Irish company claim to invent free energy

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/48886/Irish_Company_Challenges_Scientists_To_Test_Free_Energy_Technology.html

"What we have developed is a way to construct magnetic fields so that when you travel round the magnetic fields, starting and stopping at the same position, you have gained energy," McCarthy said.

"The energy isn't being converted from any other source such as the energy within the magnet. It's literally created. Once the technology operates it provides a constant stream of clean energy," he told Ireland's RTE radio.

o.O great.. this could well be one of the most important inventions we ever make, and all you say is TANSTAAFL? well if its true the free lunch for the oil giants could soon be over.

Is this supposed to be one of those ZPE things people go on about occasionally? That's been the holy grail (both in its potential value and the unlikeliness of ever realizing it) of alternative energy for quite some time.

Still, it would be interesting to see it tested. Make no mistake ... if it works, it won't hurt the oil giants, as they will either crush it like a bug or buy up the technology and sell access to it themselves.

And the likelyhood that the whole thing is so much bullshit: 99.999 percent.

""For the first six months that we looked at it we literally didn't believe it ourselves. Over the last three years it had been rigorously tested in our own laboratories, in independent laboratories and so on," he said.

"But we have been unable to get significant scientific interest in it. We have had scientists come in, test it and, off the record, they are quite happy to admit that it works."



thats utterly depressing to think about..

Heh.

The number of people that can't properly measure an electromagnetic field, but think they can, is pretty high.




Here's a thought for all the 'energy created from nothing' folks.

If there ever *were* such processes in nature, how come we aren't being blinded, baked or fried by them right now?

Very subtle things, such as radioactive decay have kept the Earth warm instead of a deep-frozen iceball.

Nuclear fusion due to gravitational pressure in the sun, 93m miles away can uncomfortably burn your skin in several minutes.

If there was some 'free energy creating process' resulting from magnetic fields, I wonder what the Earth's EM field would do to us... the brilliant flash as our planet created runaway energy would only be overshadowed by Jupiter's, or the sun's itself...

In other words, "Take our word for it, it works! We have no proof though."

Welcome to the real world.

Actually, you should be so lucky (for it to be legitimate and bought up by the oil companies). You're more dependent on energy, and yes, on the oil giants, than you'd ever like to think.

not at all.

"Steorn issued its challenge through an advertisement in the Economist magazine this week quoting Ireland's Nobel prize-winning author George Bernard Shaw who said that "all great truths begin as blasphemies,

Sean McCarthy, Steorn's chief executive officer, said they had issued the challenge for 12 physicists to rigorously test the technology so it can be developed."

No part of that equates to "proof".

Although I'm extremely far from saying that I believe this is legitimate (there have been plenty of fakes already), it's my personal opinion that the wisest people acknowledge the limits of their competence in a field, and even those who are well-versed reserve judgement when a claim -- with supposedly reproduceable results -- is made until they've first attempted to verify said claim themselves.

I won't hesitate to consider this whole thing unlikely, but I'm disinclined to dismiss it entirely out of hand.

found there lil promo video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1784833525509845733&sourceid=docidfeed&hl=en

Richie, on the other side of that coin, I wouldn't get too excited about this too quickly. Speaking as someone who admittedly lacks the technical competence to judge these kinds of "technofixes" but who has been following the energy issue for a little while now, I can tell you at least that this is hardly the first claim of a "free energy" machine.

As the energy crisis looms ever nearer, and as we ironically squander it all even faster in our mad dash to hoard the remaining oil and natural gas through military conquest, these kinds of claims stand to become ever more frequent, I think.

Their "claim" seems to be that they can get enough energy to turn the rotor, out of the act of turning the rotor, and still have a surplus.

Which violates more than a couple laws.

Hey Im not trying to have you on O.O;; I just read this on a blog, googled it, and found it posted about everywhere, slashdot and yahoo ect.. so I posted it..

Im not saying I think its a 100% fact that it works, Im just pointing people to it, I think its related to our current forum banter.. Im an optimist on this one.. not like my heart will break if Im wrong.

According to Wikipedia, perpetual motion machines have been reported as far back as the 8th century....

laws as we understand them Reituki, we have been proven wrong in the past, and its nieve to think we wont be again.

In principle, I agree with you, Richie, that it's always possible to learn something new that forces us to rethink the way the world works. However, I'll say it again: these kinds of claims are not new.

Could it be legitimate? Yes.

Is it likely that it's legitimate? Definitely not.

Just as there's a fine line between maintaining a healthy amount of skepticism and having a completely closed mind, so too there is a fine line between keeping your mind open and being gullible.

Good old perpetual motion/free energy, if only, if ony.

Sorry, but no dice. It does give rise to some amusing websites like this one:

My believe is that the Second law of thermodynamics is no more than a meme. However I never seen or heard of proof of a working machine that violates the Second law.

http://home.wanadoo.nl/perpetual/


Claims of perpetual motion has been around a long time, here's a short list on a site I found.

http://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html

Here's a website that explains why it can't ever happen. Then again, so does high school physics.


Why this Site?
"Perpetual Motion? What a foolish notion! Only cranks and crackpots think such a thing is possible; only fools are interested in such things." That's the reaction of many people, and most scientists. But let's consider the matter by looking at the long history of this subject and its relation to science.

The notion of perpetual motion is interesting from the perspective of history of science and technology, for it illustrates both the search for a perfect machine and the development of our modern understanding of the energy principle in physics. Besides, perpetual motion machines and their inventors provide a case study of human psychology: ingenuity, persistence, optimism and fanatism, even in the face of repeated failures.

http://www.hp-gramatke.net/perpetuum/

Here's the acid test.

"Oil Companies" notwithstanding, when I see a McFusion fruit-juicer for sale at WalMart for $13.99, I'll start believing in that kind of thing.

Anyone remember www.blacklightpower.com ?

Heh.


High energy physics degree here from a University of California school, 1987.

Yeah, these things can be tested and shot down, but they pop up so frequently it's kind of like having the biology department answer each and every anti-evolutionist.

After a while, it's more important just to get back to real physics and real biology, and leave the burden of proof to those who are trying to convince.

The Amazing Randi mentions this very device in a recent newsletter.

I'll believe in this process when it drives a car. Until then, I'll consign it to the bullshit bin where it belongs.

The trouble with the Amazing Randi is that he himself is a fraud and a quack.

Fortunately, I don't need that goof to tell me to talk claims of free energy with a grain of salt, as I already knew.

steorn about : History

For many years Steorn has developed technology to help combat counterfeiting and fraud in the plastic card and optical disc industries.

Steorn is a word translating as 'to guide, direct and manage'.

The company has been instrumental in the development of core technologies that address counterfeit crime in areas such as plastic card fraud and optical disc fraud. The company has also provided forensic and expert witness services to British, Irish and international law enforcement agencies.

sounds like R&D to me o.O