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Alexin Bismark
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10-11-2005 05:02
From: Nyoko Salome

now, i'd hardly call my parents 'evil'... but most folks probably wouldn't either. petty as it sounds, this is the field upon which Evil is sown - through their own oddball seflishness; through complicit sedation; through ratings-driven mass media for the soft-headed; through elections-via-manipulation.

so what can the compost heap of Evil be referred to as??


Hmmm...I had to think for a bit on the best way to phrase this but in the end it really just comes down to this. Sounds like you're parents would have had "issues" regardless of their religion. But being Christian, that was simply part of the backdrop against which they did the things they did. So to me that becomes more of a problem of individuals than a problem of their religion. Would have been the same if they were Zoroastrians. :)


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10-11-2005 06:10
From: Neehai Zapata
I think we should hold non-Christians to the same standard. I think everyone agrees that child molestation is a bad thing.


Absolutely, on both counts, no disagreement here.


From: Neehai Zapata
I had no intention when I woke up to start a post about the leader of the Christian Coalition (one of themost powerful Christian lobbying groups in the country) molesting children.


Just a technical point here. It doesn't look like he's the leader Christian Coalition, he is the "Local" leader of the "Christian Coalition of Oregon". If his political power or position is an important element to your concern (and I take it that it is based on your "This person didn't just say he was a Christian. He was the leader of the Christian Coalition....") , it is important that you put him in the correct context.


From: Neehai Zapata

My post was merely a product of his actions. If the leader fo the Christian Coalition didn't molest children, I wouldn't have had anything to post.

This person didn't just say he was a Christian. He was the leader of the Christian Coalition and judged others from his post. If I'm the leader of the Big Dick Club, then there is a reasonable expectation that I will have a big dick. The same is true in this situation.

Most importantly, I never attacked Christianity just the child molesting fuckhead acting as the leader. You can defend him if you want, but I think it is revolting.


I don't think they were defending him, at least that was my read. I *think* (and they can obviously correct me) the point they were making was you seem to be more focused on the fact that he is (allegedly) a Christian child molester than just the fact the he's a child molester. A similar reaction as I had to reading your posts. You seemed to spend more word count pointing out his Christianity and his ties to the Christian Coalition (even the title of the thread itself) than the terrible nature of what he stands accused of doing. As such it shouldn't be surprising that, regardless of what your original intent may have been, some would see your post as being more about taking a swipe at Christians than taking a swipe at a child molesting fuckhead. Just something to think about.


So for the record:
  1. I'm a long time agnostic (with occasional bouts of atheism)
  2. Having been on the receiving end before, I strongly disagree with all forms of religious intolerance, bigotry, and prejudice.
  3. I think the CC is an religious extremist group that isn't nearly as strong as they were in the 80's (nor are they as strong as THEY themselves think they are).
  4. I think all child molesting fuckheads should rot in a deep dark hole somewhere.
  5. I don't know if the guy in the article is guilty or not (and neither does anyone else, if the sum total of what they know about the case is what they read in the article), but if he is found guilty, he is indeed a hypocrite on top of being a child molesting fuckhead, and the National CC organization will be acting hypocritically if they don't seek to remove his ass from his position.
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10-11-2005 06:20
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I don't think they were defending him, at least that was my read. I *think* (and they can obviously correct me) the point they were making was you seem to be more focused on the fact that he is (allegedly) a Christian child molester than just the fact the he's a child molester.

His postion as a leader of the Christian Coalition is absolutely the point of my post.

Let's say you have a criminal on parole who is also a child molestor. And you have a Christian Coalition leader who preaches about morality and protecting children who is also a child molestor. Which is the more insidious of the two? The person you would suspect or the hypocrite hiding behind their religion?

It is absolutely relevent that this person was a moral leader who set himself up to combat those activities while he was commiting such activities.

I daresay the power of his position allowed him to get away with it longer. The same way that Priests got away with it longer.

Which is more difficult for a child? Saying the creepy old man at the mall touched me or saying that the state leader of the Christian Coalition molested me? I don't think the children noted much difference in his "leadership" from a state to a national level.
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10-11-2005 06:26
From: Nyoko Salome

that's all that western religion has become. that's what even al-queda-ish radical islam has over american christianity... like in cronenberg's 'videodrome'... 'because it has something that you don't have, max. it has a -philosophy.'


