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Kendra Bancroft
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08-06-2006 14:11
haha So I used the word, so what? I throw that word around alot. And who's trying to silence who now? Here's the essence of why I posted: I'm not trying to silence you. I'm trying to get you banned from the forums for being an admitted troll. _____________________
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Garoad Kuroda
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08-06-2006 14:12
You said the left uses to Cindy Sheehan's pain to silence opposition. I pointed out that it doesn't seem to have silenced you. Are you that thick? "Uses Cindy Sheehan's pain to silence opposition"? No, I don't know where you're getting that from. The left is using them to get their political message across. It's not about silencing, it's about attention grabbing. _____________________
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS! |
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Juro Kothari
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08-06-2006 14:12
Do you really think she's the only mother that disagrees with or disbelieves the motivations for the Iraq war? Where are the other mothers of the fallen soliders? Are they all out protesting outside of Bush's ranch too? No, I think they understand that to do what she does would be political exploitation of the death of their children. (Children who likely, would disagree with protests like this.) And of course, most other mothers are normal, while this woman must have something mentally wrong with her. I feel bad for her actually, because apparently she somehow actually thinks that her son would be proud... I think most mothers lack the cojones that she has. Most definately for all the mothers who feel exactly like she does, but can't be bothered to show how angry they are over the whole mess. _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-06-2006 14:14
"Uses Cindy Sheehan's pain to silence opposition"? No, I don't know where you're getting that from. The left is using them to get their political message across. It's not about silencing, it's about attention grabbing. You wrote this yes? Yet, it's only her name you ever see. Why is that? I don't believe in giving someone a free pass to do anything they want for an indefinite period of time because they experienced a loss. The anti-war left seems to be taking advantage of this "untouchability", is it not? And she's letting them do it. I think you wingnuts forget that what you say is recorded. it's okay --Bill O'Reilly does it too. _____________________
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Garoad Kuroda
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08-06-2006 14:18
I'm not trying to silence you. I'm trying to get you banned from the forums for being an admitted troll. And even if an actual meaningful debate fit the definition of "trolling", discouraged != bannable offense.  To quote your past wording, it's a little "dense" of you not to realize I was joking. I call people trolls all the time. If you want to be that petty, oh well. Ban me please! In fact, I volunteer to be banned. I like trying new things anyway! haha _____________________
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS! |
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Rick Deckard
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08-06-2006 14:19
...a few freaks...wing nuts...Where are the other mothers of the fallen soliders?...most other mothers are normal, while this woman must have something mentally wrong with her...I don't see Pat Tillman's family out there in counter protests... _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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08-06-2006 14:20
Garoad - what's the big deal? She's angry over the loss of her son in a war that she doesn't believe in and that is unjust and illegal. She's angry and vocal. The other anti-war activists are also angry and vocal.
