All your womb are belong to us

Incorrect. I see macro-evolution as a faith rather than a science. Now do you understand?

Yes, i understand. Kevn sees some science as religion and some religion as science. But not all of either.

Incorrect once again. No wonder Zuzu is so confused about my point of view. She places words in my mouth. I have always said religion is by faith.

I absolutely love how you can only read what you want to read.

After the first tri-mester there are all sorts of other considerations. So they should be a bit harder to get (than the first tri-mester), unless the mother's life is in danger. Though I'm not suggesting women go willy-nilly and get an abortion every chance they get which you seem to think is my opinion.

And you never answered my question about helping prevent abortions.

So are you for denying the right to abortion after the first trimester or not. You agreed with Zuzu, who said she is for "Safe and legal abortion when requested in the first trimester, including counseling both before and after for as long as needed. (with good sex education, this should become a more rare occurance)".

Either you support a woman's right to control her body or you don't. Please tell us if you do.

Notice Zuzu didn't say ONLY in the first tri-mester.

Mostly I've avoided these discussions for the last 20 years or so because they are unresolvable. Nothing that you say can change Kevin's mind that he is right. And nothing he says will change anything anyone else thinks either.

Since I avoid wrestling with greased pigs whenever possible, I'm going to go make lunch and contemplate something useful, like making sure my opinion count for more in the next election... and putting some more of my $$ where my values are.

Lunch by the way is grilled pork chops, curried cauliflower, and a tossed green salad with fresh crumbled blue cheese.

She said she supports "Safe and legal abortion when requested in the first trimester". That is what she said she supports.

Yup, I came to that conclusion long ago.

And didn't go any further, which leaves room for the other 6 months to be debated, it seems.

People, look up the logical fallacy called "false dillema".

Read the examples given.

Then read Kevn's posts.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/false-dilemma.html
http://www2.sjsu.edu/depts/itl/graphics/adhom/dilemma.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

A false dilemma is when a person offers only two choices when others exist. We all know that.

Yup.

You haven't really given us any choice but "killing children is wrong"

Now show an example of my post creating a false delemma. "Yup" hardly makes your point.

It's a statement, not a choice. lol

Thats just a page or so back. I'm not even going to go into to the ID debates for proof.

Let me pose this question to you then, Kevn:

Are you FOR or AGAINST killing children?

That's a fair question. Do you support a woman's right to control her body unconditionally or not? It's not a false dilemma at all.

There is no in-between, you either believe a woman has absolute control over her body or not.

If you draw a line anywhere during pregnancy you are saying "no, she doesn't have absolute control."

What is your answer to that question, BTW?

Against. Even in war. Children should be protected in every case, at all costs.

So you're against women having absolute control over their bodies then? Cause that's kinda what abortion entails.

Uhh, yeah.

... hence my title to this thread. Kevn really does think "all your womb are belong to us." Creepy.

You didn't say unconditionally. That's an entierly different can of worms.