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Roxie Marten

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08-24-2006 09:38

I have posed nude and shot nudes as a photographer.
As the other posters have said there is nothing sexual about it.
When I was in high school our photography classroom was chocked full of
photo magazines with naked people in them. I am damm glad those puritans
were not in charge of my school.

In closing I would like lead the crowd in rousing chourus of that worn out and tired mantra that is invoked in matters like this.

WE HAVE TO SAVE THE CHILDREN

*bullshit*

Rox

Zuzu Fassbinder

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08-24-2006 09:40

From: Joy Honey

Sorry for the derail there too. It just amazes me how prudish the US is. God forbid you see a naked body.

The fear of nudity seems to be linked with the high incidence of obesity. I won't speculate on cause and effect, but only note the seeming correlation.

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08-24-2006 10:07

From: Joy Honey

I just read something today that really really disturbed me. I'm sure many of you have seen the picture of the Vietnamese children running away from their village after a napalm attack. One little girl is naked. She had taken her clothes off because they were on fire. The guy who took the picture took her to the hospital immediately after taking the picture. Anyway... there is a warning at Wikipedia - with a footnote as to why:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phan_Th%E1%BB%8B_Kim_Ph%C3%BAc

This really boggles my mind.

This picture was shown on British TV not so long ago as shown in the wiki, while showing the war in Vietnam for the atrocity it was, i think the US administration have got their wires crossed somwhere along the lines but thats what you get when you get a fundamentalist christian running the country, also what better way to hide the horror of that picture than to dress it up with some pedo clap trap.

The woman in question seemed a very intelligent person on the documentary and discussed the scene with the reporter, its just a shame the US government want to hide it, but then they are good at that, they are very decietful imho

Peace

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Musuko Massiel

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08-24-2006 11:34

Hmm...

America has a culture where exposing youngsters to violence is okay, but exposing them to sexuality is not.

America also has a problem with young people turning to violence at an age when they experience the most powerful sexual urges they are likely to feel in their lives.

I wonder if there's a connection. *ponders*.

Musuko.

Alex Fitzsimmons

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08-24-2006 17:11

From: Chip Midnight

Sexuality and sexual desire are universal which makes it a very convenient human emotion to exploit. Making people ashamed of their sexuality is just as sexually exploitative as using scantily clad teens to market your wares. It's easy to convince people that they're bad and need to atone (by subjugating to some outside influence, or perhaps buying indulgances) if you criminalize the most innate human desire. Once they're subjugated you're going to want to use them to smite your enemies so it'd be a good idea to desensitize them to violence (like say, hanging witches in the town square, or showing a lot of crime dramas - bonus points if you make them afraid of "others" at the same time).

You've basically described part of 1984.

Then again, you've also described the United States ...

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08-24-2006 17:33

From: Alex Fitzsimmons

You've basically described part of 1984.

Then again, you've also described the United States ...

Orwell and Huxley were brilliant, though I don't think either of them got it quite right ... or, maybe more accurately, they were both right.

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jrrdraco Oe

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08-24-2006 17:45

We all know that even being a teacher cannot yiff in the class.

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Alex Fitzsimmons

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08-24-2006 18:09

From: Chip Midnight

Orwell and Huxley were brilliant, though I don't think either of them got it quite right ... or, maybe more accurately, they were both right.

Orwell got it partly right, but the totalitarianism he envisioned was much less subtle and insidious than the kind that actually took over. Additionally, in his reality, capitalists were disposed of by the people who took over rather than being the people who took over.

However, he had it right in a general sense.

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08-24-2006 18:37

From: Alex Fitzsimmons

Orwell got it partly right, but the totalitarianism he envisioned was much less subtle and insidious than the kind that actually took over. Additionally, in his reality, capitalists were disposed of by the people who took over rather than being the people who took over.

However, he had it right in a general sense.

Agreed. He was certainly spot on about the manipulation of language and the power of sloganeering.

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Tod69 Talamasca

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08-25-2006 04:28

From: Coyote Momiji

I posed a lot for life drawing classes (hey, ten bucks an hour is ten bucks an hour). It was about the least tittillating work I can imagine that involves taking your clothes off in front of a bunch of strangers.

My fiance has done that. It's not a sexually exciting thing for her either. She finds it boring and cramped sitting still for 1-2 hours at a time.

Ok, so she did find out 2 guys had to "leave early" to take care of "something", but they were young guys and my fiance is Smoking Hot to begin with.

Other than that, the rest of them sat there, drew, sketched, painted, etc.

Billybob Goodliffe

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08-25-2006 04:37

From: Vivianne Draper

Wow. just wow. I mean nudes are .. CENTURIES old studies. wow.

