Burden of proof lies with they that assert.
Yes, those who assert there is no creator to this creation should be forced to prove life appeared by accident.
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Kevn Klein
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10-21-2005 12:14
Burden of proof lies with they that assert. Yes, those who assert there is no creator to this creation should be forced to prove life appeared by accident. |
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Kendra Bancroft
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10-21-2005 12:15
Show me a watch that man didn't create and I'll believe watches might have created man.  This watch is the original source from which comes all life. The Holy Watch did will existance to come into being so that it could this day exist. Granted, this is but an image of His Watchiness -- and you cannot from this image discern all His purpose. _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
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10-21-2005 12:17
Yes, those who assert there is no creator to this creation should be forced to prove life appeared by accident. I don't accept your premise that this is a "creation". All I see is a vast chaotic soup. _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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10-21-2005 12:18
This watch is the original source from which comes all life. The Holy Watch did will existance to come into being so that it could this day exist. Granted, this is but an image of His Watchiness -- and you cannot from this image discern all His purpose. Thanks, I recognize the mark, they also make nice god-knives  |
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Kevn Klein
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10-21-2005 12:20
I don't accept your premise that this is a "creation". All I see is a vast chaotic soup. All is in perfect harmony, workng together better than a swiss-made pocket watch. Far more complicated than a watch. A single cell is millions of times more complex than a watch. |
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Chip Midnight
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10-21-2005 12:22
Yes, those who assert there is no creator to this creation should be forced to prove life appeared by accident. I agree. Good thing that's one of the things science is working hard to prove. Through science our understanding of life and the universe has expanded thousand-fold over the last few thousand years. I also think that creationists should be forced to prove the existence of their intelligent designer. How's that been going? What new discoveries has religion made again?  _____________________
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Ananda Sandgrain
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10-21-2005 12:23
I don't think the watch line of argument would make a case for creation. There are countless organisms that have a time-keeping mechanism as part of their basic operation.
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Kendra Bancroft
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10-21-2005 12:25
All is in perfect harmony, workng together better than a swiss-made pocket watch. Far more complicated than a watch. A single cell is millions of times more complex than a watch. False premise. ALL is not in harmony. Seeing harmony and patterns is a trick of your human mind. _____________________
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Chance Abattoir
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10-21-2005 12:31
I'm sorry if anyone read into this (because it clearly does not state it openly) that it was in any way a highly structured scientific experiment. If I'd known I had to file for my dissertation and get peer reviewed I would not have even bothered trying to engage in a little fun experimentation. Sure enough though, I'm sure in following posts I prolly insinuated that, but only after I started getting the run around. Thanks, and sorry for not following the scientic method. Y'all can go about your business. -Ghoti < I'm fairly certain the scientists will agree a consensus reality exists from which to run this experiment. -Ghoti < What??? No takers?? The scientists are letting me down. -Ghoti insinuated? Prolly not.   _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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10-21-2005 12:33
False premise. ALL is not in harmony. Seeing harmony and patterns is a trick of your human mind. Kendra, ecosystems require perfect harmony. |
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Kendra Bancroft
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10-21-2005 12:34
Kendra, ecosystems require perfect harmony. No they don't. _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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10-21-2005 12:42
No they don't. Yes they do, tag, you're it! |
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Chance Abattoir
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10-21-2005 12:44
"I don't understand what's beyond the microwave background therefore god exists."  DESTROY ALL MALFUNCTIONING ROBOTS! _____________________
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Chance Abattoir
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10-21-2005 12:48
Yes they do, tag, you're it!  _____________________
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Aliasi Stonebender
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10-21-2005 12:55
"There is no God!" is the most untestable theory of all. Of course. You cannot prove a negative; there just might be an invisible intangible pink unicorn in your garage. That's why we only prove positives - with the specific and limited case of courts of law, and the purpose for the "reasonable doubt" clause (in the US, at least). That said, "There is a God" is a pretty darn hard theory to test, too. _____________________
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Ghoti Nyak
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10-21-2005 12:58
insinuated? Prolly not. I still fail to see where I stated this experiment was meant to be a highly structured event. I do see a couple quotes where I'm hectoring trying to get a response. Very interesting graphic. Looks like it came from the Watchtower. Can't we all just get along?  -Ghoti _____________________
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Chance Abattoir
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10-21-2005 13:11
That said, "There is a God" is a pretty darn hard theory to test, too. It's right there in the Bible. Are you telling me Moses split the seas by himself? _____________________
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Desmond Shang
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10-21-2005 13:13
My point in all this... It takes more faith to believe everything you see was an came about due to huge accident than it does to believe there is a creator. I will not suggest you are ignorant for your beliefs. But please remember, we are talking beliefs, not facts when discussing the notion of a creator. Claiming to know the truth either way is an act of faith. You believe there is no God is the honest statement. I would disagree. Since you say you see plain evidence of God in the leaf and the child, both yourself and the atheists are applying reason and logical inference, even while drawing different conclusions. I would ask you - is that truly faith on anyone's part? Likely, I would guess your faith stems from somewhere else. As it should, because if scientific explanations were to show no evidence of God but fully explain leaves, babies and so forth, would you abandon your faith? I am guessing you would not. This is a very honest, sincere question, something to think about even if you don't answer it here. However, most atheists I know would likely board the Jesus train after a few convincing miracles, whatever their current claims might be. |
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Aliasi Stonebender
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10-21-2005 13:19
Very interesting graphic. Looks like it came from the Watchtower. This didn't, but what the hey. _____________________
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Ananda Sandgrain
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10-21-2005 13:20
However, most atheists I know would likely board the Jesus train after a few convincing miracles, whatever their current claims might be. Not unless they are reproducible in the laboratory. _____________________
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Chance Abattoir
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10-21-2005 13:21
I still fail to see where I stated this experiment was meant to be a highly structured event. Okay, I concede. Hectoring "scientists" to participate in an experiment could in no way make your target audience think that your experiment should have something to do with science. You win.  _____________________
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Chance Abattoir
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10-21-2005 13:23
This didn't, but what the hey. Ironclad pussycat? That's hot. _____________________
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Chip Midnight
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10-21-2005 13:25
Not unless they are reproducible in the laboratory. Miracles are a purely religious notion. What is a miracle but something that seems extraordinary that can't be explained? I just call that the unexplained. If I knew that a god caused it then it would no longer be unexplained, and hence no longer miraculous. _____________________
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Desmond Shang
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10-21-2005 13:26
Not unless they are reproducible in the laboratory. What would Jesus do, in the (best Mel Brooks voice) Laaaboratory? |
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Ghoti Nyak
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10-21-2005 13:28
This didn't, but what the hey. OMG that so cool!!! -Ghoti _____________________
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