That philosophy being one that involves killing the infidel, killing homosexuals, oppressing women, blowing up jews...I think they loose whatever "cool points" they may get for being non-Christian or non-Western over that. But I've been told my priorities are out of whack, so what do I know. :rolleyes: We went through enough of that crap with the Catholic Church when they were in their big "Convert or Die" phase a few hundred years ago, the LAST thing we need is a repeat of that from the AssHat wing of the Islamic religion IMO.
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10-11-2005 06:52
From: Neehai Zapata

It is absolutely relevent that this person was a moral leader who set himself up to combat those activities while he was commiting such activities.


If proven, udoubtedly relevant to the level of hypocracy. Not sure so much to the "vileness" of the crime.


From: Neehai Zapata

Which is more difficult for a child? Saying the creepy old man at the mall touched me or saying that the state leader of the Christian Coalition molested me? I don't think the children noted much difference in his "leadership" from a state to a national level.


I'd say that the whole Christian Coalition membership or leadership thing would have been totally irrelavent to the children. This was reportedly molestation of familiy members. I think being a known family member would have been the difficulty. I don't think a molested child is going to give a shit about the politics. Adults play politics, adults even play politics using children, but I don't think (as a general rule) children play politics.
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10-11-2005 07:16
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I'd say that the whole Christian Coalition membership or leadership thing would have been totally irrelavent to the children. This was reportedly molestation of familiy members. I think being a known family member would have been the difficulty. I don't think a molested child is going to give a shit about the politics. Adults play politics, adults even play politics using children, but I don't think (as a general rule) children play politics.

True, but they are still children. His children or not.
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10-11-2005 09:13
Haven't read this entire thread yet, and haven't read all the threads on the same topic.

But it strikes me that these threads are just a bunch of hate speech against a group of people that wouldn't be tolerated if it were against some other group - say blacks, or gays, or Muslims, or Jews, or women.

"Well, I know some good ones, but . . ."

etc.

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10-11-2005 09:21
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What does the "H" in "Jesus H. Christ" stand for? Hypocrite!

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10-11-2005 09:33
From: Cocoanut Koala
Haven't read this entire thread yet, and haven't read all the threads on the same topic.

But it strikes me that these threads are just a bunch of hate speech against a group of people that wouldn't be tolerated if it were against some other group - say blacks, or gays, or Muslims, or Jews, or women.

"Well, I know some good ones, but . . ."

etc.

coco


The difference between race/gender and religion should be rather obvious.

You're born as one. You choose the other. (With the possible exception of Judaism, as it seems to be as much of a racial/heritage identification as a religious one.)

Everything the subject of the OP did was a choice he made. He chose to hide behind religion so he could tell others what to do, while he molested children. I have no problem disliking people because of the choices that they consciously make. However, disliking someone because of what color or gender they were born as seems pretty pointless.
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Uuh....
10-11-2005 09:43
From: Cory Edo

Everything the subject of the OP did was a choice he made. He chose to hide behind religion so he could tell others what to do, while he molested children. I have no problem disliking people because of the choices that they consciously make. However, disliking someone because of what color or gender they were born as seems pretty pointless.


Ok, just so we're clear on what your saying, you're fine with religious intolerance because religion is a matter of choice?
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10-11-2005 09:43
Okay, let's see if I follow this...
  1. John Smith molests a child.
  2. John Smith is a self-avowed Christian.
  3. Christians molest children.
Maybe it's just me, but I'm seeing a slight fault in the inferred logic here...

The man is a pig, a perv, and yes, a hypocrite. The Christian Coalition's leader, BTW, advocates the assassination of foriegn heads of state and thinks New Orleans was given God's Wrath for its sinful ways.

What I want to make sure of is that we're all clear on what were expressing our disgust with. The tenets of Christianity do NOT endorse the behavior of these bozos. Let's separate the religion from the charlatans who claim to practice it.
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10-11-2005 09:45
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What I want to make sure of is that we're all clear on what were expressing our disgust with. The tenets of Christianity do NOT endorse the behavior of these bozos. Let's separate the religion from the charlatans who claim to practice it.



Well said. (hat tip)
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10-11-2005 09:53
From: Alexin Bismark
Ok, just so we're clear on what your saying, you're fine with religious intolerance because religion is a matter of choice?


Define "religious intolerance".

If saying I think Scientologists are 10 pounds of bull stuffed in a 5 pound bag is religious intolerance, then I guess I'm intolerant.

