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Cindy Claveau
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08-03-2006 09:24
Public Beliefs about Creation & EvolutionFrom: someone According to Newsweek in 1987, "By one count there are some 700 scientists with respectable academic credentials (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) who give credence to creation-science..." That would make the support for creation science among those branches of science who deal with the earth and its life forms at about 0.14%. However, the American public thinks very differently. Popular opinion be damned, less than 2-tenths of one percent of scientists even give Creationism a thought.
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Kevn Klein
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08-03-2006 09:24
From: Michael Seraph ......
There are no scientific "facts." There are hypotheses, theories, and paradigms........
...... "A scientific fact is a highly corroborated hypothesis that has been so repeatedly tested and for which so much reliable evidence exists, that it would be perverse or irrational to deny it." |
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Kevn Klein
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08-03-2006 09:25
From: Joy Honey So, 53% of people in the US is "most people in the world"? Interesting. Most the people in the USA. But if you check, I'll bet most worldwide reject evolution as stated earlier. |
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Joy Honey
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08-03-2006 09:26
From: Kevn Klein Most the people in the USA. But if you check, I'll bet most worldwide reject evolution as stated earlier. I think we found the missing link
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08-03-2006 09:27
From: Joy Honey I think we found the missing link who was looking for it?
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Lorelei Patel
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08-03-2006 09:27
From: Kevn Klein Most the people in the USA. But if you check, I'll bet most worldwide reject evolution as stated earlier. You have hereby proven that the masses are asses. Stop the presses.
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Ewan Took
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08-03-2006 09:28
I wonder if this was broken down into education levels it would make a difference to the stats. It would be interesting to see how many college graduates believed etc. To me this is such an eye opener about America. I'm starting to think Christian version of Iran here!  |
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Kevn Klein
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08-03-2006 09:29
From: Joy Honey I think we found the missing link Of course you do, anyone who would dare disagree with your superior intellect must be sub-human. On this your entire argument rest. |
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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08-03-2006 09:30
Sorting things a bit before we start Topic #1 Most People Reject Evolution From: Kevn Klein Most people reject evolution. When I say evolution I mean the kind that starts with a single celled creature and over time transforms into a fish, then a frog, then a bird or snake etc etc.
I think most people agree with adaptation. We can see it happening. There is loads of evidence for it. But there is no evidence to support the notion life as we know it arose from lowly single cell creatures. Science is not an opinion poll. I am aware that I'm surrounded by superstitious people. Nothing really to debate here, unless you want to discuss your feelings about this. Topic #2 The origin of Life From: Kevn Klein If life did arise without a creator, it would need to come into existence with the ability to eat, remove waste, process food, grow, and reproduce. That would be a much bigger miracle than having a creator make it.
The next step is how life began from non-living matter when biogenesis (scientific fact) says all life comes from existing life.
We all know the theory of abiogenesis (the unsupported theory that life came from non-living material) strikes in the face of science, yet people who reject the notion of a creator must assume this is how life began. This is a separate isssue from evolution. When you speak of "the" theory of abiogenesis what exactly are its hypothesis? I am aware of some other theories of abiogenesis that are supported by evidence and don't strike in the face of science, so I can only assume you don't mean these. Remeber discussing them a while back? I do. From: Kevn Klein Their beliefs cause them to close their eyes to science when it shows their beliefs to be wrong. So in a way, one could say people on both sides of the issue depend on their beliefs to guide them through science. When you say "Their" I can only assume you mean creationists. Beliefs can help guide the scientific method, but beliefs alone are not science.
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Joy Honey
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08-03-2006 09:30
From: Billybob Goodliffe who was looking for it? It just showed up, crawled up from under that bridge...
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Vares Solvang
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08-03-2006 09:30
From: Kevn Klein So again I ask, what is your point in posting to this thread? He has a point here Chip. After all, whenever I post to any of his threads he just ignores them, so what is the point? I imagine it's because he can't come up with any way to refute what I say, so he just ignores it. Just as he ignores the evidence to show that evolution is real. |
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Billybob Goodliffe
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08-03-2006 09:31
From: Kevn Klein Of course you do, anyone who would dare disagree with your superior intellect must be sub-human. On this your entire argument rest. and yours rests on?
