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Another Radical Christian Hypocrite

Liona Clio
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10-12-2005 06:59
From: Neehai Zapata
You think it is an attack on Christians because you are being overly sensitive and defensive.

It was an important part of the story that the child molester was a Christian leader.


Actually, Neehai, that's the point. If it's important that the molester was a Christian leader, rather than simply a religious leader...then you are, intentionally or not, making the inference that Christians are hypocrites.

The title of this thread is "Another Radical Christian Hypocrite". Those are strong and imflammatory words. I'm not saying you don't have a right to use those words. However, there are those of us who follow the tenets of Chirstianity who are not really interested as being labeled as "radical" or "hypocritical". If you're going to apply a label to a group of people, you should be prepared for the possibility of a negative reaction to that label.
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Neehai Zapata
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10-12-2005 11:00
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Actually, Neehai, that's the point. If it's important that the molester was a Christian leader, rather than simply a religious leader...then you are, intentionally or not, making the inference that Christians are hypocrites.

The title of this thread is "Another Radical Christian Hypocrite". Those are strong and imflammatory words. I'm not saying you don't have a right to use those words. However, there are those of us who follow the tenets of Chirstianity who are not really interested as being labeled as "radical" or "hypocritical". If you're going to apply a label to a group of people, you should be prepared for the possibility of a negative reaction to that label.

No, you are looking for a reason to take offense. The man was the leader of the Christian Coalition Not the Religous Coalition or the Have A Nice Fucking Day Coalition.

It's funny how we will use the words Muslim Extremist or Islamic Fundamentalist but to refer to child molester by their Job Title is somehow inappropriate.

I made no inference that Christians are hypocrites. As a matter of fact, I say as much in my post. People seem to conveniently forget to quote that part. I made the intentional statement that this Christian Leader was a hypocrite. Unless of course you can show me where fucking your children is a Christian value.

Like it or not, that is just what this man is. Another radical Christian hypocrite. I am going to call him an ARCH because I like making acronyms.

Other ARCHs:
BTK Killer (Church leader and serial killer)
Jerry Falwell (remember when he fucked that whore)
Jim Bakker (stealing money from those poor old people and then fucking a whore)

Good Christians are good people. However, those that use the power of the religion to commit crimes are hypocrites. I don't like them. I don't support fucking your children. I don't feel I am at all wrong for calling these peope on the carpet for what they are. ARCHs!
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Seth Kanahoe
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10-12-2005 11:12
From: Neehai Zapata
Now I know not all Christians are child molesing heathens, just the bad ones. At some point though, can I just start telling all these homophobic assholes to leave me and their children alone and go fuck themselves?


Then you need to dumb down your original style of expression, because it's much too incisively sarcastic to support the interpretation you just gave it.

You use the words "all" and "just" to qualify and quantify a limited set (Christian leaders and/or molesters) within a group (Christians) in the first sentence. Then you use the same words - "all" and "just" - in a different order, apparently to expand that limited set (leaders and/or molesters) to an inclusive group (Christians) in the second sentence.

I thought it was clever word-play. You're saying it's merely mistaken semantics?
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10-12-2005 11:47
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You use the words "all" and "just" to qualify and quantify a limited set (Christian leaders and/or molesters) within a group (Christians) in the first sentence. Then you use the same words - "all" and "just" - in a different order, apparently to expand that limited set (leaders and/or molesters) to an inclusive group (Christians) in the second sentence.

I thought it was clever word-play. You're saying it's merely mistaken semantics?

I said what I said. If you have to look this hard to find an insult, then nothing I could have said would matter.

Here is another straw.
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Billy Grace
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10-12-2005 15:30
We all know by now with your repeated topic of bashing Christians at every opportunity that you sir are intolerant of the religious beliefs of Christians. Veil yourself thinly in rhetoric, but it is perfectly clear to every Christian and many non-Christians who have read these same kind of posts over and over again.

Emphasize the horrifics of Child Molestation how bout it instead of highlighting that the retard claims to be a Christian. Again, I could use the same tactic about practically any other group or individuals and you would cry like a baby about my intolerance while ignoring your own... why? Because it is politically correct and somehow cool to bash Christians because of their religious beliefs.

