Do you believe in UFO's and Ghosts?

*nearly chokes on his Dr. Pepper when he sees your new forum AV icon*

Remember, I.Q. is a normalized test - intelligence measured relative to the population in question.

Perhaps I should have said "sentient" instead

All this rhetoric about a UFO is anything that flys that isn't identified. OH COME ON PEOPLE YOU KNOW WHAT THE HELL I MEAN!

No, Blake. We're not psychic.

We can ASSUME that you mean 'craft not of this world with little green men in' but then it's you that's in the wrong, since as pointed out, UFO simply means anything that flies and isnt identified.

It'd prolly have been better to say 'do you believe in aliens'. but as someone already pointed out, why the hell are you lumping them in with ghosts? makes no sense.

oh ok..let keep it simple then..You do believe in anything that flys that isn't identified

Yes. This little winged beast buzzed past me at speed only yesterday and I said 'what the fuck was THAT?!' as I ducked. I never did identify it.

If I would have said Aliens..then someone would ask..What kind of Aliens? Illegal Aliens? yada yada yada yada...

Then say Extraterrestrials. Or Alien Biological Entities. Then there would be no confusion.

And the answer would still be 'yes'. How arrogant would you have to be to assume that this planet has the only life in the universe?

(apologies to all you arrogant non believers )

Well..God could be one of these entities..alot of people have a problem believing in that..lol.

That has nothing to do with the probability of other life in the universe.

The probability that life exists off of earth? prolly pretty high

The probability that one of 'em is the guy who created the whole shebang? prolly not.

Assuming your 'God' is the conventional bullshit creationist theory type.

Oops. Did I say bullshit?

Apologies, all you arrogant believers

I believe in miracles... Ooooo you sexy thang....

I believe that this universe has alot more to it then meets the eye. I dont know if its aliens or ghosts or either, but there's definetly alot more going on then we know about.

You try to explain radio waves to someone from the 16th century, and electricity to a caveman.

The technology of today is yesturday's magic. And its not just laws of physics that we can use: Its also new forms of life (high-pressure underwater creatures that in the old days would have probebly be concidered to be impossible demons), new materials, new methods of thought.

So who are we to say if ghosts and aliens exist, when we are still stuck at the same phase of existance and the same planet without the option to properly travel or peek?

I say Yes - I do not really know if they're there, but I definetly believe in the possibility.

Ok.

1. Yes, I do believe there are extra-terrestrial beings. I think that if our theories about the formation of life is correct, then I would expect there to be millions of species, probably a proportion of them more intelligent than us.

2. Do I believe they will ever visit the earth? No, I don't. People who do, just don't realise how big the universe is, and how many stars it contains.

Imagine that a thousand grains of sand were dumped at random in a desert. Imagine also that on average it would take a thousand years to examine one grain. That would represent the situation if we were to examine those stars nearest to us. There wouldn't be enough time in the world for you to examine a large enough number of grains to find one of the ones you were seeking.

Even if we were to contact a civilisation on our doorstep, and received a radio message from them we could understand, it might take 15,000 years for our reply to get back to them, and another 15,000 for us to receive their response.

People who believe in aliens whizzing around in our stratosphere should try to learn something about the universe we live in. That would satisfy their need for awe and amazement without them having to believe childish nonsense.

The chances of another race of beings inhabiting one or more planets in the universe is very very very good. Hell..just in the Milky Way galaxy alone the chances are good, and this galaxy is just one in billions. To think we are the only intelligent race to ever evolve is a bit..well..silly. And considering the fact that other races could have had a heck of a longer time to evolve than us (what would have happened if the dinosaurs didn't become extinct), then the possibilities of them being advanced enough for space travel of incredible distances is not all that unreasonable. In fact, who's to say that if we were able to utilize the full potential of our minds and/or spirits, that we couldn't just instantaniously teleport our matter across the universe by an act of will.

Besides..I've met Taggy and been to her ship, so I've seen the proof.

As to ghosts or spirits. There is stunning evidence that there are entities that have no, or different, physical bodies than us. There have been communications that are very difficult to explain (of course, I'm prejudice, since my two uncles were involved in some of the earliest and still most profound tape-voice phenomenon research).

If I think about it logically, I can't see how our minds and personalities would continue after our brain dies, since someones whole personality can change do to brain injury, and thier memories can be lost for the same reason. But I have heard intelligent and familiar voices come over a tape that sat recording silence for several minutes. Voices that knew things about me, my family and our environment. So it's hard for me to refute.

