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Reasons why L$ doesn't belong on the teen grid

blaze Spinnaker
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12-18-2004 16:23
a) teenagers have enough to worry about.. dealing with money that can be traded on exchanges is not one of them. Introduce them to an economy yes, but not a real one

c) it creates a financial incentives for adults to go onto the teen grid or to try to give their teenager a 'financial leg up' on the teen grid. adults on the teen grid for reasons other than spending time with their teenagers are a Bad Idea.

b) it could potentially mess with the real economy, or it could cause of lot of people to imagine it's messing with the real economy which is just as bad

d) l$ only on the real grid creates more incentive for 18 years to want to upgrade, thus making it less 'bitter' and more 'sweet' to move

e) other reasons .. ?


How about reasons why L$ should be on the teen grid?

a) Creates an oportunity for teenagers to participate in a real economy

b) Lets the adult grid sell into the teenager grid and make more money

c) Generally expands the GDP of the economy

d) othe reasons .. ?
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Hank Ramos
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12-18-2004 16:37
One big problem is that if you don't have a child in your home (or a minor friend), then you will miss out on capitalizing the other half of the SL economy. Your only choice would be to lie, and sneak into the Teen grid as an adult, risking your ability to exist in SL since you would be perma-banned if LL found out about it.

Basically, those SLers with children will be able to capitalize on the Teen Economy. The rest of us will either have to miss out on that segment of the economy, or be forced to become criminals in the minds of LL.
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Adam Zaius
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12-18-2004 16:40
I'm going to disagree and support the economy. Kids these days are damn fools when it comes to money, at the very least it can offer some experience on why/how people become complete tards fairly often when money is involved.

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Shiryu Musashi
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12-18-2004 16:43
As far as i know, Hank, Linden Labs is studying ways to let us sell pur products on the teen grid without actually entering it and having any contacts with the teen grid population.
Inport/export, lol. :)
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12-18-2004 16:46
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Chip Midnight
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12-18-2004 16:47
I sure could have used some practice in business and money management as a teen. Maybe I'd have made less moronic decisions as an adult :eek:
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Sensual Casanova
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12-18-2004 18:09
If there is no value for things on the teen grid, and no L$ .... when they turn 18 and go to the main grid, they will have nothing for all thier efforts and work they did on the teen grid... wouldn't be fair if they didn't.
blaze Spinnaker
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12-18-2004 18:12
Well, I think a currency is important on the teen grid. I just think it should be against the TOS to trade it, like in Everquest or something.

Also, perhaps they could sell for real l$ *into* the adult grid. So, we could buy their goods, but they can't sell for real l$ into the teen grid.

The point being - what keeps adult avatar Evil LandBaron from logging into the teen grid and going to town?

Not only is there an incentive to do so (l$ being freely given out by LL which is worth money), it also attracts adults into the teen grid, which I think is not a wise move.
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Aaron Levy
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12-18-2004 18:34
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If there is no value for things on the teen grid, and no L$ .... when they turn 18 and go to the main grid, they will have nothing for all thier efforts and work they did on the teen grid... wouldn't be fair if they didn't.


Sure they would -- they'd have a couple of years to perfect their products on the teen grid, then when they "graduated" to the main grid, they'd hit the market running, with tweaked, tested-to-death products.
Rickard Roentgen
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12-18-2004 18:38
lol how the heck would you keep the L from being sold in the teen grid?
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blaze Spinnaker
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12-18-2004 18:42
Heh heh. Dude, your signature had me totally confused there!

You can't keep a currency from being sold.

However, it's not hard to track who's doing it and tell them they are tempting a ban by doing it. Obviously, a grey market will always exist but it will be a very very grey market.

Obviously, anyone who is trading must be an adult, because Paypal or whoever will never work with anyone under 18.
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Adam Zaius
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12-18-2004 19:27
From: blaze Spinnaker
Obviously, anyone who is trading must be an adult, because Paypal or whoever will never work with anyone under 18.


Dont be too sure on that. Consider the following.

1) Kid uses parents CC.
2) Kid has CC linked to parents.

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blaze Spinnaker
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12-18-2004 19:30
Oh, absolutely, I certainly won't argue with that.

Howver, it is against PayPal TOS for anyone other than the registered user to be making transactions.
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"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Aaron Levy
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12-18-2004 20:30
From: blaze Spinnaker
Oh, absolutely, I certainly won't argue with that.

Howver, it is against PayPal TOS for anyone other than the registered user to be making transactions.


And that alone is why the kid grid should have a different currency that would not be PUBLICLY traded anywhere... yeah a black market might surface, but it's easily dealt with.
Rickard Roentgen
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12-18-2004 20:36
lol, I had a debit card in highschool. Actually, might just have been a checkbook, can't remember, but they both work for paypal.
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Adam Zaius
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12-18-2004 20:46
From: Rickard Roentgen
lol, I had a debit card in highschool. Actually, might just have been a checkbook, can't remember, but they both work for paypal.


Should be perfectly legit to debit into those accounts from a paypal account.

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Adam Zaius
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12-18-2004 20:50
Btw, I think a better phrasing of this topic would be keeping US$ out of the teen grid. :)

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Lance LeFay
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12-19-2004 15:15
Why should LL deprive teens of the opportunity to make USD through SL, like we have?
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12-19-2004 15:58
This may have been covered but ...

If adults are not allowed to have accounts on the teen grid, how are they going to be able to buy L$? From other teens?

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Hank Ramos
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12-19-2004 16:01
If adults have children in SL, then they have the advantage over the rest of us in SL.
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Lance LeFay
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12-19-2004 16:05
From: Hank Ramos
If adults have children in SL, then they have the advantage over the rest of us in SL.



How so?
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Adam Zaius
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12-19-2004 16:09
From: Lance LeFay
How so?


'Trading on behalf of...'
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Hank Ramos
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12-19-2004 16:10
If you have a child that plays SL, they can be in the Teen grid. They can help you to transfer creations/scrpts/textures/etc and capitalize upon the Teen grid.

If you don't have a child, you have to sneak into the Teen grid. Which would make you a criminal and subject to permanent banning from both grids in SL by LL.

Since both systems use the same L$, the Teen grid wil be ripe for exploitation by those who...

1. Have children that can be used to take advantage of the Teen grid
2. Lie and enter the Teen grid as adults in RL

So to become successful in SL, you need to either...
1. Have children.
2. Become a criminal.
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Lance LeFay
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12-19-2004 16:12
Didn't LL say they were working on ways for content to be traded and sold between the grids?
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12-19-2004 16:15
From: Lance LeFay
Didn't LL say they were working on ways for content to be traded and sold between the grids?


Yep, but the barrier between the two grids will hamper trade, and make it easier for the L$ to flow in one direction, causing inflation in one grid and deflation in another.

Also, if we can sell to the teen grid (and nice-versa), how do we support our products? How would I give upgrades, replacements, or just plain help? I guess I'll have to hire a teen sales rep.
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