Evolution?

What really amuses me is that America, the country that prides itself on being pro-freedom, actually got its biggest monument to freedom, The Statue Of Liberty from France. Yes, that means that the USA owes a substantial part of its culture of freedom to the French.

When France does not support the USA in its illegal wars, and the US responds by shunning the French, renaming "French Fries" to "Freedom Fries", can they not see the irony because a very great part of their culture of freedom is French and British in origin?

I'm having images of Bush saying :
"Freedom! Axis of Evil! Evil French Fries! Um... Weapons Of Mass Distraction! err, deception! err.... destruction! Yes, that's the one, Destruction! You're either with us, or against us! I mean America, not the people who have all the weapons of mass Destruction! Erm... yes this speech makes sense dammit, I'm the leader of the free world! Argh, stop trying to offer me pretzels, they won't silence me this time! I'll take on the axis of evil and the french and find all those damn pretzels.... erm.... I mean, WMDs! Or if I don't, at least I'll work to deny basic rights to more Americans at home via wiretapping and bans on gay marriage! That'll show that I'm in tune with the basic family values in America! After all, I'm not just your President, I'm on a mission from God to purge the evildoers! Pretzels are first on my list!"
(while speaking, an aide approaches the President, and says : "Mr. President, America is under satire". Bush nods approvingly, and continues with his speech. When he returns to the plane, his aide asks him why he did not counter the satire with "you're either with us, or with the pretzels". He replies that satire is about as American as apple pie, and stands for good old Christian values. His aide asks how he knows this. He replies "I hear them words 'Christian', and 'satire' together on TV all the time!".
Finally, the President waves, flies off into the sunset in his jet fighter (on loan from the military, though actually listed as on loan to his chief of staff as the computer would not let them loan an aircraft to a combatant MIA for so many years). Just before flying away in his fighter, he salutes, shouts "Mission Accomplished. God Bless America!", and then takes off, garnering much praise from the crowd of spectators. His later landing doesn't garner as much attention, his crash being attributed to the President being given a "faultly" autopilot for his "freedom fighter", (which he was only using for a *small* amount of his term in the sky, to be sure).

Polls are sooo bias, anyone who knows anything about them knows that you can come up with almost any result depending upon how it is worded.

The question should have been more clear I think. Do you people believe that evolution is the origin of human life would get one result. Do you believe that evolution exists and that species evolve would get a vast different one. I am a Christian and everyone I know believes in evolution, that animals and plants evolve over time but I believe that the existence of humans here on earth was the act of God, not that we evolved from some single celled organism long long ago. Obviously humans evolved since creation, we are now much taller, less hairy and smarter for example.

Anyway, I would take the results from polls with a grain of salt.

Only if we choose to be, surely.

Freewill is an illusion, you don't choose anything.

This stuff gets me all worked up. How many Christians even understand the concept you have done such a wonderful job describing....

With honest respect for all believers -- Organized religion is for sheep.

=B-)

Nah, the problem with "true believers" is that they focus entirely on differences and not on commonalities. Kevn would probably go nuts in a Muslim country. That's why fundamentalist religious groups end up splitting into smaller and smaller factions. Remember that Christianity's first real division came about because of three letters, -que. The Roman Catholics said that the Holy Spirit emanates from the Father "and the Son" which in Latin is "filioque". The Orthodox Church rejected the -que and said that the Holy Spirit emanates only from the Father. So Christianity split in two. Despite all the things both Churches agreed on, they focused on a matter of doctrine most Christians don't even bother to worry about.

I agree with that comment completely. Except I don't think scientists are immune from bias caused by prior beliefs.

Just as we expect a person indoctrinated into a religion to believe that religion completely, without doubt, so too we expect scientists indoctrinated in the doctrines provided them by the schooling system to believe what they were taught. Both the religiously indoctrinated and the Ivy League indoctrinated will be biased towards the teachings they received. This is proven time and again, with few exceptions.