I don't see what the issue is. She's a free thinker and she's well within her right to speak out. Are you this angry with M.A.D.D as well? _____________________
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Matt Newchurch
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08-06-2006 14:21
If you want to be that petty, oh well. Ban me please! In fact, I volunteer to be banned. I like trying new things anyway! haha  _____________________
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Garoad Kuroda
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08-06-2006 14:24
You wrote this yes? Oh I see what you're talking about. You're taking the statement wrong. I'm not accusing "the left" of that. I was talking about people such as the ones on this forum who knee-jerk defend Sheehan, using the "grief argument". Actually it's nice that the mainstream left hasn't played that card afaik. _____________________
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS! |
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-06-2006 14:32
Oh I see what you're talking about. You're taking the statement wrong. I'm not accusing "the left" of that. I was talking about people such as the ones on this forum who knee-jerk defend Sheehan, using the "grief argument". Actually it's nice that the mainstream left hasn't played that card afaik. But she is in grief. And she simply wants to know "For what noble cause did my son die?" The President of the USA either can't or won't answer it --can you? _____________________
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Garoad Kuroda
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08-06-2006 14:33
Garoad - what's the big deal? She's angry over the loss of her son in a war that she doesn't believe in and that is unjust and illegal. She's angry and vocal. The other anti-war activists are also angry and vocal. I don't see what the issue is. She's a free thinker and she's well within her right to speak out. Are you this angry with M.A.D.D as well? I have nothing against M.A.D.D., of course. I'll try one more time to clarify what the issue is. Her son did not feel the way she does, as far as I am aware. In fact he felt so differently that he was killed fighting for his differing views. Now Cindy is taking advantage of the publicity she gained from his death to push an alternative political message that he almost certainly would be against. I don't see how this can be dismissed as ethical, by any explanation. Sure she has rights to express her views, but she also has the responsibility not to use her son's death as an opportunity to get massive media attention spreading opinions he would not have agreed with. _____________________
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS! |
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Garoad Kuroda
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08-06-2006 14:34
But she is in grief. And she simply wants to know "For what noble cause did my son die?" The President of the USA either can't or won't answer it --can you? It has been explained countless times, and always rejected or ignored as lies. Why bother repeating such things? _____________________
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS! |
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Matt Newchurch
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08-06-2006 14:36
It has been explained countless times, and always rejected or ignored as lies. Why bother repeating such things? _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-06-2006 14:38
I have nothing against M.A.D.D., of course. I'll try one more time to clarify what the issue is. Her son did not feel the way she does, as far as I am aware.. According to Ms. Sheehan, her son felt exactly as she did. It might help if you read her book "Not another Mother's Child" In fact he felt so differently that he was killed fighting for his differing views. He was killed protecting his buddies in the midst of a war he didn't believe in. Now Cindy is taking advantage of the publicity she gained from his death to push an alternative political message that he almost certainly would be against. From conversations I've had with Cindy, Her son would be proud of her actions, and would have agreed with her stance. Did you know her son better than she? I don't see how this can be dismissed as ethical, by any explanation. Of course not. You set up a false premise. Sure she has rights to express her views, but she also has the responsibility not to use her son's death as an opportunity to get massive media attention spreading opinions he would not have agreed with. Again. You don't know that to be the case. At any rate Casey is dead. Killed for greed. _____________________
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Juro Kothari
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08-06-2006 14:38
I have nothing against M.A.D.D., of course. I'll try one more time to clarify what the issue is. Her son did not feel the way she does, as far as I am aware. In fact he felt so differently that he was killed fighting for his differing views. Now Cindy is taking advantage of the publicity she gained from his death to push an alternative political message that he almost certainly would be against. I don't see how this can be dismissed as ethical, by any explanation. Sure she has rights to express her views, but she also has the responsibility not to use her son's death as an opportunity to get massive media attention spreading opinions he would not have agreed with. I disagree. I think she has every right to do so, whether her son would agree or not. People on both sides of the debate over the war use the death of their children to further a political stance. _____________________
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Sexy Partridge
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08-06-2006 14:39
I have nothing against M.A.D.D., of course. I'll try one more time to clarify what the issue is. Her son did not feel the way she does, as far as I am aware. In fact he felt so differently that he was killed fighting for his differing views. Now Cindy is taking advantage of the publicity she gained from his death to push an alternative political message that he almost certainly would be against. How do you know her son didn't feel this way? do you think that all servicemen are please and honored to be there fighting in this war? They signed up, they are doing their job. There are plenty of our servicemen that are against this war, but they follow orders. |
