Are we friendly? Are we snobs? Or both?

now siggy, you know you're always perfectly civil.

LOL Eins.

We be "Ryen's bitches"... or his cyber-homiez... or wut?!

Good Thread.........

"Are we friendly? Are we snobs? Or both?"

We are both AND more to boot. Bottom line is that we are human beings, and history (even game history) has proven that all of us are capable of anything. We can be as nice as we can be mean. Do Clicks an Snobs exist in SL (as well as other games)? Of course they do but that is not ALL there is to the game (as well as life). To what extent is anyones guess an opinion, an to me it really don't matter all that much. The good will hook up with the good and the bad will do the same......

Can newbies be shy and/or be intimidated by the people of the game an the size of SL itself? Yes they can..... I myself was extreamly shy during my first 3-4 days playing SL and only explored and did not meet anyone really. Fortunatly one lovely lady broke down my shyness and walls a bit and showed me the wonders of SL and taught me a lot about the game and the people.

It all comes down to individuals and groups of people. Everyone is differant no more so than SL. A old teacher and friend in school a LONG time ago said this: "A "person" is good but "people" suck!" If you want proof just look at the world today.... Very messed up due to us human beings..... So by comparison, to me SL is just fine and dandy......... After all, in life and in SL, one has to take "the good with the bad and the ugly" and we ALL make the world go around........

Reminds me of a song lyric from a Mary Poppins(!)..

"Although we adore men individually,
We think, as a group, they're rather stupid..."

I am a nice person, Aestival. I usually go to Ahern and meet new people and give them free stuff and tell them about the clubs and try to answer all their questions or find answers for them. I will exchange cards with them and tell them never to hesitate to call for help. In RL, I participate in charities, when i am not on SL. hehe Just a happy person!

I like everyone in SL. Most people are nice and friendly to me. I dont have any clue whatever I write in the forum it will feed back with baby in the box comments

I wish I could speak better english but thats why I am playing SL.
So please be patient with me!

*Hugs*

hmm..reminds me of a Thread just recently.

I always look forward to meeting new people and chatting, and attempt to be as helpful and informative to those new to SL as possible. I generally don't like bothering people, so I don't land and chat very often, unless invited to, however I'm not intimidated by anyone, and will treat everyone in the same, hopefully friendly, fashion unless given a reason not to.

I don't have a "group" I hang out with, being mnore of a loner, but I have a few friends that I respect greatly, and many people tat I chat with from time to time.

And yes, there are certainly folks in SL that act snobbish, or come across that way, and I find it very amusing and treat them the same way they treat me or others, which usually means passing on by without a word.

No you lack in "meanness" skills! When your not the sort of person who snubs others, it's hard to get it when your being snubbed. I think that's a plus not a lack Merwan.

Everyone that I have met in SL has been nice to me - even when I've comitted the most egregious of newbie sins.

I've noticed one quirk in SL that could be mistaken for snobishness. Say you're a new person and approach a large crowd. You walk up to Avitar X- perhaps someone you've met before- and say hi. And they don't answer.
It seems like you're getting snubbed, but you're not. If it's a big group, Avitar X is probably already engaged in a conversation with a bunch of other people and busy reading the incomming chat. You may be right in front of him (or her), but she could be zoomed in somewhere else and not realize your proximity. If you didn't address her by name, she may not even realize your "hi there" or whatever was directed towards her. I wonder how many inexplicable neg rates were actually the result of misunderstandings like this?

I agree and I even think this happened to me last night when I was sitting playing prim attack. I was sort of focused on the game and there was a lot of chatter and I did not even realize that someone was speaking with me until they IM'd me.

I think that it might be a good idea for instructiors of the SL basics classes to mention this to new people so that they do not feel they have been ignored or snubbed.

Ya know what the sad part is though? I agree....... An I'm a guy to boot......... LOL

And Andie hun..... HUGGERS we love ya too hun............

thank you!

A very interesting thread.. especially from a curmudgeon's perspective.

People often confuse the avatar me with the forum me. I have repeatedly heard something to the effect of "Are you really the a**hole from the forums? You don't act like it in world...surprise surprise!" That could easily be a reflection of "expectation" and projection rather than dealing with the reality of the "avatar presented" in world.

In the real world, I am quite often seen as someone who is fairly self-confident - often misconstrued as arrogant. In the forums, I have no problem with being seen as a true curmudgeon. As an avatar, Korg is something quite different - especially considering his "roots" are actually as a characer on a different MMORG as an orc! Personally, I think he is approachable and not smug or snobbish at all... but has been accused of it.

I have been involved in a few conversations with noobies who have commented on "oldbies" referring to them as "noobs" in front of them. This seems to engender a feeling of inferioirty on the part of a noobie - which in turn can be reversed and interpreted as the olbie being snobbish. Personally, I rarely use the term noob outside the forums. It just strikes me as a negative.

The one other thing where I have been called a bit of a snob, myself, has to do with when I am engaged in building. Unfortunately, as with having multiple open IM windows, my focus is not on the surrounding area, but on what I am building. It also happens that when I am "in th eflow", I probably tend to be a bit less wordy than I am right now... and thus, probably earn myself a somewhat justiified label of "snob" or at least "brusque". Certainly that is not my intent - rather I am preoccupied - yet I can understand the appellation if it ges applied.