If saying I think Jehovah's Witnesses need to stop knocking on my damn door to convince me I'm one of the 144,000 chosen people that will get whisked up to Heaven, then I'm intolerant as all get-out.

If you're asking if I wouldn't hire someone because of what religion they are, the answer is no. In the workplace, their religion is none of my business. I won't deign to stoop to the lower actions that the phrase "religious intolerance" brings to mind, because beating someone up because they're Jewish or Catholic or Rastifarian is just as stupid as beating someone up because they're black or gay. In fact, beating someone up period is pretty stupid, so there's my opinion on that one.

Everybody in the US is free to make their own decisions on religion. Go ahead, knock yourself out. I wouldn't think of stopping you.

I am intolerant of hypocritical douchebags that tell others how to live their lives because they think they have the direct line to God.
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10-11-2005 11:00
From: Cory Edo

If saying I think Scientologists are 10 pounds of bull stuffed in a 5 pound bag is religious intolerance, then I guess I'm intolerant.

If saying I think Jehovah's Witnesses need to stop knocking on my damn door to convince me I'm one of the 144,000 chosen people that will get whisked up to Heaven, then I'm intolerant as all get-out.


No, I just think you need to switch to decaff before you give yourself apoplexy.


From: Cory Edo

If you're asking if I wouldn't hire someone because of what religion they are, the answer is no. In the workplace, their religion is none of my business. I won't deign to stoop to the lower actions that the phrase "religious intolerance" brings to mind, because beating someone up because they're Jewish or Catholic or Rastifarian is just as stupid as beating someone up because they're black or gay. In fact, beating someone up period is pretty stupid, so there's my opinion on that one.


Ok, fair enough, that actually answers my question.


From: Cory Edo

I am intolerant of hypocritical douchebags that tell others how to live their lives....


Fancy that. Me too. :D
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10-11-2005 11:05
From: Alexin Bismark
No, I just think you need to switch to decaff before you give yourself apoplexy.


I did, but now the doctors say I have to lay off the cocaine and methamphetamines as well. They can't make up their minds. :(
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10-11-2005 13:32
Seems to me there aren't very many Christians running rampant in the off-topic forum telling everyone how to live.

Seems to me, though, there are an awful lot of very anti-Christian people running rampant on the off-topic forum telling Cristians how stupid and awful they are.

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10-11-2005 14:54
From: Alexin Bismark
Well said. (hat tip)
Indeed.

The difference with the guy the thread is about though is he spent his whole life calling the kettle black. So it's not like he is a regular run-of-the-mill Christian guy. The hypocrisy is what people are upset about, not that he is a Christian.

I see this as an anti-hypocrite thread not an anti-christian thread.
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10-11-2005 16:55
From: Cocoanut Koala
Seems to me, though, there are an awful lot of very anti-Christian people running rampant on the off-topic forum telling Cristians how stupid and awful they are.


with a hug, honest and for true. really, i've often thought that my 'avowed atheist' friends talk a helluva lot about 'god', being atheists and all... and, y'all, -all- of ya, i hope this thread is taken in better spirit than simply being perceived as 'attacks' one way or the other, though the initial starting point did have pointedness to it - and, yes, certainly stroked a very broad brush across a whole population with certain beliefs... i hope this isn't taken any more seriously than a good, heated dorm-room bull session.

buuut, i must say from my experience, that christians talk about god a helluva lot more, too (unless they're just 'weekender' christians). i sadly must bring up my fast-food tempwork again (as i'm desperately trying to forget about it right now, lol) - a number of older folks, all from a local church, come to the restaurant evvvvveryday, five to ten in number, sitting there all day, talking church/god/whathaveya. i can perceive them as a sweet-enough bunch, sure - but, i must say, they talk, and talk, and talk, and talk, at that 'above-average' volume level, making sure that they are heard by all around them (and, i must say, rather bone-headed about public/political issues - again, they're simply willing to hear someone announce that they are a 'christian', and suddenly they've written off any sort of 'personal interview/background check' on the person.)

one day as i'm cleaning tables around them, and they were discussing someone's 'problem daughter' (and i had to wonder, what her 'problems' were, and whether they were actually 'problems,' outside of the christian stereotypes of non-followers) - and one throws up her hands and exclaims, no less than three times in a row, 'let go and let god'.