Just shows you men have always been perverts

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Arthax Bachman

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08-25-2006 12:45

From: Chosen Few

You gotta be kidding me. This is outrageous. Just when I thought this country couldn't sink any lower, suspending a teacher for recommending the type of classes that have been going on for centuries.

I took my first figure drawing class with live nude models when I was 13 years old. Like all 13 yr olds, I was a horny little bastard, of course, but believe me, those classes were anything but sexually stimulating. I've taken hundreds of them since, and it's the same story every time. Whether it's a hot chick who looks like she just stepped out of the pages of playboy, or a fat hairy old man, it's all the same. Artistic study is artistic study, and I have yet to attend a class where any student (of any age) appears to be aroused by what's going on. It's just not that type of thing.

Let those kids see decapatations on the news, but god forbid, they ever encounter a nipple and the world might end. Please.

Hah, my school wouldn't have dreamed of having something like that, and I never expected them to. You got nude women, we got fruit and a fat boy (clothed, thankfully) reading a newspaper!

I've seen foreign commercials and the difference between what's allowed in the US and in Europe is striking.
Here's just one example of something that Europe has on regular network tv, that you'll never see in the US: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfa4efPEp3U

I live in Hawaii, btw. One of, if not the, most left-wing states in the US, so I think political spectrum has little, if anything to do with this.

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08-25-2006 15:17

From: Caranda Schreiner

its OK for children to watch tens of thousands of graphic simulated murders on TV but God forbid they should ever have to draw a nipple!

From: Joy Honey

It just amazes me how prudish the US is. God forbid you see a naked body.

Ahhh, you're starting to figure out the people who are most up in arms about these things.

