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Colette Meiji

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08-23-2006 08:52

From: Billybob Goodliffe

the greatest gift we ever gave the French was liberation in 1944

France did not have a "un-free" regime before being occupied- while this liberation was a great thing ( and also militarily necessary to defeat Germany) - its not really part of the discussion on the foundations of freedom.

Going back in the thread the original point I was disagreeing with - It was stated that it becuase of France that America has its concepts of Freedom - notably a the symbol of the Statue of Liberty.

The liberation of France of course Is long after the statue of Liberty so has very little bearing on who inspired who towards freedom in the early days of either the American or the French Republics.

In reality - The leading Philosophical / Political Thinkers of the day had been arguing for years towards the creation of the sort of libertarian political system that the United States adopted.

One of the prominent ones was the Frenchman , Voltaire - who ironicaly spoke out against the evils in the French system of the mid 18th century (the same one who helped us beat England in the Revolution.)

The movement towards political freedom and empowerment of the common person towards equality and liberty has been / continues to be much bigger than any one country.

The American revolution and the imposition of a Country that holds Liberty as an Ideal was a shining moment , of course. And the Statue of Liberty (100+ years later) is a good symbol of that.

Its just that the history of the relationship between France and the US in this cuase are more mutually benifitial than any owing the other its existance.

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08-23-2006 09:50

From: Kyrah Abattoir

and that mean we should close our eyes on the bullshit the US government is doing since? ^_^

it was a joke

besides the Statue of Liberty and the assist during the Revolutionary War, France has made other contributions to America, New Orleans and Saint Louis as well as other things

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Selador Cellardoor

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08-30-2006 14:39

From: Faarin Blankes

Only if we choose to be, surely.

No - that is the point. By our very nature.

A cat cannot 'choose' to understand the process by which cat food is made and canned and delivered and sold. We are just as unable to transcend the limits of our intelligence.

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08-30-2006 14:47

From: Selador Cellardoor

No - that is the point. By our very nature.

A cat cannot 'choose' to understand the process by which cat food is made and canned and delivered and sold. We are just as unable to transcend the limits of our intelligence.

But I can certainly try to. How can I know what the limits are unless I seek them out?

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08-30-2006 14:58

From: Finning Widget

But I can certainly try to. How can I know what the limits are unless I seek them out?

And how does one find their limit, if by reaching the limit they have learned something new in itself, thereby raising the bar?

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Colette Meiji Registered User Join date: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 15,556	08-23-2006 08:52 From: Billybob Goodliffe the greatest gift we ever gave the French was liberation in 1944 France did not have a "un-free" regime before being occupied- while this liberation was a great thing ( and also militarily necessary to defeat Germany) - its not really part of the discussion on the foundations of freedom. Going back in the thread the original point I was disagreeing with - It was stated that it becuase of France that America has its concepts of Freedom - notably a the symbol of the Statue of Liberty. The liberation of France of course Is long after the statue of Liberty so has very little bearing on who inspired who towards freedom in the early days of either the American or the French Republics. In reality - The leading Philosophical / Political Thinkers of the day had been arguing for years towards the creation of the sort of libertarian political system that the United States adopted. One of the prominent ones was the Frenchman , Voltaire - who ironicaly spoke out against the evils in the French system of the mid 18th century (the same one who helped us beat England in the Revolution.) The movement towards political freedom and empowerment of the common person towards equality and liberty has been / continues to be much bigger than any one country. The American revolution and the imposition of a Country that holds Liberty as an Ideal was a shining moment , of course. And the Statue of Liberty (100+ years later) is a good symbol of that. Its just that the history of the relationship between France and the US in this cuase are more mutually benifitial than any owing the other its existance.
Billybob Goodliffe NINJA WIZARDS! Join date: 22 Dec 2005 Posts: 4,036	08-23-2006 09:50 From: Kyrah Abattoir and that mean we should close our eyes on the bullshit the US government is doing since? ^_^ it was a joke besides the Statue of Liberty and the assist during the Revolutionary War, France has made other contributions to America, New Orleans and Saint Louis as well as other things _____________________ If life gives you lemons, you should make lemonade and try and find someone who's life has given them vodka and have a party! From: Corvus Drake I asked God directly, and he says you're a douchebag. Commander of the Militant Wing of the Salvation Army http://e-pec.info/forum/blog/billybob_goodliffe
Selador Cellardoor Registered User Join date: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,082	08-30-2006 14:39 From: Faarin Blankes Only if we choose to be, surely. No - that is the point. By our very nature. A cat cannot 'choose' to understand the process by which cat food is made and canned and delivered and sold. We are just as unable to transcend the limits of our intelligence. _____________________
Finning Widget No Ravens in my Mailbox Join date: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 591	08-30-2006 14:47 From: Selador Cellardoor No - that is the point. By our very nature. A cat cannot 'choose' to understand the process by which cat food is made and canned and delivered and sold. We are just as unable to transcend the limits of our intelligence. But I can certainly try to. How can I know what the limits are unless I seek them out?
Corvus Drake Bedroom Spelunker Join date: 12 Feb 2006 Posts: 1,456	08-30-2006 14:58 From: Finning Widget But I can certainly try to. How can I know what the limits are unless I seek them out? And how does one find their limit, if by reaching the limit they have learned something new in itself, thereby raising the bar? _____________________ I started getting banned from Gorean sims, so now I hang out in a tent called "Fort Awesome".

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