Zero 0 Tolerance Behaviors - LL Please Note
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Merwan Marker
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03-14-2005 16:36
Increasingly it seems that people are becoming more fed-up with various inWorld behaviors and are asking LL to pay more attention, and in some situations, to develop policies to address some of these behaviors.
Please list those behaviors that you have, or nearly have, zero tolerance for - and if you disagree with what someone lists, please keep it both civil and on-topic.
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Jonquille Noir
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03-14-2005 16:46
The prim bombs and exploitation of the Object Return bugs. Dropping hundreds to thousands of prims on someone else's land and causing their items to be returned. This is deliberate and thought out and shouldn't be tolerated. No 3-strikes. They're messing with something we pay good money for and it should be an immediate ban.
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Zuzi Martinez
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03-14-2005 16:58
attachments that play fart sounds. that's about it.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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03-14-2005 17:26
Objects that are deliberatly designed to be undetectable when not used on your own land. Objects that are deliberatly designed to get around built in limitations or security features: Ie, objects on a persons land that they can't remove of their own accord. Exploitation builds: Giant spinning partical spewing signs on 16 meter squares of land, mostly. Any RL threats issued in SL. Any, and I mean ANY deliberate action to destroy anothers work. This includes exploiting the return-order bug, taking advantage of land accidently left on edit, etc. Push scripts and guns deliberatly designed so powerful that no amount of anti-push technology can circumvent. Mostly because these are also powerful enough to ghost your avatar. Any script that knowingly forces a client to crash or disconnect. Deliberatly crashing sims for hostile reasons. (There are a couple of quasi-legit reasons to deliberatly crash a sim that aren't hostile... To try to get off sim1, for example  It's definetly not a good thing to do, though) Covertly monitoring anyone. This includes hidden listening scripts and the assorted "spy" services.
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Siggy Romulus
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03-14-2005 18:29
Dirty Sanchez animations.
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Zeppi Schlegel
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03-14-2005 19:12
Schwanson.
'Nuf said.
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Hiro Pendragon
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03-14-2005 21:05
Anything that's a RL felony.
Knowing theft of anything, be it account password or using permission exploitations.(unless accidental)
Fraud.
RL threats.
Unsolicited spam of multiple users.
Outing of RL information of another player. (name, address, phone number, photograph, SS#, or anything else that would enable someone to identify someone)
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Vestalia Hadlee
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03-14-2005 21:07
From: Merwan Marker Please list those behaviors that you have, or nearly have, zero tolerance for - and if you disagree with what someone lists, please keep.... I have no list to offer; only an observation I recognized when I read this, about what the phrase "zero-tolerance" means to me. Using it literally, I think I would put on a "zero tolerance" list only those things for which there can *be* no real disagreement. Zero-tolerance implies to me no room for doubt or argument among civilized people. None. So many of the issues which arrive here in the forums are spongy enough to promote debate, and to me -- even if I feel I have quite the reasonable and intelligent view -- the fact that a given issue can *be* debatable signals to me that it's not for a zero-tolerance list. There are several regulars in the forums who I think have the mind of a stoned tortoise, but if I were a stoned tortoise, would I not have the same view?
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Chip Midnight
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03-14-2005 21:38
The only thing I can truly think of that deserves a zero tolerance policy are threats made by someone to do real life harm to someone else. Beyond that we should just have zero tolerance for people with zero tolerance.
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Hiro Pendragon
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03-14-2005 21:42
From: Chip Midnight The only thing I can truly think of that deserves a zero tolerance policy are threats made by someone to do real life harm to someone else. Beyond that we should just have zero tolerance for people with zero tolerance. I have 0 tolerance to you having 0 tolerance to people having... ... oh, nevermind. LOL!! 
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Chip Midnight
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03-14-2005 21:57
Oh yeah?! Well I have zero tolerance for your zero tolerance of my *head explodes*
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Hiro Pendragon
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03-14-2005 22:13
From: Chip Midnight Oh yeah?! Well I have zero tolerance for your zero tolerance of my *head explodes* As Strong Bad says: 
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Talen Morgan
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03-15-2005 04:27
From: Siggy Romulus Dirty Sanchez animations. 
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Huns Valen
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03-15-2005 04:48
If I'm sitting on something I own (like an airplane) and I am llEjectFromLand()ed, I need to not be unsat and my plane needs to be moved with me still attached to it. That means llUnsit() needs to not work on me if I'm sitting on something I own.
llEjectFromLand() needs to be more genteel. It should not force anyone to relog, ever.
No person or script on the mainland should be able to teleport me home without warning, for any reason. I should get a warning to leave the parcel, as with land access controls.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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03-15-2005 04:52
From: Huns Valen If I'm sitting on something I own (like an airplane) and I am llEjectFromLand()ed, I need to not be unsat and my plane needs to be moved with me still attached to it. That means llUnsit() needs to not work on me if I'm sitting on something I own.
llEjectFromLand() needs to be more genteel. It should not force anyone to relog, ever.