fuuuuuume... it's this kind of stuff that makes me rankle; makes me want to say, 'do you think you actually said something -helpful- there?' it's like seeing 'the faithful' on their knees, at the outskirts of some horrible tragedy, imploring god for a miracle, when i simply want to drag them up off their knees, and tell them 'get to work!!! -help,- god damn it!!!'

weeeell, okay, enough of that... just needed to get that bit of workplace-related b.s. off my chest. lol, plenty more of that where that came from, but it's not on-topic. again, i try to make a certain point, that though these gentle folk aren't really -evil- in and of themselves, but so much of their conversation seems to revolve around self-reinforcing (which reinforces it in their other friends) how -weak- they are, how -weak they are, how -weak- they are... and how 'god is so powerful.'

again, that just adds up to a lot of walmart shoppers, 25% of the radio spectrum comprised of 'srn news' - 'spirit radio network', where pretty much the same minute's worth of overly-spun 'news' is repeated every hour all day, adding up to a whopping amount of - one minute's worth of overly-spun 'news' a day... hell, even jesus used repetition to make a point ('i tell you this', etc etc... repetition -works,- even for the false prophets, BEWARE)...

and a presidential candidate standing up and saying, 'my biggest influence is jesus christ' - and shaving by in -two- rather questionable elections, the first having to be intervened by a supreme court stocked by the past 25 years of his 'founding fathers.'

(well, gee, i guess that -wasn't- quite 'enough of that'... like i said, quite a dorm-room bull session goin' on here.) okay, lemme backtrack some thoughts n' quotes now...

From: Alexin Bismark
Hmmm...I had to think for a bit on the best way to phrase this but in the end it really just comes down to this. Sounds like you're parents would have had "issues" regardless of their religion. But being Christian, that was simply part of the backdrop against which they did the things they did. So to me that becomes more of a problem of individuals than a problem of their religion. Would have been the same if they were Zoroastrians.


lol, -exactly-, but my point being that there's a difference between being a bad person and being a -hypocritically- bad person; there's a difference then regarding how one then tries to 'win over' others; one having taking advantage over the other.

a non-christian / non-zoroastrian (who the hell are -they??- wasn't that the 'sect' into aliens and claiming to have cloned the first human - 'eve' - over in israel/palestine?? simply only has their own history to back them up, and without a one-word self-description like xian/zoroa, they have to fess as much of it up as possible - the media normally does the rest, 'digging in the dirt.'

however, a self-described xian/zoroa, while the media will still dig up the dirt (but, after established public sentiment, will 'dead-hour' the reporting), has established a vital, vital foothold in the consciousness of those who would write off any further information with the crossing of eyes, the shaking of their heads, and the wave of their hands... 'oh, that's all made up,' '-liberal media.-' (oh, those words again... the media is soooooo far from liberal... see the 1976!! film 'network' for a very entertaining, though eventually depressing explanation of the ratings game...)

to re-emphasize/condense, it's the difference between an asshole, and a -hypocritical, advantageous- asshole.

From: Alexin Bismark
That philosophy being one that involves killing the infidel, killing homosexuals, oppressing women, blowing up jews...


lol, -yes,- in that way, islamism has much in common with christianity (at least, back 'round 1600's, in massachusetts.;) well, that was years ago, but some of those traits never really die... again, those 'nice folks' might not really -mean- it, but they sure talk about it, or along those lines. and the parallels with paranoid backwoods american militarism - its own special brand of 'new religion' - are striking. ask timothy mcveigh why he did in oklahoma city... (oh wait... we can't. and yet -another- example of old-tymey 'religious-influenced justice' that we just can't get rid of...)

to condense again, 'traditional' means 'we just -talk- about killin' 'em, but we don't actually -mean- it;' 'radical' means those who actually -act- upon this rhetoric. now where did it start? 'thoughts/dreams into action'... gotta work on the thoughts and dreams.

hell, that's what they do already!! and with a few other threads lately discussing the sl influence of dreams (as i've already experienced)... well, the implications become obvious. and, for those wishing to hold onto their predisposed power-ranks, obviously unsettling. (and no, no, this isn't 'paranoid craziness' - just statement of already oft-used strategies. basic psych101/advanced-credit high-school stuff; hardly 'ufo' territory...

i sure hope that any rankled feathers here are soothed a bit by all my rambling here... that was a great amount of my intent, even as i bitch about what i think and feel and have experienced myself... believe it or not, i am actually 'theistic', though the nature of that theism is indefinable, unexpressible. though actually, that may not be -too- hard to believe, given my upbringing...

