Zero 0 Tolerance Behaviors - LL Please Note
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Ewan Took
Mad Hairy Scotsman
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03-15-2005 10:39
From: Vestalia Hadlee I have no list to offer; only an observation I recognized when I read this, about what the phrase "zero-tolerance" means to me. Using it literally, I think I would put on a "zero tolerance" list only those things for which there can *be* no real disagreement. Zero-tolerance implies to me no room for doubt or argument among civilized people. None.
So many of the issues which arrive here in the forums are spongy enough to promote debate, and to me -- even if I feel I have quite the reasonable and intelligent view -- the fact that a given issue can *be* debatable signals to me that it's not for a zero-tolerance list. There are several regulars in the forums who I think have the mind of a stoned tortoise, but if I were a stoned tortoise, would I not have the same view? I totally agree, but the people who participate in the behavoiur will always try to defend it! Some of the most abhorrent (to me!  ) subjects discussed on here have always had people who see the issue very differently. I'm still pretty new, but I've never seen a behaviour discussed here that everyone disagreed with. The swastika on a WWII uniform worn in game being a 'good luck' or 'nazi' symbol debate springs to mind...
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Travis Lambert
White dog, red collar
Join date: 3 Jun 2004
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03-15-2005 10:57
From: Liona Clio Okay, I have a question....What exactly constitutes 'Hoochie Hair'? Is it any hairstyle that has an attachment? I'm currently wearing a ponytail hairstyle that looks loads better than the funny looking 'dos that Appearance allows me to make.
I realize that people with 500 prims on them can slow down a server...but if you look up at the row of avis up at the top of this webpage, only one of them is not using some sort of attachment in their hairstyle. I also have a Chimera dance bubble and an Animation Override on me. Is this somehow too much? I'm kinda curious as to what people think is acceptable to attach to your person, and what's not. Hope I didn't offend, Liona  Frankly, the technical specifics of what "Hoochie Hair" is, I'm not completely clear on. But my understanding is that high-prim hair that uses certain prim types, such as toruses can cause excessive lag. I've noticed that at a small (Under 10 people) event, my framerate will drop substantially when facing an AV that is wearing very complicated hair. When I turn & face the opposite direction, my framerate goes back up again. In a busy event, with lots of AV's wearing this sort of thing, it seems to grind folks' framerate into the ground. My 'knee-jerk' solution in my head was to let me set some sort of attached-prim limit for my parcel - for example, you can't enter if you have more than 30 attached prims. If I'm understanding the problem correctly, and I want to keep lag to a minimum, I'd think that specifying an attached prim limit for busy events would help. If my logic here is flawed, by all means please correct it - no offence will be taken whatsoever - I'd rather understand than push a faulty argument  Travis
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Maeve Morgan
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03-15-2005 11:00
Wow looks like I'll never be allowed in if that gets implemented lol
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Travis Lambert
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03-15-2005 11:03
From: Maeve Morgan Wow looks like I'll never be allowed in if that gets implemented lol Maeve, considering that you wear the contents of a 4096m parcel on your head.... well...... maybe the Sinead O'Connor look will come back in Vogue  <ducks> Still love ya, Maeve 
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Catherine Omega
Geometry Ninja
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03-15-2005 11:03
It should be noted that 1.6 changes the way that attachments are rendered, giving far better framerates in crowds, yes, even with lots of attachments. So after the upgrade, hoochie hair won't be anywhere near as bad on your framerate as it is today. So there! 
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Travis Lambert
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03-15-2005 11:05
From: Catherine Omega It should be noted that 1.6 changes the way that attachments are rendered, giving far better framerates in crowds, yes, even with lots of attachments. So after the upgrade, hoochie hair won't be anywhere near as bad on your framerate as it is today. So there!  WooooHoooo! I think we have a winner! 
