Theres always one in a crowd..or two..or three

Do events on your land and you can ban trouble makers.

Beyond that any number of scripters could whip you up a targetable anti-griefer I'm sure

I for one would like to see the names of those who disrupt events posted in the forums so I know who to avoid.

As far as technical solutions, maybe just a vote-kick during an event? Someone comes in, disrupts the place. Everyone reports abuse, but whoops... no Lindens online. So while it will eventually be taken care of, there's nothing that can be done until then. Don't want to give a single person all the power, since they'll have the ability to kick/ban anyone that they just don't happen to like. But if the event planner (or perhaps anyone present) reports abuse on someone present, maybe allow all nearby to vote on whether or not they're kicked/banned from the area until the event is over. Set limits, of course, to avoid spamination. Something like, each player can only call one vote per minute, and the voting can be opted out of (or something).

In any case, the easy solution that can be implemented right now is (as previously mentioned) to just make a griefer-kicking script.

Just tossing out ideas, not sure of my opinion on them yet. Oh, and definately return objects to owners if they're on the ban list.

I vote Iron.

Mentors are inworld users, just like the noobs they are supposed to be mentoring. I think that's very much part of why it works. And in no way should any inworld user have more powers than another. Its just a bad idea.

As for griefers at stage 4, call a liaison, mute them, rate them neg.. there are options. We all know tho with these options they still grief. There probs wont ever be a way around this.

You do have to remember they are buttonpushers, and often times we let them push. And that is exactly what they are looking to do. Don't let them. If they are very much an interruption, call a liaison. Especially at Stage 4. This is probs an important thing for noobs to see, first, its the correct way to handle it, and second that their rights as users are protected by LL.


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Not according to Linden...

Talking to griefers most of the time or anyone who disrupts events most of all at stage 4 does not work.

I remember not to long ago a well know griefer was informed to leave didn't work. neg rated him.. so what they are a griefer with a trial account.. we even had people flying around attackign them back.

Called a linden.. linden got called names and the firebombing began ... only after the sim crashed cause of them were they banned from the game. (They came back again as a different Account 2 days later)

And on your own land you cannot stop them only out to the ban limit area. So really not much you can do.

True griefers don't care what happens to them.

Guess its all part of second life.

Removing physics... that's a good one!
The Lindens say that it's not their job to remove griefers!... that's another good one! Damn you gusy crack me up!

Ok i'll be blunt! (I always am on the forums!) Do you know WHY they like to grief the same ppl over and over? (the regulars that get bombed, shot... whatever) Because you guys make a HUGE FUSS ABOUT IT! You also don't ask them to please stop... no you just BAN them, act like king shit because it's "YOUR" land. Or start yellin like a at them, do you really think that will make them stop?!

I've seen grief fests, and what do I do? Well I just pull up a cube sit back, laugh and watch the fun!

What do I do when someone is gonna step out of line... Well I IM then asking them to settle down, or I tell them that there is an FFA sim. Most of the time they just say sorry and the event keeps going. Why does it work for me? I have no idea, maybe it's because I don't act like i'm better then them. Or I don't impose stupid rules, act paranoid when I see a GUN! WHO CARES IF THEY HAVE WEAPONS!!! I have weapons that can SKY A WHOLE SIM; on me ALL THE TIME! Do they ask me to remove my wepaons? Well no, why, because they don't know about them. (ok that was a tangent!)

Anyways the moral of the story is that A) Respect is everything. B) Don't be anal at the first sign of a "weapon" C) (well this one is for me) I think they know I can make their life a living hell in SL so they don't bother! D) be curtious!

Anyways that's it for me, I just dumped gas in the fire and i'm gonna watch it burn! Night everybody!

That is exactly what they want and feed upon.

But what good does neg rating someone who knows they will be neg rated and doesnt give a flyin' *F*? Again, giving them what they want, a reaction. The best solution is for ALL to ignore them and call a Linden. What I dont get, is why the same ppl keep getting away with it after being removed from from events already that same week? Isn't some sort of temporary ban on attending events EVENTUALLY in order for repeat event greifers? What does it take? Personally after multiple incidents if it was up to me, they would be gone. Plain and Simple.

P.S., The greifers that were at Misty's event and at the Writer's Circle event
I attended were the same ppl, well known I might add. I also heard they greifed other events recently. Go figure, big surprise. I guess greifers are valuable enough that they will be let continue in lieu of the fact they are disrupting (repeatedly) ppl who are ADDING content to that game for others to enjoy.

You know what would be cool? A griefing event. A contest. Griefers come and grief, and the audience votes on the most original, most annoying, funniest, lamest, etc. The griefers get up on stage for the voting and applause.

In fact, when griefers descend upon your event, stop the event, announce that there is an impromptu special display in progress, and encourage the audience to applaud, whistle, clap, etc. Make the griefing part of your event, incorporate it into your event.

Think of fire bombs as fireworks displays -- "Oooohhhh how pretty! Oooohhhh Aaaaaahhhh! Yay! Clap clap clap."

And be sure to thank the griefers for the extra dwell.

Oh you can even ask the griefer to take over hosting for you. You go get yourself a beer, sit back, relax, and STILL collect your fee at the end.

The possibilities are endless. Griefing classes. Cover most disruptive, how to crash a sim, anti push/bullet shields, most amusing griefs, etc. Beginner to advanced classes. Event griefings, individual griefings. OMG award ranks!!

I'm dead serious about this. Griefers seek attention and reaction. Power and control. So give them the attention and reaction they seek, but YOU take power and control over what type of attention and reaction they get, and steer your audience to do the same.

I shall call this "Candie's Griefer Behavioral Modification Method (CGBMM)" (tm) (Patent pending. All rights reserved. Copyright 2004.)

I can see it now.

"Did you go to the trivia event last night?"
"Yeah, but it sucked. Boooorrrrrriiiiinnnnnng. Not a single griefing "
"Oh man. I neg the host if there's no griefing. All the popular hosts have at least one griefing during their events. I went to the show and tell and we had a great griefing there."
"Oh yeah? What kind?"
"Some new firebombs. REALLY pretty -- pastels -- pink and blue and minty green."
"I gotta go to those firebomb classes. People are starting to say I'm a bitch cuz I haven't bombed any events yet. "
"Ummm yeah I know, Sally. What's your griefer rank? Do you even HAVE one?"
"Okay okay I'll sign up for the classes."
"Gotta run. I'm on newbie host griefing duty tonight. New group we formed to help new hosts by making sure their events get griefed. You know, encourage them to host & not feel left out cuz the BIG griefers don't show up."
"Wow that's great. I heard Grimmy griefed Candie's bingo again last night. Man she is the best!"
"Pfft. I heard she cybers AND pays him to do it. Some people will do anything to get griefed."

You know, you might just have a point there. Hmmm. Perhaps it's about time that someone hosted a Griefer Show and Tell at Stage 4.

Sio.

I agree with Iron Chef. I think the Lindens have done a fine job of taking care of things as needed.

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I think just ignoring the griefers or doing as suggested and thanking them for dwell, etc. might work the best... But as an attendee at events, I usually leave if there is griefing or side chatting gets out of hand - enough where you can't tell what the event is anymore. It is not what I went to the event for. Yeah, I guess I'm giving in to the griefers, but I feel like if the event has been disrupted, then why be there.

There's no need to personally get worked up over griefers. Sending IM's and negative ratings just fuels your hate. Just report and move on. Then they won't be seen for a couple of days.

Cool, just in time for the next event...