Sure, they may be something else other than dead people, but something is speaking, and something is being seen or felt occasionally. There are so many things that we have yet to discover and explore.

I certainly have no problems entertaining the thought that other entities could inhabit a different plane of exisitance than us. An astral or etheral plane, with different physical laws, or even purely energy based.

This is a good issue of debate as well..I actually met a woman when I was selling Life Insurance..she told me that she died in the Operating Room in a Hospital..she saw the light..went through the tunnel..at the end..previous family that had died were there to greet her..they told her it is not yet her time and she went back into her body. Of course Scientist have refuted these experiences as a chemical reaction that goes through the brain at death. Anything can be refuted or debated. Interesting though.

Ooops. Wrong thread.

Were your uncles involved with Spiricom? Fascinating! I experiment with EVP myself and I've personally gotten very convincing results. I'm one of those "I'll believe it when I see it" skeptics, so I tried it for myself and now I'm definitely a believer.

Exactly. This is why I say it's highly unlikely. It all hinges on whether or not faster than light travel is possible. We don't know enough yet to authoritatively say one way or the other. We also can't detect planets well enough yet to have an idea of how rare or common solar systems like our own are. We're very lucky that we have two gas giants in orbits far from the sun that deflect asteroids. If that were not the case, the Earth would be subjected to much more frequent cataclysms that would have prevented life from having a long enough period to evolve intelligence.

My uncles are mentioned on many of the Tape-voice websites. Their research took place in the mid 70's through early 80's. At one point they had a Scientist from Russia live with them for 1 years time. He was a great guy and the perfect stereotype of the befuddled professor. Thier transcripts from this time are incredible, and I was lucky enough to sit in on many sessions and experiments. I also did some research and experiments on my own, though I never trained my ears good enough, or had good enough equipment, to be very sure of my transcriptions. But I have heard very fascinating things. My father was also very involved for a few years. But this type of research/communication is incredibly draining, and very few have lasted at it even as long as my uncles.

I have hopes to write a book featuring my uncles transcripts at some point. I've read them all several times and am amazed, and somewhat drained and saddened, by them. I always walk away with the near-belief that the after-life, if such exsists, still involves a certain amount of "work", struggle, advancement, emotions and even confrontations. And the fact that you take many of your problems (emotional) with you when you move on.

Still can't dive into the full belief wholeheartedly because I am skeptical by nature. But what I've learned through these voices makes more sense than anything else I've heard.

Good points, Chip and Seladoor.
You'd be shocked at how ignorant some adults are about the universe. When I was in college, the topic of astronomy came up with a fellow student and she asked me, could an astronaut touch a star? Turned out she didn't know what a star was, or that the sun happened to be one! She seemed to think stars were little lights up in the sky that an astronaut could pocket if s/he wanted too. Amazing.

LOL! That's pretty bad. I'm addicted to the Science Channel and hard science fiction novels, and my SETI screensaver crunches data most nights

Sowwy, that was me.

I don't know about ghosts. Then again, at times I could swear I hear my late mother calling me at night, but its probably just me dreaming.

On the other hand, I believe that any sentient extraterrestrial life that can make its way to Earth is probably smart enough to stay the hell away from us. We fight too much, kill each other in wars 24/7 and we invented "reality" television. Earth is the Milky Way's bad neighborhood.

People see UFO's daily I'd imagine.

Ghost, on the other hand, I dont know... Throughout my life I've come across and seen a few *things* that I can't really explain.

LOL - Blake, I wish you wouldn't always take a binary approach to these polls! A lot of ppl are probably "on the fence" regarding topics of this nature.

Not only is it our separation in space that makes visitations to Earth by extraterrestrials unlikely, but also our separation in time.

After all, the Universe is what, ~13 billion years old, while the sum total of human existance maybe reaches back two or three hundred thousand years (or ~0.002% of the history of the Universe), and our 'technological history' in which we're capable of even looking for extraterrestrial civilizations is ~0.02% of that.

Looking at it that way, entire civilizations could have come and went, many times, long before our Sun and its attendant solar system were even born.

Another weird thing is, as our technological sophistication increases and we build things more efficiently, we 'leak' fewer and fewer detectable signals into space. If we reasonably assume other technological civilizations develop similarly, all of the 'super-advanced' cultures out there should be practically undetectable.