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Maeve Morgan
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03-15-2005 11:23
From: Travis Lambert Maeve, considering that you wear the contents of a 4096m parcel on your head.... well...... maybe the Sinead O'Connor look will come back in Vogue  <ducks> Still love ya, Maeve  *starts looking for a rolled up newspaper* My bodily prims are back down under 100 again TYVM 
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Vestalia Hadlee
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03-15-2005 11:27
From: Ewan Took I totally agree, but the people who participate in the behavoiur will always try to defend it! Some of the most abhorrent (to me!  ) subjects discussed on here have always had people who see the issue very differently. I'm still pretty new, but I've never seen a behaviour discussed here that everyone disagreed with. The swastika on a WWII uniform worn in game being a 'good luck' or 'nazi' symbol debate springs to mind... I agree with your argument and admit to holes in mine. The closest thing I can point to in my post is the dubious use of the word "civilized" in regard to things like swastikas -- but again, I haven't articulated my half-conceived point with any noticable eloquence. Mostly I'm distressed by the notion of Zero-Tolerance as such. Although it hasn't been explicitly defined in this thread -- and I wish it would be -- to me it denotes a "no discussion is needed; it's chopping block time" stance. In the local schools where I live for example, it means automatic suspension without recourse: either you did it or you didn't. Rather like the equivalent of a capital offense with summary judgement within that environment. With so many arguable axes to grind within the SL community, I fear the emergence of an ever-lengthening laundry list identifying the latest issues du jour of such "capital offences" which leave no breathing room for useful dialog or, more importantly, useful defense by people accused of them. A Zero-Tolerance list -- be it formal or informal -- can be a tool to promote a fundamental civil behavior standard for SL residents, or it can be a weapon for social engineering, depending on what is accepted on that list, and by whom.
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Oz Spade
ReadsNoPostLongerThanHand
Join date: 23 Sep 2003
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03-15-2005 11:29
- Bling (Sorry, but its an annoying and stupid effect.)
- Security Scripts that Eject/SendHome without warning, and ESPECIALY those that cause your client to be fubared.
- Add Friends and Trade Cards not being switched in the pie menu for 1.6.
- The WA being so deplorable attitude wise.
- Inconsideration and ignorance toward the Hippo propaganda.
- Lack of Mules.
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Ewan Took
Mad Hairy Scotsman
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03-15-2005 12:04
From: Oz Spade
- Lack of Mules.
Are we talking the sterile cross breed of a donkey and a horse or do you have a thing for those sexy little strapless slippers that ladies wear?
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Oz Spade
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03-15-2005 12:13
Yes.
(the anininimals)
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Lash Xevious
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03-15-2005 15:50
Only thing I don't have any tolerance for is belligerent behaviour towards trivial things. 
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Huns Valen
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03-15-2005 18:28
From: Reitsuki Kojima I partially disagree with your last statement.
If I'm at home, you come by griefing me, and I click "teleport home" on your avatar, you shouldn't get a warning. That should just happen. I have been separated from my plane too many times to sympathize with that point of view. I think a 15-second delay is the right balance between owners' rights and the right of travellers not to be harassed. I have posted about this in other threads. I think the first teleport gives a 15-second warning, then any time they come back within a day there is zero warning. If they come back more than a day later to take advantage of their 15 seconds, you send another abuse report.
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Liona Clio
Angel in Disguise
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03-16-2005 07:19
From: Travis Lambert Hope I didn't offend, Liona  Oh, phoo, Travis.  Sorry if I sounded bitchy...Must be all this zero tolerance.  I definitely can understand your frustration with Things That Make You Go Lag. The more I hear about 1.6, the more I can't wait fer it! 
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Harris Hare
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03-16-2005 10:41
It should be against sandbox policy to leave behind any item that loops sound (ie: Banana Phone, Merry Go Rounds, Yip Yips, Green Slime). If you are inconsiderate enough to leave an annoying sound object in a sandbox and then leave, you should be punished.
The Lindens already make rounds every day looking for items for sale in the sandbox... they can also check for this as well.
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Buster Peel
Spat the dummy.
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03-16-2005 10:54
From: Harris Hare If you are inconsiderate enough to leave an annoying sound object in a sandbox and then leave, you should be punished. Leave room for accidents, like getting booted off by a griefer while working on something that makes noises. Common sense dictates that there should be warnings before punishment. (And there are.)
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Merwan Marker
Booring...
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03-20-2005 09:11
Others?
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Shiryu Musashi
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03-20-2005 10:34
From: Buster Peel Common sense dictates that there should be warnings before punishment. (And there are.) Actually no, there should be investigation. A careful examination of the logs can tell what happened, if the investigation brings out a guilty result then punishment should follow. A warning just tells a griefer to be more careful not to be caught next time. Just my two cents.
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Emma Thorn
Voice of Treason
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03-20-2005 11:01
From: Chip Midnight . Beyond that we should just have zero tolerance for people with zero tolerance. Statements like that can be kinda confusing....what do you define as a "person with zero tolerance"? For example, a neo-nazi could be thought of as having zero tolerance. I despise neo-nazis and think the group should not be allowed to exist, should you have zero tolerance for me because I have zero tolerance for them? And then should someone have zero tolerance for you? 
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