You cannot have a single life form be two life forms, Kevn. Either it's one or it's two. At this point there are /not/ two life forms. And humans do not reproduce by direct cell division, so whatever splits to form a second lifeform cannot, by extension, be human.
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Kevn Klein
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08-28-2006 19:05
In the case of human reproduction, it can be 1, 2, 3 or more. My point is, hoping not to take a long side trip, once the sperm and egg unite there is new life. The number is irrelevant. That new life is absolutely human life. Each of those children are human. |
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Kevn Klein
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08-28-2006 19:10
Genius, the egg is implanted in the lining. If the lining comes out, so does the egg. I'm digging you up links. This is a hard search. I found a pro-life site that said it was 2/3rds, not 80%, but noone's got hard figures as a result of research. I keep finding planned parenthood and right-wing bullshit, even on Google, about how pregnancy before marriage destroys life and abortion is wrong. The concept is, the woman wouldn't know she is pregnant before her menstruation. Therefore, she wouldn't know she miscarried. |
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Cannae Brentano
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08-28-2006 19:17
Look, the statement "eighty percent or so of conceived eggs are still likely to be flushed with the next menstruation" suggests stats. Your doctor might agree with such a statement, but it would be his opinion, unless there is hard data to back it up. The truth is, if a woman has a miscarriage before implantation, it's nearly impossible to tell. And if they suspect such a thing I'll bet they don't carry a sampling of the blood to a doctor to verify it. If they don't, then it's just an opinion based on nothing but a hunch. Now that is just plain funny. For Kevn: Discover the rich history of menstruation and women's health on this Web site for the only museum in the world devoted to menstruation and selected topics of women's health! http://www.mum.org/ |
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Reitsuki Kojima
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08-28-2006 19:20
In the case of human reproduction, it can be 1, 2, 3 or more. My point is, hoping not to take a long side trip, once the sperm and egg unite there is new life. The number is irrelevant. That new life is absolutely human life. Each of those children are human. Ahhhh, but there are no humans yet. That's the point. Truth: There is new life. Yup. Also truth: Humans do not devide by simple cell division in the fashion that takes place when twins are formed. That is to say, one human can never become two humans. It just can't happen. To put a religious spin on it, a human has a soul - a soul is A soul. One soul. One life form does not have two souls. Therefor, while, yes, at conception there is new life, at conception and for some period after it is not yet -human- life. It's life drived from a human - there is a /very/ sharp difference between those two things. _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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08-28-2006 19:22
The concept is, the woman wouldn't know she is pregnant before her menstruation. Therefore, she wouldn't know she miscarried. Does ignorance negate reality, now? _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Allana Dion
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08-28-2006 20:22
Abortion has been around since the days of ancient egypt and likely before that with the use of herbs, medical procedures, potions, etc. It wasn't until the catholic church got involved in the 19th century that anyone ever thought it was anything more than a women's health concern. Then it became suddenly a sin and illegal in most places for about 90 years until the 1970s.
Do you think women suddenly stopped doing it for those 90 years? No, they just took greater risks to have it done. There are conflicting statistics for how many deaths and injuries occured due to illegal abortions. But the point is that the abortions still took place. So maybe the pro-life people will manage one day to get Roe V Wade overturned. It won't stop abortions from happening, it will only prevent women from getting the proper medical treatment and cause more dire consequences when they do. Before the catholic church got all up in arms about the subject, it was viewed as simply a women's issue. The government was not involved, religion was not involved. It came down to a choice decided only by the woman and her own concience. The bottom line is, no matter what laws get passed or not passed, no matter how much people try to insert their own views and scream and yell about it... at the end of the day, it is, has always been, and will always be a decision a woman makes for herself. _____________________
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Crissaegrim Clutterbuck
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08-28-2006 22:36
Hay-Seuss Fewking Kristi, the same mizrabble fewks arguing the same idolorotic points in the same egg noir ant manner, thread after thread, day after day, week after week. Taint knowledge, taint teh XtraCee of winning teh D'bait, itz teh dhrahatma3kubedspillyovuryoo.
Lindens, I repent! Put a gun to these morlocks' heads and puts them out of their mizzury. Close the fewking phoorums now!  |
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Corvus Drake
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08-29-2006 09:40
Does ignorance negate reality, now? According to some parts of the Bible, yes. People who never hear the message, and are never given opportunity to choose God, are judged by their works in accordance with the old law. So I could see that applying to Kevn's logic. Which would, essentially, mean that spreading Christianity is a perverse form of spiritual extortion but that's another argument entirely. _____________________
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