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Jopsy Pendragon
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08-03-2006 09:32
From: Kevn Klein Most the people in the USA. But if you check, I'll bet most worldwide reject evolution as stated earlier. So? If I may paraphrase your OP... "more believe in my brand of nonsense than yours therefore we win." Like hell you want a debate. You're gloating! Admit it! Pride is still a sin, yes? Where's your humility? |
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Freyr Elvehjem
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08-03-2006 09:32
From: Billybob Goodliffe From: Joy Honey I think we found the missing link who was looking for it? Well, since the OP seems to like posting things without citing sources, I'm certainly looking for some missing links. |
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Kevn Klein
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08-03-2006 09:33
From: Freyr Elvehjem ....
Source please.
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Using that definition, how does abiogenesis "strike in the face of science"? Real science, mind you. 1. "  CBS) Most Americans do not accept the theory of evolution. Instead, 51 percent of Americans say God created humans in their present form, and another three in 10 say that while humans evolved, God guided the process. Just 15 percent say humans evolved, and that God was not involved. These views are similar to what they were in November 2004 shortly after the presidential election. " http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/22/opinion/polls/main965223.shtml2. True science says life comes from life, abiogenesis flies in the face of real scientific fact. |
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Almarea Lumiere
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08-03-2006 09:34
Although I'm not a Christian, I feel like this thread lacks an intelligent Christian advocate, so I'll take it on. Most _Christians_, let alone most people in general, believe that Genesis is an allegory and that evolution is a proven scientific fact. I would document my claim, but that seems not to be the style established by the OP.  --Allie |
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Kevn Klein
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08-03-2006 09:34
From: Vares Solvang He has a point here Chip. After all, whenever I post to any of his threads he just ignores them, so what is the point?
I imagine it's because he can't come up with any way to refute what I say, so he just ignores it. Just as he ignores the evidence to show that evolution is real. If you post a reasonable point that requires a response, I'll provide one. |
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Kevn Klein
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08-03-2006 09:35
From: Billybob Goodliffe and yours rests on? I certainly don't suggest anyone who disagrees with me is ignorant. |
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Ewan Took
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08-03-2006 09:36
Did anyone here take part in that survey?
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08-03-2006 09:36
From: Vares Solvang He has a point here Chip. After all, whenever I post to any of his threads he just ignores them, so what is the point?
I imagine it's because he can't come up with any way to refute what I say, so he just ignores it. Just as he ignores the evidence to show that evolution is real. Exactly! So, rather than waste my time I'd rather post a warning to the uninitiated. "Danger! Endless Loop Ahead."
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Jopsy Pendragon
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08-03-2006 09:37
From: Kevn Klein I certainly don't suggest anyone who disagrees with me is ignorant. no... just wrong. |
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Billybob Goodliffe
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08-03-2006 09:37
<----- Intelligent (I think) christian we are here but laugh at the obsurdity of all this From: Almarea Lumiere Although I'm not a Christian, I feel like this thread lacks an intelligent Christian advocate, so I'll take it on. Most _Christians_, let alone most people in general, believe that Genesis is an allegory and that evolution is a proven scientific fact. I would document my claim, but that seems not to be the style established by the OP. --Allie
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Kevn Klein
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08-03-2006 09:37
From: Ewan Took I wonder if this was broken down into education levels it would make a difference to the stats. It would be interesting to see how many college graduates believed etc. To me this is such an eye opener about America. I'm starting to think Christian version of Iran here! You mean if we look at who is teaching? Then we could say the most indoctrinated believe in evolution. Were does evolution indoctrination happen the most? |
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Joy Honey
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08-03-2006 09:38
From: Kevn Klein Of course you do, anyone who would dare disagree with your superior intellect must be sub-human. On this your entire argument rest. uh huh... I only think that of you. I have made no argument. You come on with a statement that "most people reject evolution" and fail to clarify that it was based on a poll of US residents. There are approximately 6.6 billion people in the world. There are approximately 299 million people in the US. Based on a poll, a little over 1/2 of the US population "rejects evolution". Now, please tell us, how is how is 150,000,000 people the majority of 6.6 BILLION?
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Freyr Elvehjem
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08-03-2006 09:38
From: Kevn Klein 1. " CBS) Most Americans do not accept the theory of evolution. Instead, 51 percent of Americans say God created humans in their present form, and another three in 10 say that while humans evolved, God guided the process. Just 15 percent say humans evolved, and that God was not involved. These views are similar to what they were in November 2004 shortly after the presidential election. " http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/22/opinion/polls/main965223.shtmlThank you for the source. I see that the "liberal media" has some uses for uberconservatives after all. From: Kevn Klein 2. True science says life comes from life, abiogenesis flies in the face of real scientific fact. It does? I must be missing my "True science" handbook. Please elaborate as to how "true science" forbids abiogenesis. |
