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David Valentino

Nicely Wicked

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01-13-2005 09:50

Well..if I owned land next to any build that was an eyesore, I would shrug, figure they will move along soon, and put up a nice screen of trees, or a scenic background to block my view of it.

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Jillian Callahan

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01-13-2005 09:56

From: David Valentino

Well..if I owned land next to any build that was an eyesore, I would shrug, figure they will move along soon, and put up a nice screen of trees, or a scenic background to block my view of it.

If it were merely "ugly", that'd be all anyone would need do. But, this is all large light objects with animated textures and lots of alphas some 50 meters high. It trimmed my frame rate quite nicely.

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Anshe Chung

Business Girl

Join date: 22 Mar 2004

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01-14-2005 02:46

Right. This is not about usual ugly building. And he specifically target areas where people actually try to sell their land. Imagine you try to move or tier down and thus put your land for sale and the he steps in and scares away any potential buyer.

But sofar nothing happened. On 12th of January I received one "resolved message" from Linden Lab concerning abuse report but after that the towers were still there.

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Kris Ritter

paradoxical embolism

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01-14-2005 02:50

From: Anshe Chung

But sofar nothing happened. On 12th of January I received one "resolved message" from Linden Lab concerning abuse report but after that the towers were still there.

'Resolved' very often means that LL just threw out your report without doing anything at all. I get them all the time, and they are anything but resolved!

Willow Zander

Having Blahgasms

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01-14-2005 02:51

Maybe they meant the DISSOLVED, some headache tablets into some water before they acutally RESOLVE the problem?

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Hiro Pendragon

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01-14-2005 03:00

From: Anshe Chung

Right. This is not about usual ugly building. And he specifically target areas where people actually try to sell their land. Imagine you try to move or tier down and thus put your land for sale and the he steps in and scares away any potential buyer.

But sofar nothing happened. On 12th of January I received one "resolved message" from Linden Lab concerning abuse report but after that the towers were still there.

Maybe they took it down, waited a day, and put it back up?

Try re-reporting, and referencing the old abuse number?

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Maxx Monde

Registered User

Join date: 14 Nov 2003

Posts: 1,848

01-14-2005 05:01

Just another reason not to own land.

Yeah, I hate it when people leave ugly objects on land that have scripts and.....oh, we're talking about the *griefer* doing that...my mistake.

Kris Ritter

paradoxical embolism

Join date: 31 Oct 2003

Posts: 6,627

01-14-2005 05:03

From: Maxx Monde

Just another reason not to own land.

Yeah, I hate it when people leave ugly objects on land that have scripts and.....oh, we're talking about the *griefer* doing that...my mistake.

*slap*

you just can't help yourself, can ya Maxxie?!

Naw. Me either.. *sigh*

Hamstershire Biggles

Second Life Resident

Join date: 27 Oct 2004

Posts: 15

01-14-2005 07:26

I wonder if it would be possible to tie ratings to an IP address or the credit card instead of a specific alt. Possibly just behavior ratings?

Would that hinder some alt griefing? Are there bad sides to this idea I'm not seeing?
Maybe ratings aren't even that strong of an disincentive to griefing.

Tiger Crossing

The Prim Maker

Join date: 18 Aug 2003

Posts: 1,560

01-14-2005 09:16

Ratings encourage griefers, and more expensive ratings will encourage them more.

Before, every neg a greifer got was like L$1 earned having fun and pissing people off. Now each is worth $25.

"Lets see if I can get people so pissed off, losing L$75 sounds like a deal!!!"

If someone wants to be bad, they want to be as good ad being bad as possible. Negs are the score. Just look at games where you can play as good or evil. The desire to be the bad-assest bad-ass there is IS in human nature... More so in some people than others.

This has to be taken into account when the new rating system is installed.

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Cross Lament

Loose-brained Vixen

Join date: 20 Mar 2004

Posts: 1,115

01-14-2005 14:01

From: Jillian Callahan

Holy moley - I just now saw Biffy building one. Wish I had known he was using them to greif... well, I don' t know what I might have done about it had I known. He was being careful not to extend onto other people's land and stay within the TOS, I'm sure.

What an ass.

Well, deliberately trying to negatively impact sim performance is a TOS violation, isn't it? oO

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Alby Yellowknife

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Join date: 5 Jun 2004

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01-14-2005 14:04

From: Cross Lament

Well, deliberately trying to negatively impact sim performance is a TOS violation, isn't it? oO

How do you prove Deliberately?