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Help US teacher suspended for suggesting life drawing classes
Roxie Marten Crumedgeon Join date: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 291	08-24-2006 09:38 I have posed nude and shot nudes as a photographer. As the other posters have said there is nothing sexual about it. When I was in high school our photography classroom was chocked full of photo magazines with naked people in them. I am damm glad those puritans were not in charge of my school. In closing I would like lead the crowd in rousing chourus of that worn out and tired mantra that is invoked in matters like this. WE HAVE TO SAVE THE CHILDREN bullshit Rox
Zuzu Fassbinder Little Miss No Tomorrow Join date: 17 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,048	08-24-2006 09:40 From: Joy Honey Sorry for the derail there too. It just amazes me how prudish the US is. God forbid you see a naked body. The fear of nudity seems to be linked with the high incidence of obesity. I won't speculate on cause and effect, but only note the seeming correlation. _____________________ From: Bud I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.
Lord Sullivan DTC at all times :) Join date: 15 Dec 2005 Posts: 2,870	08-24-2006 10:07 From: Joy Honey I just read something today that really really disturbed me. I'm sure many of you have seen the picture of the Vietnamese children running away from their village after a napalm attack. One little girl is naked. She had taken her clothes off because they were on fire. The guy who took the picture took her to the hospital immediately after taking the picture. Anyway... there is a warning at Wikipedia - with a footnote as to why: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phan_Th%E1%BB%8B_Kim_Ph%C3%BAc This really boggles my mind. This picture was shown on British TV not so long ago as shown in the wiki, while showing the war in Vietnam for the atrocity it was, i think the US administration have got their wires crossed somwhere along the lines but thats what you get when you get a fundamentalist christian running the country, also what better way to hide the horror of that picture than to dress it up with some pedo clap trap. The woman in question seemed a very intelligent person on the documentary and discussed the scene with the reporter, its just a shame the US government want to hide it, but then they are good at that, they are very decietful imho Peace _____________________ Independent Shopping for Second Life residents from established and new merchants. http://slapt.me slapt.me - In-World HQ http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bastet/123/118/26
Musuko Massiel Registered User Join date: 4 Nov 2005 Posts: 435	08-24-2006 11:34 Hmm... America has a culture where exposing youngsters to violence is okay, but exposing them to sexuality is not. America also has a problem with young people turning to violence at an age when they experience the most powerful sexual urges they are likely to feel in their lives. I wonder if there's a connection. ponders. Musuko.
Alex Fitzsimmons Resu Deretsiger Join date: 28 Dec 2004 Posts: 1,605	08-24-2006 17:11 From: Chip Midnight Sexuality and sexual desire are universal which makes it a very convenient human emotion to exploit. Making people ashamed of their sexuality is just as sexually exploitative as using scantily clad teens to market your wares. It's easy to convince people that they're bad and need to atone (by subjugating to some outside influence, or perhaps buying indulgances) if you criminalize the most innate human desire. Once they're subjugated you're going to want to use them to smite your enemies so it'd be a good idea to desensitize them to violence (like say, hanging witches in the town square, or showing a lot of crime dramas - bonus points if you make them afraid of "others" at the same time). You've basically described part of 1984. Then again, you've also described the United States ... _____________________ "Whatever the astronomers finally decide, I think Xena should be considered the enemy planet." - io Kukalcan
Chip Midnight ate my baby! Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 10,231	08-24-2006 17:33 From: Alex Fitzsimmons You've basically described part of 1984. Then again, you've also described the United States ... Orwell and Huxley were brilliant, though I don't think either of them got it quite right ... or, maybe more accurately, they were both right. _____________________ My other hobby: www.live365.com/stations/chip_midnight
jrrdraco Oe Insanity Fair Join date: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 372	08-24-2006 17:45 We all know that even being a teacher cannot yiff in the class. _____________________ -- Linux Specs: http://www.immerdrauf.com/jrrhack/specs.txt
Alex Fitzsimmons Resu Deretsiger Join date: 28 Dec 2004 Posts: 1,605	08-24-2006 18:09 From: Chip Midnight Orwell and Huxley were brilliant, though I don't think either of them got it quite right ... or, maybe more accurately, they were both right. Orwell got it partly right, but the totalitarianism he envisioned was much less subtle and insidious than the kind that actually took over. Additionally, in his reality, capitalists were disposed of by the people who took over rather than being the people who took over. However, he had it right in a general sense. _____________________ "Whatever the astronomers finally decide, I think Xena should be considered the enemy planet." - io Kukalcan
Chip Midnight ate my baby! Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 10,231	08-24-2006 18:37 From: Alex Fitzsimmons Orwell got it partly right, but the totalitarianism he envisioned was much less subtle and insidious than the kind that actually took over. Additionally, in his reality, capitalists were disposed of by the people who took over rather than being the people who took over. However, he had it right in a general sense. Agreed. He was certainly spot on about the manipulation of language and the power of sloganeering. _____________________ My other hobby: www.live365.com/stations/chip_midnight
Tod69 Talamasca The Human Tripod ;) Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 4,107	08-25-2006 04:28 From: Coyote Momiji I posed a lot for life drawing classes (hey, ten bucks an hour is ten bucks an hour). It was about the least tittillating work I can imagine that involves taking your clothes off in front of a bunch of strangers. My fiance has done that. It's not a sexually exciting thing for her either. She finds it boring and cramped sitting still for 1-2 hours at a time. Ok, so she did find out 2 guys had to "leave early" to take care of "something", but they were young guys and my fiance is Smoking Hot to begin with. Other than that, the rest of them sat there, drew, sketched, painted, etc.
Billybob Goodliffe NINJA WIZARDS! Join date: 22 Dec 2005 Posts: 4,036	08-25-2006 04:37 From: Vivianne Draper Wow. just wow. I mean nudes are .. CENTURIES old studies. wow. Just shows you men have always been perverts _____________________ If life gives you lemons, you should make lemonade and try and find someone who's life has given them vodka and have a party! From: Corvus Drake I asked God directly, and he says you're a douchebag. Commander of the Militant Wing of the Salvation Army http://e-pec.info/forum/blog/billybob_goodliffe
Arthax Bachman Registered User Join date: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 78	08-25-2006 12:45 From: Chosen Few You gotta be kidding me. This is outrageous. Just when I thought this country couldn't sink any lower, suspending a teacher for recommending the type of classes that have been going on for centuries. I took my first figure drawing class with live nude models when I was 13 years old. Like all 13 yr olds, I was a horny little bastard, of course, but believe me, those classes were anything but sexually stimulating. I've taken hundreds of them since, and it's the same story every time. Whether it's a hot chick who looks like she just stepped out of the pages of playboy, or a fat hairy old man, it's all the same. Artistic study is artistic study, and I have yet to attend a class where any student (of any age) appears to be aroused by what's going on. It's just not that type of thing. Let those kids see decapatations on the news, but god forbid, they ever encounter a nipple and the world might end. Please. Hah, my school wouldn't have dreamed of having something like that, and I never expected them to. You got nude women, we got fruit and a fat boy (clothed, thankfully) reading a newspaper! I've seen foreign commercials and the difference between what's allowed in the US and in Europe is striking. Here's just one example of something that Europe has on regular network tv, that you'll never see in the US: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfa4efPEp3U I live in Hawaii, btw. One of, if not the, most left-wing states in the US, so I think political spectrum has little, if anything to do with this.
Chronic Skronski SL Live Musician Join date: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 997	08-25-2006 15:17 From: Caranda Schreiner its OK for children to watch tens of thousands of graphic simulated murders on TV but God forbid they should ever have to draw a nipple! From: Joy Honey It just amazes me how prudish the US is. God forbid you see a naked body. Ahhh, you're starting to figure out the people who are most up in arms about these things. _____________________ A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle.

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