No person or script on the mainland should be able to teleport me home without warning, for any reason. I should get a warning to leave the parcel, as with land access controls. I partially disagree with your last statement. If I'm at home, you come by griefing me, and I click "teleport home" on your avatar, you shouldn't get a warning. That should just happen.
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Shiryu Musashi
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03-15-2005 06:49
Lbv2
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David Valentino
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03-15-2005 07:27
From: Jonquille Noir The prim bombs and exploitation of the Object Return bugs. Dropping hundreds to thousands of prims on someone else's land and causing their items to be returned. This is deliberate and thought out and shouldn't be tolerated. No 3-strikes. They're messing with something we pay good money for and it should be an immediate ban. I agree. Prim stacking/bombing that is very obviously intentional. Also, any threats of RL harm against another. Racist or hate speech behavior should get one warning, and then perma-suspension if it continues.
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eltee Statosky
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03-15-2005 07:40
i would have to say push objects... because its so stupid and senseless that LL doesn't give us an option either on our land or for our agent, to simply ignore it.
Its the #1 'griefer' method, and has been for at least 2 years now.. and LL does nothing when a simple checkbox and a few lines of code would basically completely eliminate the problem.
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Travis Lambert
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03-15-2005 08:05
From: eltee Statosky i would have to say push objects... because its so stupid and senseless that LL doesn't give us an option either on our land or for our agent, to simply ignore it.
Its the #1 'griefer' method, and has been for at least 2 years now.. and LL does nothing when a simple checkbox and a few lines of code would basically completely eliminate the problem. Push scripts..... my god, this one is a biggie for me. There *are* places in SL (like the Shelter) where there is absolutely, positively, no reason to have them enabled. Most push scripts I encounter today don't even invoke the "report abuse" dialog, so using regular reporting mechanisms are pretty ineffective, unless you can catch someone directly in the act. Aside from that, other big annoyances on my list are: --Calling Card/Teleport Spam --The "Shout from the edge of the parcel" griefing method --Ability to "slide" objects onto a parcel you've been banned from --Griefing SoundFX (of both the attachment & standalone flavor) --Ability to creatively attach prims to one's AV to circumvent the land-ban height restriction I also have zero tolerance for Hoochie Hair  , but I can probably only dream about some sort of parcel restriction for attachment prim count anytime soon. Travis
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Liona Clio
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03-15-2005 08:24
From: Travis Lambert I also have zero tolerance for Hoochie Hair  , but I can probably only dream about some sort of parcel restriction for attachment prim count anytime soon. Okay, I have a question....What exactly constitutes 'Hoochie Hair'? Is it any hairstyle that has an attachment? I'm currently wearing a ponytail hairstyle that looks loads better than the funny looking 'dos that Appearance allows me to make. I realize that people with 500 prims on them can slow down a server...but if you look up at the row of avis up at the top of this webpage, only one of them is not using some sort of attachment in their hairstyle. I also have a Chimera dance bubble and an Animation Override on me. Is this somehow too much? I'm kinda curious as to what people think is acceptable to attach to your person, and what's not.
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Pituca FairChang
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03-15-2005 08:31
From: Chip Midnight The only thing I can truly think of that deserves a zero tolerance policy are threats made by someone to do real life harm to someone else. Beyond that we should just have zero tolerance for people with zero tolerance. Here I go agreeing with Chip again!
However my tolerance for the Banana Phone is real low 
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katykiwi Moonflower
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03-15-2005 08:43
The concept of zero tolerance alarms me. As a prosecutor, and even with criminal defense work in private practice, I have seen the blind justice of zero tolerance run seriously amok.
A level of scrutiny rising to heightened awarness and enforcement would be much better than one allowing no room for explanation and consideration of intent.
Having said that, the 3 areas I see that really need greater attention are:
Use of others land without permission in order to spy (listen, land scanners etc.)
The push aspect of security scripts that push you into the beyond, sometimes requiring a relog.
Prim rezzing to limitation on land not your own, causing the build to be returned.
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Schwanson Schlegel
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03-15-2005 08:50
From: Zeppi Schlegel Schwanson.
'Nuf said.
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Chip Midnight
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03-15-2005 10:07
From: Pituca Chang Here I go agreeing with Chip again!
However my tolerance for the Banana Phone is real low hehe, I almost included the badger song in my list 
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Jsecure Hanks
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03-15-2005 10:25
From: Zeppi Schlegel Schwanson.
'Nuf said.
Uncle Zep What is the argument between Zeppi Schlegel of GOM and Schwanson Schlegel?
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