Do griefers think we cant retaliate because ratings cost more? o.O
David Valentino Nicely Wicked Join date: 1 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,941	01-13-2005 09:50 Well..if I owned land next to any build that was an eyesore, I would shrug, figure they will move along soon, and put up a nice screen of trees, or a scenic background to block my view of it. _____________________ David Lamoreaux Owner - Perilous Pleasures and Extreme Erotica Gallery
Jillian Callahan Rotary-winged Neko Girl Join date: 24 Jun 2004 Posts: 3,766	01-13-2005 09:56 From: David Valentino Well..if I owned land next to any build that was an eyesore, I would shrug, figure they will move along soon, and put up a nice screen of trees, or a scenic background to block my view of it. If it were merely "ugly", that'd be all anyone would need do. But, this is all large light objects with animated textures and lots of alphas some 50 meters high. It trimmed my frame rate quite nicely. _____________________
Anshe Chung Business Girl Join date: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 1,615	01-14-2005 02:46 Right. This is not about usual ugly building. And he specifically target areas where people actually try to sell their land. Imagine you try to move or tier down and thus put your land for sale and the he steps in and scares away any potential buyer. But sofar nothing happened. On 12th of January I received one "resolved message" from Linden Lab concerning abuse report but after that the towers were still there. _____________________ ANSHECHUNG.COM: Buy land - Sell land - Rent land - Sell sim - Rent store - Earn L$ - Buy L$ - Sell L$ SLEXCHANGE.COM: Come join us on Second Life's most popular website for shopping addicts. Click, buy and smile
Kris Ritter paradoxical embolism Join date: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 6,627	01-14-2005 02:50 From: Anshe Chung But sofar nothing happened. On 12th of January I received one "resolved message" from Linden Lab concerning abuse report but after that the towers were still there. 'Resolved' very often means that LL just threw out your report without doing anything at all. I get them all the time, and they are anything but resolved!
Willow Zander Having Blahgasms Join date: 22 May 2004 Posts: 9,935	01-14-2005 02:51 Maybe they meant the DISSOLVED, some headache tablets into some water before they acutally RESOLVE the problem? _____________________ *I'm not ready for the world outside...I keep pretending, but I just can't hide...* "Notice that the stiffest tree is most easily cracked, while the bamboo or willow survives by bending with the wind." <3 Giddeon's <3
Hiro Pendragon bye bye f0rums! Join date: 22 Jan 2004 Posts: 5,905	01-14-2005 03:00 From: Anshe Chung Right. This is not about usual ugly building. And he specifically target areas where people actually try to sell their land. Imagine you try to move or tier down and thus put your land for sale and the he steps in and scares away any potential buyer. But sofar nothing happened. On 12th of January I received one "resolved message" from Linden Lab concerning abuse report but after that the towers were still there. Maybe they took it down, waited a day, and put it back up? Try re-reporting, and referencing the old abuse number? _____________________ Hiro Pendragon ------------------ http://www.involve3d.com - Involve - Metaverse / Emerging Media Studio Visit my SL blog: http://secondtense.blogspot.com
Maxx Monde Registered User Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 1,848	01-14-2005 05:01 Just another reason not to own land. Yeah, I hate it when people leave ugly objects on land that have scripts and.....oh, we're talking about the griefer doing that...my mistake.
Kris Ritter paradoxical embolism Join date: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 6,627	01-14-2005 05:03 From: Maxx Monde Just another reason not to own land. Yeah, I hate it when people leave ugly objects on land that have scripts and.....oh, we're talking about the griefer doing that...my mistake. slap you just can't help yourself, can ya Maxxie?! Naw. Me either.. sigh
Hamstershire Biggles Second Life Resident Join date: 27 Oct 2004 Posts: 15	01-14-2005 07:26 I wonder if it would be possible to tie ratings to an IP address or the credit card instead of a specific alt. Possibly just behavior ratings? Would that hinder some alt griefing? Are there bad sides to this idea I'm not seeing? Maybe ratings aren't even that strong of an disincentive to griefing.
Tiger Crossing The Prim Maker Join date: 18 Aug 2003 Posts: 1,560	01-14-2005 09:16 Ratings encourage griefers, and more expensive ratings will encourage them more. Before, every neg a greifer got was like L$1 earned having fun and pissing people off. Now each is worth $25. "Lets see if I can get people so pissed off, losing L$75 sounds like a deal!!!" If someone wants to be bad, they want to be as good ad being bad as possible. Negs are the score. Just look at games where you can play as good or evil. The desire to be the bad-assest bad-ass there is IS in human nature... More so in some people than others. This has to be taken into account when the new rating system is installed. _____________________ ~ Tiger Crossing ~ (Nonsanity)
Cross Lament Loose-brained Vixen Join date: 20 Mar 2004 Posts: 1,115	01-14-2005 14:01 From: Jillian Callahan Holy moley - I just now saw Biffy building one. Wish I had known he was using them to greif... well, I don' t know what I might have done about it had I known. He was being careful not to extend onto other people's land and stay within the TOS, I'm sure. What an ass. Well, deliberately trying to negatively impact sim performance is a TOS violation, isn't it? oO _____________________ - Making everyone's day just a little more surreal - Teeple Linden: "OK, where did the tentacled thing go while I was playing with my face?"
Alby Yellowknife Sic Semper Tyrannis Join date: 5 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,148	01-14-2005 14:04 From: Cross Lament Well, deliberately trying to negatively impact sim performance is a TOS violation, isn't it? oO How do you prove Deliberately?

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