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Boy Lane

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03-19-2009 17:42

Having a new ATI card the priority of an issue SuezanneC brought up before has suddenly increased for me

. Please see /111/ec/229433/1.html for reported font rendering issues.

In fact all current viewers 1.18 - 1.23 are affected by these font rendering problems but worse, extremely bad graphics performance in general. I get about 1/3 lower FPS on a very powerful HD4870 than on my old Nvidia 8600GT. As reported all Catalyst drivers including ATI's OpenGL 2.1 implementation have these problems, including the latest 9.3 but only in Secondlife. Going back to 7.11 as many did is not an option, 48xx cards are only supported from 8.7 onwards.

There are 3 related Jira tickets for this.
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3947
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-4335
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-11874

The latter two of them are marked Critical but are still unassigned?!

If you are an ATI user, please have a look at these and vote for a fix. Lindens, please assign someone to these tickets. They are showstoppers for ATI users! Thanks.

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Maxon Torok

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03-19-2009 17:59

Since updating cause I was way behind with updates for my card, I'm getting insanely weird nearly program stopping graphic glitches. My performance has been alright, but now at random I get what I can only figure are graphical explosions of polygons that explode from my character and cause my view to be obstructed. I tried both the regular SL view and the Release Candidate one with no difference between the two. It doesn't happen every time, but if it's half an hour or just 10 minutes, it'll start doing the weird graphic glitch.

Hopefully this can be fixed soon cause I can barely play right now.

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03-19-2009 18:30

@Maxon

Yes, I get the artifacts too. Thats another problem with another Jira ticket

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3258

Try to disable VBO in Graphics / Hardware Options (lower checkbox).

There are a lot of unresolved ATI graphic issues with SL. Hope they get a higher priority to be fixed.

I made the mistake to buy an ATI card again after I had problems with a X800 card earlier that led me to buy Nvidia. If anyone asks me what card to buy for SL, there is only one answer now. And thats certainly not ATI

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03-19-2009 19:04

I've had no problems with ATI for a long time now, but since the update, it's gone funky. It seems alright now turning off VOB.

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03-19-2009 19:44

I haven't tried the new 9.3 drivers yet; I'm still using the 7.11 version. I find the inability to display the main menu correctly pretty much intolerable. I've had a problem with gray textures for the longest time, during which I've used a number of post 7.11 versions of catalyst.

It would be nice to get some more votes for http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3947 "Ugly font rendering in menu bar after upgrading to ATI drivers 7.12"

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Boy Lane

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03-19-2009 23:54

What I'm wondering is if this also happens in Vista. Seems all reports are about WinXP and Linux.

Update: No difference with Vista64. Sub par performance compared with old NVidia card.

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03-20-2009 18:56

i just installed the new 9.3 it seems very good disable to the opengl vertex buffers in hardware options, it was using the 8.7 before this cause no other drivers came close to being stable as that one till the 9.3 i get more fps and it seems rather steady, using the 4850

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03-20-2009 19:53

@JJames

That's a misperception. As I wrote earlier the performance is seriously impacted (in SL only). You may not see this if you have only one card and no chance to compare but a much older and slower NVidia 8600GT card performs about 1/3 faster in the same machine as a brand new 4870. That's not acceptable. Besides the broken font rendering since 7.12...

There is a incompatibility with ATI's OpenGL 2.1 implementation that was introduced with Catalyst 7.12 and all Secondlife releases. Nvidia's OpenGL 2.1 however works fine. The question to ask is where does this incompatibility originate from and how to fix it.

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Trashe Vyper

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03-21-2009 05:37

i got all these problem on my ati too and it is from 4xxx series so can't roll back my drivers

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03-21-2009 10:57

I went to the store, played all my charm and got the 4870 card exchanged to a Nvidia 260GTX 216 for a top up. Thanks god. And all is just working fine again.

I honestly do not recommend an ATI card to anyone for SL, these problems exist forever and were the reason for me to change to Nvidia before (X800 => 8600GT). I made the mistake not to check the current situation and bought ATI again but obviously nothing has improved. Luckily I could exchange the card but it came at a price. For SL there is only one choice and that is Nvidia. Period.

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03-21-2009 11:47

Sorry to jump in but I'd like to ask a question related. My graphics are having this same problem after I did something and had to reinstall the driver. Of course it installed the latest driver on the Radeon 9550 series. I did have, (I think) before everything went downhill one of the older versions of the driver catalyst 7.11.

Now going back to the website for ATI it only offers options as far back as 8.1. How can I find the older driver that I used to have? I tried google of course. Without knowing what I'm doing though, I'm afraid I won't download the right driver or download a virus.