So, am I a snob? Not to me. Others might think it of me - but I tend to laugh about such things knowing how little I know and how few people I really do closely associate with.

I totally understand. I've had my windows cluttered with scripts and notes and was oblivious to anyone saying hi till I checked my chat window. I've toyed with animations and props where my av would appear more occupied (for example, writing at a desk when scripting) or having swirling stars (or a cloud) over my head when I'm preocupied, but I fear these may inadvertantly attract more attention (which would result in me accidentally "ignoring" more people)

Also, if I see an av playing with prims I'll usually just wave or say "hi" and leave it at that. If the av sees me and feels like chatting, he can. If not, there's no awkwardness or hurt feelings.

You're all snobs. Every last one of you high-brow stone-mason fancy-pants snotty little SLers. Can't get enough of hearing yourself talk about "metaverses," and "whosits."

pfft.

If I ever found a more amiable and quirky group, I don't think it'd be nearly as fun as all of you are.

Shoots Icon in the foot with a 2ft rubber band now on to business...Hmmm so Cornelious Bach is oneof Ryen's B'ches, Hmmmmm now that one Im gonna have to think about...

Im never snobbish, ever, ok maybe I am when I get Demanded of stuff but thats not snobbery thats Defensive Take down 101.

Rules of thumb to live by.
#1 Typing never coveys true thought so try to understand and question without offense.

#2 if they fuck you over dont give them the satisfaction of doing it back to them its more fun to watch em anticipate.

#3 A Noob is a Noob is a Noob is a Noob...if they joined 5 mins after I did they are a Newb to me..hehe.

#4 If I have busy on I probably wont see you as I have a screen full of either textures/Ims/scripts or I went to take a piss. So dont take it personal.

#5 If I log when you approach yes I am running away on purpose its the nature of Hermits. Ok just kidding on that but typically its cause I already hit the quit button and its too late to stop.

#6 Approach me with decency and you will get it in return 10 fold. But dont ask impossible requests as that may get your feelings hurt but not on purpose.

That sums it up I think...

Shadow

It, of course, works both ways. Several times while trying to build projects for friends in the Island Sandbox, I was accosted by rude newbies who proceeded to insist to talk to me and cyberbeg for money, all while my (BUSY) sign was up and AFTER I had firmly but politely explained that I couldn't talk right now.

Something a number of the respected oldbies have brought up to me, is that there are troublemaking -- most likely minors IRL -- avs inworld, who think that other players are NPC AIs or something. They forget -- or meh, neglected to read the documentation -- to consider that we are just as human as they are. We don't owe them the world but I personally owe a lot of respect and gratitude to everyone who has helped me out here, and there are a LOT of you.

Thank you Rose.

Life's too short to snub and get snubed.

I'm sure i sometimes seem stand off-ish when im standing around not talking, trying to catch up with IM's. I seldom remember to use the BUSY thingy.

someone reads fark....

anyway, while i don't feel that people are particularly snobby in SL, i found myself at a trivia game last week where most people were members of a group, and that group had an imprompteu unveiling of a gift for that group's founders, which left like.. the four people there who weren't in the group completely out of the loop for a half hour. I mean, how does one get into some of these groups anyway? They all seem to be hanging out together at mysterious times and places... perhaps I should start a group of my own...

we need a weekly social circle... like a meet and greet...
but it's so hard to get to know people on a type basis anyway...

I'm generally socially awkward and socially dumb, both in RL and SL.

I very rarely start a conversation, but I like socializing if someone else is leading the chat. I think probably 90% of my friends in SL are people who initiated a conversation with me first. Although it seems awkward to just stand there while nobody's talking and not say anything, I feel even more awkward trying to come up with something to say, and not wanting to intrude upon someone else if they're busy in IMs or something.

Unfortunately, being a passive conversationalist probably causes me to appear as though I am unsocialable or that I don't want to talk with just anyone. I love talking to everybody, it's just that I'm a bit shy and easily intimidated, sometimes even by new residents.

I just hope I come off as more friendly-like than snob-like... I always feel really bad when someone later tells me they didn't talk to me before, because they thought I was someone who is unapproachable or something equally silly. =)

I think I often get into a deadlock with other people where we don't talk because we're both intimidated of each other or both of us are passive conversationalists. This seems to happen in the welcome area a lot, where there are a half dozen to a dozen people there and nobody is talking.

Heck, I think I even get deadlocked with some of my best friends in SL sometimes. I don't want to bother them, they may be busy, or if I see them chatting with people I don't want to interrupt, etc. Sometimes when I do get into a conversation I feel like I might be holding them when they've got something else they want to go do.

This often causes me to feel kinda lonely in SL. I want to socialize, but I don't want to be a bother to anyone. It's a bit of a dilemma.

Anyway, please feel free to chat with me if you see me online and are bored. I'm always glad to talk, I'm just kinda shy at first =)

-- Kex

I have a shortlist of people who I am comfortable with "bothering" me. You're on that list!

Hm.

Basically ditto everything Kex said for me.

Wierd...

~Lianne

This could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship... unless you're good friends already!