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-06-2006 14:39
It has been explained countless times, and always rejected or ignored as lies. Why bother repeating such things? No it hasn't. It has never been answered. What noble cause did Casey Sheehan die for? _____________________
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Garoad Kuroda
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08-06-2006 14:39
Does everyone have to think alike in your world? Is there any room for initiative, individuality, dissent, thinking outside the box? I don't think there is. You won't believe this, but I don't have a problem with reasonable disagreements, and there's plenty of people on these forums that I've had civil discussions with... even if we came to different conclusions. This isn't about her right to have a differing opinion--it's about taking advantage of the media coverage that her son's death obtained for her to get that opinion across. Okay, if this doesn't get the point across, I don't know what will-- even if she were a flag waving, pro-war, die hard pro-Bush supporter, her actions would still be unethical. _____________________
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS! |
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-06-2006 14:44
You won't believe this, but I don't have a problem with reasonable disagreements, and there's plenty of people on these forums that I've had civil discussions with... even if we came to different conclusions. This isn't about her right to have a differing opinion--it's about taking advantage of the media coverage that her son's death obtained for her to get that opinion across. Okay, if this doesn't get the point across, I don't know what will-- even if she were a flag waving, pro-war, die hard pro-Bush supporter, her actions would still be unethical. I diagree with your premise. SHE lost her son. SHE has every right to say whatever she wants about it. Are you okay with Bush trotting out 9-11 everytime he wants to make a point? He didn't lose a single loved one in that as far as I know. What about any of these jingoist fascists that drag out 9-11 everytime they want to make their political points? Did they lose anyone? Do you think every single soul of the 3,000 lost agrees with Bush's illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq? Keep in mind that NYC residents were overwhelmingly opposed to even having Bush installed as President. _____________________
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Garoad Kuroda
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08-06-2006 14:45
According to Ms. Sheehan, her son felt exactly as she did. It might help if you read her book "Not another Mother's Child" Heh, a book huh. Maybe I should rest my case now. He re-enlisted after the Iraq war started--actions speak louder than words. WHY would he do this? _____________________
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS! |
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Kendra Bancroft
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08-06-2006 14:47
Heh, a book huh. Maybe I should rest my case now. He re-enlisted after the Iraq war started--actions speak louder than words. WHY would he do this? To help his buddies. Der. _____________________
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Garoad Kuroda
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08-06-2006 14:54
I diagree with your premise. SHE lost her son. SHE has every right to say whatever she wants about it. Are you okay with Bush trotting out 9-11 everytime he wants to make a point? He didn't lose a single loved one in that as far as I know. What about any of these jingoist fascists that drag out 9-11 everytime they want to make their political points? Did they lose anyone? Do you think every single soul of the 3,000 lost agrees with Bush's illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq? Keep in mind that NYC residents were overwhelmingly opposed to even having Bush installed as President. At this point I do feel like it would be wrong to bring up 9-11 out of the blue to support some unrelated point, yes. And I'm sick of hearing about 9-11. It is slightly different though--they didn't die fighting for a cause that the "jingoist fascists" are against. It still can be exploited, but what Cindy Sheehan is doing is even worse. _____________________
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS! |
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Garoad Kuroda
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08-06-2006 14:57
To help his buddies. Der. I guess "his opinion" wasn't very strong then. After all you don't go out to KILL PEOPLE for something you are strongly against huh. So he enlisted during a war he opposed, knowing he'd be sent there to kill for something he did not believe in, so he could help his friends in the military? Mhmm... nah, I don't buy it. _____________________
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS! |
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Garoad Kuroda
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08-06-2006 15:08
I disagree. I think she has every right to do so, whether her son would agree or not. People on both sides of the debate over the war use the death of their children to further a political stance. Tell you what--just since I know you're pretty reasonable, I'll go ahead and think about the whole thing some more. I doubt I'll be changing my view 180 degrees, but maybe there's room for a little more tolerance than I'm currently willing to give. _____________________
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS! |
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Juro Kothari
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08-06-2006 15:09
Heh, a book huh. Maybe I should rest my case now. He re-enlisted after the Iraq war started--actions speak louder than words. WHY would he do this? Come on, Garoad.. there are several reasons to re-enlist, even if you are not in favor of the war: continued education, a love of the military (but not necessarily the war), career, blah, blah, blah. _____________________
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