Self Gov't/New Job Discription with LL

Edit: I moved my post to this thread /120/0e/28217/1.html#post281243. I feel it fits there better and I don't like double post

I would also like to know what Paul meant by this line:

SL Residents believe they have a voice in new feature choices and design

Is he saying we think we have a voice but don't have one or what?

Back on the subject of a player government/judicial system - I think the fact that the long thread about this subject has apparently disappeared is distinctly spooky. Are LL now selectively deleting threads which they don't like?

It doesn't surprise me that LL are looking at this but surely they must take into account the wishes of the large majority of residents?

Anshe Chung - your post was disturbing - I had never heard of big raid guilds. SL would be ripe for them to move in if we went down the road of self government.

Latonia

Yes. That is why any kind of voting/governance needs some special checks that are not necessary in RL situations. Just imagine everybody in the world could just register on some website and then elect your town's mayor.

Maybe the right approach is to define some kinda citizenship and requirements other than simply owning one lifetime account. And maybe people running for office should be required to have been members for a certain amount of time and shown certain level of activity. But, mind you, this can also be easily gamed by a raider guild. One macro script is enough. Any kinda rating system also won't work, since any well organized group would simply cross power rate its own accounts.

And even if the raider problem would be solved... Is democracy enough? How about constitution, minority rights and courts? What are limits of some elected government? Could somebody campaign with promise to tax the 100 richest users with 90% in order to spread that money among everybody else? Don't you think a lot of people would go for that to get some free L$?

Anshe Chung

Could somebody campaign with promise to tax the 100 richest users with 90% in order to spread that money among everybody else? Don't you think a lot of people would go for that to get some free L$?
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Any decent resident would not vote for that. The idiots probably would. The net result I suspect would be that the 100 richest would exchange all their L$ to US$, they would stop buying land, creating buildings, clothing, scripts etc, pull down their malls, shops and clubs. End result - no income from the tax.

Personally, I don't think we should be so worried about that happening. The first battle is to stop LL from introducing a resident government. 95 percent don't want it and I think we have to stand up and fight against it.

Latonia

A friend of mine who is interested in applying for the job sent me the same link that Catherine pointed out, so I read it more closely this morning. Under the Performance Outcome section, it does seem very clear that they are hoping the person in this role will achieve those things. Why the mixed message on player governance? I realize this is just a job listing, but it is confusing when combined with statements made previously.

Aww, you just destroyed the illusion for me, Catherine

alls I know is dem damn revenuers best to be a keepin' off muh property --else they git a belly full a' salt peter, I reckon.

lol this is just a bad dream Cris *gentaly kisses your forhead and tucks you back in to bed with a cookie* its ok you wont remember it in the morning

Love your fairy elf mother

No. It was about land... in general.

Since I'd rather not be in a player self-governed environment, I'd be planning on leaving anyway. So, I'm with Ryen. I would not violate any agreements from the original TOS that existed when I signed up to SL, but the rest.... I'd make a concerted effort to violate.

It would be Wounded Knee all over again with the Player Governed SL FBI lapping at the rims of my island and I would stay until the last wounded protester died.

Ahem.

The lindens know that a player-run, world-wide government is folly, and indeed, dangerous.

What the community job is probably for is to help the smaller communities grow... Luskwood, Taber, Slate, etc.

However, I, for one, welcome our L33t Overlords.

LF

Let me see if I can help clarify.

With respect to governance.
We believe that Second Life will ultimately be self-governing. This statement means that there will be some sort of participatory democracy, where everyone has a voice. To us it also means that no player will have control over another -- which effectively means that a representative government is probably NOT what will happen. We have ideas about how this might come about, but nothing concrete in place. In nurturing something along, however, our goal will be to make it bottom-up, not a top-down imposed system. The Community Manager will be important in working with people in SL to help figure these things out, but won't be there to tell you how it will happen.

With respect to the job description:
The Community Manager role description is meant to communicate how an individual in this role will contribute over time. This person will help Linden Lab and the SL community move toward those things listed in "performance outcomes".

Please let me know if you still have questions, and feel free to email me if you're interested.

Thanks Robin that clears up a few things in a very direct manner.

Much Appreciated;

Cat

Robin, if I didn't hate people, I'd have submitted a resume.

One thing you might want to make a requirement for this job is someone who is essentially the company mouthpiece.. someone who knows, quite well, the issues plaguing SL today and of yesterday (a sense of history is always good), and who can offer a clear, concise, "official" explanation for various things (ie bugs, feature requests, forum complaints, software complaints, drama, random forum issues about government, land, taxes, death, pants, and so on).

Also, make sure they like reading forums.

And also make sure they're able to get answers easily from you, philip, and cory, even if the answer is "we don't know", or "can't talk about it".

Just some thoughts.

LF

Yep Leck you got it!

We've been over this before - and on and on - and here we are doing it again.


And 20 Land Owners were picked at random to participate in the phone conference and only 4 participated...

I see a healthy, diverse community inWorld moving forward building it's infrastructure and relying on LL to keep the Grid up!

Are we seeing the beginnings of LL/corporate welfare?

*scratching head

Yeah, hating people is probably not good.

Great point about good, clear communication.

If I had to distill it down to 3 things it would be:

- give the SL residents a voice into Linden Lab
- make sure the SL residents have a role in shaping the direction of Second Life
- make sure the SL residents know what's coming and build transparency into our systems and goals.

Hope that helps.

If i were hiring for this position I'd require this person NOT read the forums!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Work ONLY inWorld... Face to face....

Heh, sorry. It's just going to be my third Christmas in retail soon, and I'm not looking forward to the verbal and physical threats at me and my co-workers for not having a $20 DVD player in stock.

LF

It's a razor's edge...working to help a community develop it's own emergent qualities, yet keeping in perspective a "bigger picture" of things that will ultimately benefit as many people as possible? That's strong work.

Kudos from my perspective to Linden Lab for trying to find people who can passionately and at the same time *dispassionately* walk this line.

It ain't easy. You need a thick skin and a sensitive skin, both at the same time.

But in my experience, it's something that needs to be done. And if it's done right, then everyone's "voice" will truly be heard.

What you dont have any $20 dvd players left! I demand to see the manager at once, chop chop. kidding thats rought LF. Try to have a happy thanksgiving

Av sex and dance parties

That be me? nah I'm just an asshat -- although that description DOES sound a lot like the originator of my sig line