Thanks ACLU: War Memorial To Be Torn Down

no i am saying that new religions are created daily and there is no way to keep track of them all, if it were just a matter of plugging plots into the machine it'd be easy but there are more things to it, for example you do realize there are "chaplans" for all the major religions in each branch of the service so that when ppl die they can have the "last rights" of their chosen beliefs, you have to look at the whole picture not just the headstones.

No, it's a FACT!

Ah! So, becasue we can't manage a chapailain for every religion, we should not allow families to purchace an etching. I get it now.. no, wait.. I don't.

Actually, no, no I don't. Since this particular sub-branch of this thread was about headstones.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Key words: Congress and Law

Congress has never passed a law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

No one has a right to not be offended.

yes, that is what i am saying. it is the way the DOD is oriented. then the other side is, if everyone wants an individual marker they are allowed to supply thier own. you are not REQUIRED to use the DOD issued marker which is pretty much unchanged since the Civil War. now heres the problem with that, your talking etching, but yall won't want the etching on a cross you will want a seperate marker design for each religion. thats the expensive part. and the DOD is not going to do a custom marker for each KIA they use the same cookie cutter design for all Muslims, Jews or Christians.

would you like to come up to my flat to see my etchings?

I think my spellchecker just had an aneurysm, right after my logicfinder started smoking.

The DOD has plain markers for etching (or not as the family sees fit) along with a cross, a star of david, and (I think) a crescent and star - your arugment goes POOF.

the etchings are on the standard markers as well oh and what is a plain marker? they all have to have a shape

The arlingon white cross is not the only design the government has ever used. The common government issue headstone is very generic:



It is only the etched cross, which does not have to be a cross, the government already offers something like 40 designs, which makes it Christian-themed. So, yes, the etching IS what we are talking about.

They can be purchased by the dirty dozen

Nice choice for the illustration! Two thumbs up.

Exactly. Its a plain headstone.

With the soldier's choice of something like 40 different religious icons etched on it, not just a cross. It does not have to be a cross, or even one of the 40 - it is as easy to etch one design on it as another.

Not to make this any more confusing, but my grandfather doesn't even have a headstone, you can get bronze placard type grave markers as well. So you have LOTS of choices!

not nessacarily that easy to etch say a feather due to detail, the designs are very simple no thrills and they already have the templates for them. the DOD won't shell out the money for an intricate etching on a headstone. now it sounds easy in theory but in practice it is simply not possible with the volume they do

Oi.

Family has opportunity to do it themselves. You really need to read the argumentts rather than try and justify exclusion of citizens (a.k.a. bigotry).

*shrug* To etch his own, I guess.

-Kiamat Dusk
PS: Kendra, you can't be Jewish. Communism doesn't allow for religion in any form.

We really should stop arguing about headstones and talk about the topic, don't ya think?



I'm thinking that guy just wants the memorial down all-together, since all attempts at selling the land have been blocked. This is the part I have the problem with.

and i was trying to start a fight?

now the family never gets the headstone, the DOD sets them at the grave site.
so your arguement just went poof

*facepalms*

By your own logic, however, its a tiny minority - no problem with volume to do one or two. Nobody, by the way, is dictating they be works of art - a feather doesn't have to be very complex.

This is precisely the sort of insanity that is polarizing the Left and Right in this country. The more people like this on either side win victories the farther people are going to retreat into the wings.

After episodes like this, and the removal of the cross in the LA seal, and other similar attacks on Christianity, I as a Christian find that I have run out of cheeks to turn. There are people in this country who will not be satisfied until our country is denuded of every sign of religion (read: Christianity) whether it being directly Christian or indirectly as in this case and I will not sit idly by and watch this happen.

-Kiamat Dusk

a feather would need changing depths to look right would it not? and where in my post did i say it would be a minority? one or 2? try hundreds per year, you do realize its not just the ppl who die in Iraq that are eligible to be buried in Arlington or wherever? anyone who ever served in the military is eligible. so and if everyone wanted a unique design on thiers you see the volume i am referring to? i would love to have a rebel flag on mine but i can't.

Kiamat that is basically my stance, just insert a southern drawl into it

I find it highly amusing the amount of information people derive from a simple emblem - most probably placed due to tradition, not as a "reminder" that whoever's not christian is not a citizen or whatever else. It's kinda like winking because you got something in your eye, and having the far end think that you're flirting.