there is a certain 'meeting of the minds', where nature and the human mind meet, and though many/all can be explained as coincidences, it's difficult for me to discount these experiences as such. these very personal events, for me, are too numerous to mention now (maybe in a completely self-indulgent memoir someday;)... but they evoke that feeling of the 'numinous', as i remember from the book by that godawful atheist stoner, carl sagan: 'contact' (actually, his obviously smart and wonderful partner - and fellow stoner anne druyan, is probably responsible for many of these touches in the book...)

sadly, so much of that book went missing in the 'forrest gump' movie-transistion... a wonderful pillow-talk conversation occurs where 'the numinous' is discussed - where scientists find 'god' through science, where mind meets nature and the universe. it's such an intricate 'construct'... that one starts wondering if it was actually 'constructed.'

(SPOILER, not much mentioned in the movie version: i do admit that the book feels a bit of a cop-out at the end, when 'proof is discovered,' because, really, shouldn't an endless sequence of numbers -eventually- reveal 'pattern', inadvertant as it may seem?? it is, again, just another meeting between mind and nature/existence... it's the 'infinite monkeys' hypothesis, which 'by nature', includes all possibilities as viable reality. like discussions regarding quantum mechanics... walk into a wall once a second for the lifetime of the universe, and -one- of those times, you just might walk -through- the wall.)

i 'argue' from the point-of-view as 'the perpetual devil's advocate' (nyak!!, and i do so because, in the formation of government and politics, 'god' left us on our own, and even 'said so,' in the posit that 'god provides no proof of his/her/its existence'. meaning, in my own humble interpretation, god says, 'fuck y'all; i gave you life, now -you- sort it out without my help - and don't -even think- of bringing me into it.'

really, it's just a relief to have like-minded, conversationally-engaged folks with more than fifteen seconds of attention-span to talk to. unlike my family, which freely feels they can interrupt anytime they like... i take as another sad indication that they really don't have the logistical accumen to engage in a thorough discussion of topics... or, to take a more non-humble stance about it, that they see the direction of the side they've held onto for so long, 'for dear life', it seems... they try to change topics quickly. but really, what are they afraid of; what are they -losing?- an improper, unfounded value system?? i feel i'm always ready to let a more valid point add upon/modify/alter my own 'belief system'... why are others so weak, in that way?? i just don't understand...

for example, my father (who has chilled significantly since retirement told me about how a member of his church often discusses specific local judicial elections, and how he -wonders- - WONDERS!! - if this is a possible infraction upon church-and-state separation. i could only reply, 'of -course- it's political...' i wonder if he'll actually speak up about it; i'm not quite sure... but interestingly, my folks, both of 'em, talked a bit about how there's little existence of a local democratic action group. it's really never too late to start wondering, thinking, talking, then acting for options, after all...

okay, okay... now that i've killed a couple hours typing, i really am done. uh, for now. y'all take care. -everyone.-

p.s. boy, okay, one more wrap-up... 'religious intolerance', well, that's what happens when the confronting side does not properly explain itself and its reasoning for doing so... it's a very time-consuming process. to make a blithe point about it, i remember once meeting an attractive girl, intellectually engaging, up to the point where i found out she hated the 'wallace and gromit' films... incomprehensible to me!! i tried to draw out this dislike from her, just as a point-of-conversation, but she did not, or could not, or simply did not want to elucidate upon it. it felt like it became a sore point in an otherwise entertaining round-table of friends discussing 'life, the universe, and everything...' silly and irrelevant, i know, but point being, whatever reason she had, she did not care to discuss. she made her feelings known, and that was that.

now, i'm a high-school 'model united nations' person, with a great desposition for playing diplomat, in most circumstances, but such stonewalling, as minor as it may be, is terribly frustrating. i always wish to leave every little thing open to discussion... i always wish to find out -what's wrong,- when someone has a disagreement, and to then try to comprehend the overall situation (from, lol, a 'godlike' position. but the personal stonewall is where all unmetable oppositions take place, and sadly, not all are willing to let go of their 'control-freak' nature over such matters. it is upon this side, sadly, that i find wars, big or small, accountable.

i hope that those of you asking questions get the answers you seek... and i implore all of you who feel you're simply 'holding your ground' reassess your positions. that is also, if i may make the humble point, 'evil'... you are excasperbating a situation upon the grounds of your own ego. talk. -talk.- TALK about it; explain your side, without fear of weakness. -no one is EVER weak.- if you find your own beliefs or opinions fade or reposition in the face of others, you and all you know are -strengthened- by the process. you -gain- knowledge and strength throughout.