There are just as many non-Christian political activists pushing their morality on the rest of us btw. That is a very weak justification for attacking us over and over and over again. Give it a rest!!!
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Liona Clio
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10-12-2005 15:47
I wonder what kind of ruckus a thread entitled "Another Radical Islamic Hypocrite" would cause? Of course, the thread would just be about hypocricy. I'm sure everyone would understand that the real message is terrorizing and murdering people is bad, and they'd just ignore the "in the name of Allah" part of it.

But hey...why stop there? I'm sure we could start other threads. Jews are taking your money...Blacks are dealing drugs...Gay men are sizing up your package. But all we're highlighting is the hypocricy, of course. No one would ever cast stereotypes.

</sarcasm>
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Jsecure Hanks
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10-12-2005 15:53
All these recent "I'm not here to slag off Christians, god no, but Christians are shit, not that I have anything against Christians" posts annoy me. Like we're not going to see right through them.

Check out my satire on this post:

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Neehai Zapata
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10-12-2005 16:05
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We all know by now with your repeated topic of bashing Christians at every opportunity that you sir are intolerant of the religious beliefs of Christians. Veil yourself thinly in rhetoric, but it is perfectly clear to every Christian and many non-Christians who have read these same kind of posts over and over again.

Every opportunity? Could you be more melodramatic?

I never, ever, said all Christians are like that. I didn't even infer that.

You just want to paint me as a bad person because I think there should be a huge "fuck off" to people who abuse religious power and an especially big "fuck off" to those fucking children.

I don't have a problem with Christians. I have a problem with Christians that use the "power" of their religion to attack others, especially children.

I don't hate the Christians, I hate the sin. :)
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Neehai Zapata
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10-12-2005 16:08
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All these recent "I'm not here to slag off Christians, god no, but Christians are shit, not that I have anything against Christians" posts annoy me. Like we're not going to see right through them.

Cute post but you miss the point.

This guy wasn't just a going to church worshipping Jesus Christian. It was his JOB.

He was a person pf power and influence. You can argue semantics all you want, but if I were a Christian I would be hella worried about the "Christians" out there doing shit like this.

You are so intent on demonizing me for reporting the news that you can't look at the bigger issue in this thread. No wonder Priests were allowed to fuck children for so long.
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Alexin Bismark
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10-12-2005 17:40
From: Neehai Zapata

I don't have a problem with Christians. I have a problem with Christians that use the "power" of their religion to attack others, especially children.


What exactly does the "'power' of their religion" mean to you in this context?

And so can I presume that you would be just as outraged and moved to speak out if molestation was committed by a leader of a non-Christian religion or other non-religious community leader that carries an air of social authority?
Neehai Zapata
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10-12-2005 17:55
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And so can I presume that you would be just as outraged and moved to speak out if molestation was committed by a leader of a non-Christian religion or other non-religious community leader that carries an air of social authority?

Yes, I would.
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Alexin Bismark
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10-12-2005 18:15
From: Neehai Zapata
He was a person pf power and influence. You can argue semantics all you want, but if I were a Christian I would be hella worried about the "Christians" out there doing shit like this.



And what some people here have been saying is that anyone that is committing those sort of acts is NOT a Christian, regardless of what he may call himself, and is an insult to the religion. So sounds like there is a perfect opportunity here to claim full agreement on what I would think should be the most important issues...namely the evils of molestation and hypocracy of calling yourself a Christian and molesting kids (in the general sense at least, even if the charges turn out not to be true).



From: Neehai Zapata
You are so intent on demonizing me for reporting the news that you can't look at the bigger issue in this thread. No wonder Priests were allowed to fuck children for so long.


Climb up on that cross if you like, but with a subject heading of "Another Radical Christian Hypocrite" and the choice of wording of your first posts I don't see how you can be surprised at the reaction it gathered. Personally, if you're main issue was Hypocracy and the molestation, I think you could could have made your case a bit better and more productively.

My $0.03
Neehai Zapata
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10-12-2005 19:58
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And what some people here have been saying is that anyone that is committing those sort of acts is NOT a Christian, regardless of what he may call himself, and is an insult to the religion.

Um yea. That would be why I called him a hypocrite.
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