Do griefers think we cant retaliate because ratings cost more? o.O

Last night, for the first time in many, many weeks, a bunch of us were repeatedly griefed by idiots. Then when I got back to Krittannia, I found that further idiots had been having a field day with rezzing physical objects all over the place - again, not happened in a long time.

I also noticed a few other people mentioning getting griefed; a friend even mentioned it in the chat to Philip:

Lillitha Tabla: I want to know if you considered the fact that the changes in the policy regarding ratings can be abused by people in a negative way, i was attacked twice today by some random person and it costs more to negative rate as well
Philip Linden: Our hope is that frivolous rating... just to annoy people for instance,
Philip Linden: will be reduced by the higher cost to rate.

I think Philip is right that people wont rate to be annoying as much, but is it also the case that griefers think we wont pay out to neg them? And are they also so stupid that they dont realise we have other avenues to pursue beyond simply rating them?

The guy who griefed us was extra stupid, really, given that we'd all just reinstalled the client, so it actually popped up with the PvP abuse window and positively invited us to abuse report him for two crimes. So four of us did. Two Lindens got involved, and the guy was on suspension so fast I bet he wondered what had happened (thanks Nova and Lee!).

I'm just curious, was this a couple of coincidental isolated incidents, or did anyone else experience anything similar? And do people think that the changes will make any difference as far as griefing etc is concerned?

L$25 is a pittance. Won't stop me neg rating a griefer, nor abuse reporting.

I think we are gunna see a lot of this for a while to come, personally I would lend anyone the 25 to give someone a neg rating if they were being an annoying tw*t.

Josh set up some rules in our telehub last night, stating no weapons, no random buildilng (as we have just sectioned off a sandbox) and I am wondering if ppl will either

a) complain
b) listen
c) do whatever the hell they want anyway!

Some ppl are just so freaking dumb its untrue, I seriously don't understand the point in griefing, I used to get followed around by some dumb idiot constantly griefing me, everywhere I sodding went he was there, I reported him god knows how many times for various things and eventually he was perma banned (he was actually a major pain the ass to everyone else too it seemed), don't they understand that eventually they will do that many 'Linden Heads' in they will just be gone???

I always like freezing av's for fun, maybe next time I will just freeze them till a linden hops over

Rating griefers back is pointless. They don't care wether or not their griefer alt receives any ratings. In fact, I would expect them enjoy themselves very well wearing your ratings as one "badge of honor" and proof that they managed to upset you.

The only way to deal with real griefers is abuse report channel. If you enjoy fight real asshole griefer I suggest you go here in Ontario. There you don't only find neg rate abuse. You find blackmailing for money in action. Somebody is using one alt called Biffy Pendragon to go to sims, buy small piece of land in the middle of sim and put up headache producing and gfx card crashing griefer structure. Then he puts land for sale at tripple price waiting to be bought out. Similar towers by him you find in sims further to the east.

Waiting since several days for Linden do something...

Wow, he sounds like a REAL charmer

Sounds like Anshe get competitor and unhappy about it. I guess it fine line between "profiteering" and "griefing".

Anshe is complaining that someone is buying up land, charging an exorbitant price to buy it and rezzing structures that Anshe finds aesthetically displeasing. I've not seen that Biff has used obstructive bans or obscuring terraforming or even retalitory negging. As Anshe has staunchly advocated for her right to use her land as she sees fit, I have trouble understanding what her issue is with Biff.

We often hate most passionately in others traits that we share with them.

Me Either.

Griefers now have greater incentive to grief as they may get a kick out of seeing others spend their L$ to negative rate them.

I have a message for the Griefers:


We are Linden Labs.
You will be assimilated.
Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own.
Resistance Is Futile



Second Lifers are a vast collective of humanoids that have been assimilated by Linden Labs Collective.

I cannot understand adults behaving like this. How many of these griefers are minors do you think? I have been told there are minors on here who blend in perfectly but these obviously do not.

Alexa

Imagine this Alexa... Maybe we adults aren't as stuffy as you. Relax and enjoy life. Put away your prep school training and join the masses.. Remeber those kids who would run by your school window throwing snowballs while you learned Theortical Physics at age 12? Yeah, thats us.. lol

I am head security for a popular mature club. I have had quite a few griefers, when cornered, admit they are 12-15 yrs old. Neg rating them does no good...bad parents are going to let their kids do whatever. LL doesnt do much checking..anybody who's parents have a cc can get in. Agreed neg rating them is a "badge of honor". They want neg ratings....this is an alt!
The only way I see that this will stop is if abuse is allowed to completely ban a credit card because of griefing...few people will let their kids buy game after game.....especially the same game...without noticing something is amiss. Even among the bad parents, it would eventually be halted.
The legal aged griefers are another problem. But the solution is the same one. With abuse able to ban credit cards...there IS a limit to how many a person can get, especially at the normal ages of griefers. A 20 yr old has considerably less resources to draw from, generally, than a typical adult.
Give abuse some power...they can stop this.

My question is....do they want to?

I dont believe they do. And more and more people are agreeing with me.

Interesting.

Sounds as if the number of insurgencies is on the rise. Maybe LL needs to up the troop strength.

Maybe a Raid on the bank accounts of suspected faction leaders will squash the rebel forces.

well at leats the amount of idiots on alt accounts rating random people negative will be reduced a little.

And of course i can always spare 75l to tripple negative rate someone that annoys people.

This is the coolest....

Liberals have about the same issues in SL.. lol

I never felt neg rating did anything except validate people for being bad, not to mention encouraging them and their friends to retaliate. If it's abuse, report it right away and let the Lindens sort it out.

You can't. In most case you will be sparing 75 L$ to tripple neg rate somebody's alt while person sit behind keyboard and laugh at you.

Griefers frequently attempt to collect neg ratings. Giving them out is actually playing their game. They could care less about receiving them because anybody that knows anything about the rating system knows that you need a LOT of negs to actually make a difference. Like a LOT.

Many griefers are alt accounts as well, they are not dependent on themselves for their money, they get coin from their mains, so it's not like losing 50L$ a month is an issue.

In two years I've never ever heard of a griefer being deterred by the threat of negs in any way.

Yes. My thoughts are along the same as Anshe's and Mals observations, and this guy was obviously an alt (13 negs, no pos's in over 2 months). It just struck me as curious that there was an 'outbreak' of griefing - if indeed there was - following the changes. I wasnt sure if it was connected or not, and if so, what the reasons might be.

Of course, the answer is always to abuse report, and we all did. As I say, two Lindens responded and the guy was extremely quickly logged out once Nova appeared. Mind you, thats because he hung around for like 10 minutes after he threw us all out of the sim. For what reason, I don't know, but then he obviously wasn't the most intelligent of chaps anyway.

Holy moley - I just now saw Biffy building one. Wish I had known he was using them to greif... well, I don' t know what I might have done about it had I known. He was being careful not to extend onto other people's land and stay within the TOS, I'm sure.

What an ass.

Actually it is worse than just griefing: He tries to make money that way too. And from what I heared it works. At least one person bought him out in the past.

Which rewards the behavior, so he'll do it again.
Neg rates mean spit to him (may also encrouage him, as others have noted).
And he's otherwise within the TOS.

Ok, Lindens - what's the approriate course of action here? Mmm? This strikes me as important enough to garner some response of some sort, since he's rather extorting money this way.