Yes, this is a viewpoint I've never heard anybody but me express before. We find it very difficult to understand that there is a limit to our intelligence. In the same way that a cat can understand its environment up to a point, but its intellectual boundaries forbid it to understand how the cat food got into the can, so we are limited in the same way.

What really amuses me is that America, the country that prides itself on being pro-freedom, actually got its biggest monument to freedom, The Statue Of Liberty from France. Yes, that means that the USA owes a substantial part of its culture of freedom to the French.

When France does not support the USA in its illegal wars, and the US responds by shunning the French, renaming "French Fries" to "Freedom Fries", can they not see the irony because a very great part of their culture of freedom is French and British in origin?

I'm having images of Bush saying :
"Freedom! Axis of Evil! Evil French Fries! Um... Weapons Of Mass Distraction! err, deception! err.... destruction! Yes, that's the one, Destruction! You're either with us, or against us! I mean America, not the people who have all the weapons of mass Destruction! Erm... yes this speech makes sense dammit, I'm the leader of the free world! Argh, stop trying to offer me pretzels, they won't silence me this time! I'll take on the axis of evil and the french and find all those damn pretzels.... erm.... I mean, WMDs! Or if I don't, at least I'll work to deny basic rights to more Americans at home via wiretapping and bans on gay marriage! That'll show that I'm in tune with the basic family values in America! After all, I'm not just your President, I'm on a mission from God to purge the evildoers! Pretzels are first on my list!"
(while speaking, an aide approaches the President, and says : "Mr. President, America is under satire". Bush nods approvingly, and continues with his speech. When he returns to the plane, his aide asks him why he did not counter the satire with "you're either with us, or with the pretzels". He replies that satire is about as American as apple pie, and stands for good old Christian values. His aide asks how he knows this. He replies "I hear them words 'Christian', and 'satire' together on TV all the time!".
Finally, the President waves, flies off into the sunset in his jet fighter (on loan from the military, though actually listed as on loan to his chief of staff as the computer would not let them loan an aircraft to a combatant MIA for so many years). Just before flying away in his fighter, he salutes, shouts "Mission Accomplished. God Bless America!", and then takes off, garnering much praise from the crowd of spectators. His later landing doesn't garner as much attention, his crash being attributed to the President being given a "faultly" autopilot for his "freedom fighter", (which he was only using for a *small* amount of his term in the sky, to be sure).

Yes, this is a viewpoint I've never heard anybody but me express before. We find it very difficult to understand that there is a limit to our intelligence. In the same way that a cat can understand its environment up to a point, but its intellectual boundaries forbid it to understand how the cat food got into the can, so we are limited in the same way.

Interesting - but not entirely accurate

France of course owes the US their Freedom as well - the Revolution of 1789 happened after and was inspired by the American Revolution.

France promptly gave up that freedom for Tyrany under Napoleon.

It wasnt until much later that France gifted the US with the statue of Liberty. In fact it wasnt until after The American Civil War.

I got the message.. However what i wrote wasn't meant in a bad sence. it was a EQ joke. o.o

I post funny pictures, thats just what I do.

... allot ...

My eye is twitching. Make it stop. Make it stop. Make it stop.

My was too ...

Can't breathe. Need inhaler. Can't reach it. *gasp*

The statue of liberty is a nice gift but the real gift of freedom was when France assited the the colonies during the American Revolution. The US would not exist if it wasn't for France's help against the Brits.

The French Government that helped the Rebelling Colonies from 1778-1783 was the "Un-Free" one -

France of course had had a centuries long history of one conflict after another with England - something the Revolutionaries counted on from the begining. France was hoping for concessions from England after the war.

John Adams promptly repaid them for their help by going behind France's back and brokering a treaty with England in which France didnt get anything. (Much to Franklin's Ire)

Its okay though since the American revolution went and inspired the storming of the Bastille and the French Revolution in 1789.

the greatest gift we ever gave the French was liberation in 1944