this gets deep, i know, as i was suddenly wondering about 'rape fear' - even if you've never experienced such awfulness; the only thing that is 'rape', is -rape- (sexually). and you can take 'em to court over it... anything else, though, is not. (okay, this was a -real- controversial ending paragraph, so i heartily invite all to give me grief over it...

and that's not to be 'light-hearted' over the concept of it; i understand that cultism is a form of mindrape, and, well, 'i've been there' - like i said, i was raised 'traditionally religious,' though my perception of that definition is probably pretty silly to others, in other religious upbringings...

oh, sigh, i must leave off now. i'm rather exhausted. like i said, take care, y'all.

p.p.s WHAAAA, 'too many smileys!' didja know you can get denied posting a message for thus?? bummer; i'm sooooo smily-prone... i found/replaced all of them, so i hope this message didn't seem abrupt in tone-age at all...
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10-11-2005 17:07
I think lately there have been a lot of posts which are not of a positive or neutral nature towards Christians.

I'd like to see people being more careful in future about how they label a specific religeous group which is innocent of advocating any kind of illegal activities.
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10-11-2005 17:08
From: Cocoanut Koala
Seems to me there aren't very many Christians running rampant in the off-topic forum telling everyone how to live.

Nope, they're saving that for D.C. - crafting laws telling people what they can/cannot do and with whom, trying to dictate people's lives, etc.
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10-11-2005 17:10
From: Jsecure Hanks

I'd like to see people being more careful in future about how they label a specific religeous group which is innocent of advocating any kind of illegal activities.

Innocent of advocating any illegal activities but 100% guilty in trying to oppress other citizens (at least here in the U.S.) by legislating laws dictating who you can or cannot marry, trying to revoke laws that protect certain families, etc.

**please note: not all Christians agree with these activities, but those activities are being driven by people who are largely Christian.
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10-11-2005 18:49
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But it strikes me that these threads are just a bunch of hate speech against a group of people that wouldn't be tolerated if it were against some other group - say blacks, or gays, or Muslims, or Jews, or women.

This thread is about intolerance of child molesters who use religious power as their cover.

This is not an attack on Christianity. I think I even fucking said that in the original post.

Now get down off the cross honey. Someone needs the wood.
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10-11-2005 19:39
From: Daz Honey

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Organised religion is bigger than the law against molesting children, the facts prove this.

I defy you to prove this. (daz replies) hello, the cardinal who allowed child molesting priests to be shuffled around and continue their evil GOT PROMOTED and lives in the HOLY CITY not in a rank dungeon where we would normally expect such scum to end up. what more proof do you want? did the FBI investigate the catholic church as they would say a school that allowed molesting to go on after paying millions to keep it quiet? no, they kept up the charade that they were doing good deeds for years while cultivating a safe-haven for sexually repressed people who didn't want a real job and that is sick and quite frankly if you are making light of this I feel sorry for you as you are trying to make it go away but it won't until the problem is solved.


I'm making light of the size differential between the abstracts of religion and law that are "proved" by "facts." I'm not making light of all the bad stuff that I supposedly want to go away --which I clearly don't as I obviously support safe-havens for sexually repressed people under the guise of good deeds. If I didn't, then I wouldn't pay money to be in SL. :D
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10-11-2005 23:31
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While I have long greatly enjoyed your signature quote there, I must point out that what you did say in your original quote did sound a great deal like an attack on Cristians.

"Now I know not all Cristians are child molesting heathens, just the bad ones" isn't exactly a neutral phrase.

That's like saying,

"Now I know not all TSO players are idiots . . ."

(And that is a very safe analogy for me to make - you could substitute any religious, ethnic, and other groups and any other stereotype or hoped-for stereotype and it would sound much more bigoted.)

Add to that the hostility level.

And speaking of hostility and intolerance, I'm not on any "cross" and nobody needs the wood. And I'm not your "honey."

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10-12-2005 02:07
You think it is an attack on Christians because you are being overly sensitive and defensive.

It was an important part of the story that the child molester was a Christian leader.

Why is it that one can point out that priests are molesting children but no one assumes you mean all priests?

You are just trying to find something to bitch about because you want some sort of religious persecution sympathy.

His JOB was a relevant part of the story.
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