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03-21-2009 19:21

@Lilyana
There are a number of 3rd party websites hosting older driver versions. One is guru3d.com. A Catalyst 7.11 package is here:
http://downloads.guru3d.com/ATI-Catalyst-7.11-XP-(32-bit)-download-1786.html

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Lilyana Muircastle

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03-21-2009 19:38

@Boy Lane

Thank you so much! I was looking all afternoon to fix this and was hoping for an answer.

*kisses!*

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03-25-2009 01:31

I've just uploaded a test build (otherwise identical with Cool Viewer 1.22.11.0 R3) that incorporates the fixes of http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12540. It includes updated OpenGL headers and detection routines. Hopefully this helps the ATI users out there that are suffering from bad performance of their graphic cards with SL. Please give it a try, perhaps it works for you. I can not test it myself as I returned my 4870 for a GTX260 due to the problems with SL.

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03-25-2009 10:33

So far mixed results, 100% increase in FPS for ATi but Antialiasing doesn't seem to work anymore. No impact for Nvidia cards. All working there.

I need more people testing

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Thanks!

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03-26-2009 23:40

New test version R3c is on my blog. AA works now. Link below

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03-28-2009 15:47

I'm giving R3c a try. It doesn't seem to have made a whole lot of difference so far, though I hadn't done any FPS testing previously and haven't with the test yet. I hadn't actually realized there was a problem with ATI cards and SL. I'd certainly never had one before, though after a while inworld things would occasionally start to grind to a fitful halt, which I had thought was what everyone experienced.

My previous card as an X1950 pro and it had the same problems. My upgrade to a 4850 didn't seem to help performance at all. I've always updated drivers at least once every few months.

The rest of my system is about two years old, but runs games like Fallout 3 VERY well.

I was getting those graphic glitches too, so thank you for the VBO tip.

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04-01-2009 09:27

Boy Lane - I just installed your R3c viewer yesterday. It's my first time trying any alternate SL Viewer and I'm very glad I did. Here's some feedback.

My machine:
AMD 9500 Quad-Core 2.20GHz
2 ATI Radeon 3870 video cards
2 widescreen LCD monitors
Catalyst 9.3
8 Gig ram
32 bit Windows Vista

I can turn anti-aliasing on for the first time in Catalyst. No more jaggies

Otherwise everything is the same. I still can't turn on Water Reflections without lagging so bad I can't walk very well.

I have a laptop with a much lesser nvidia card and it runs SL better than my smokin' desktop. The desktop outperforms it in everything but SL. However, I can run SL on one monitor and have PhotoShop CS4 doing it's 3D painting thing on the other monitor with now obvious affects in SL. The ATI cards really only have a problem in SL.

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Boy Lane

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04-01-2009 09:42

Heads up people....there was a recent Jira posting from Zen Linden in http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12139: "Talked to ATI. Looks like it was a problem in the driver of confusing accessing compressed textures vs. uncompressed textures and has been fixed internally by ATI, but probably will not go out by 9.3. 9.4 will most likely clear it up."

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04-01-2009 23:17

Updated to R3e, this one is now really SSE, I made a mistake earlier. Sorry

. If you could not get it running before please try this new version.

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04-01-2009 23:41

I see a report that support for older ATI cards will be reduced in Catalyst 9.3.

From: someone

ATI R300-R500 moving to legacy support status

ATI has announced that Catalyst 9.3 will be the last driver to support R300-R500 GPUs. This means that cards ranging from the Radeon 9000 series all the way up to the Radeon X1900 XTX will no longer receive monthly Catalyst driver updates, instead quarterly updates will be provided for these cards.

This move will free up resources for ATI's Catalyst driver team, as they'll no longer have to validate and test these cards with each Catalyst driver drop. Hopefully this should allow ATI to focus their resources on CrossFire profiles, driver optimizations for upcoming and current games, Windows 7 tuning, and other items (R8xx GPUs) going forward. Here's the statement from ATI:

The upcoming release of ATI Catalyst 9.3 will be the last driver to provide a monthly driver update for graphics products predating the R6xx series. What that means is all R300, R400 and R500 series products will be moved to legacy support status - meaning they will be removed from the core Catalyst update and QA testing will be reduced. Moving forward, these products will receive critical fixes if needed as well as updates on a quarterly schedule rather than the monthly schedule adhered to for current products.

Legacy support status is typically reserved for non-current products that have reached a point at which existing drivers optimize performance of the graphics product in question and further driver updates will yield little to no performance improvement. We continue to support non-current products well after drivers have reached this optimal state in order to ensure support for new applications and games.

By moving pre6xx products to legacy support status, we will be able to focus more of our software engineering resources on current and future products, operating systems and applications.

The following is a complete list of products moving to legacy support status:

ATI Radeon 9500 Series
ATI Radeon 9550 Series
ATI Radeon 9600 Series
ATI Radeon 9700 Series
ATI Radeon 9800 Series
ATI Radeon X300 Series
ATI Radeon X550 Series
ATI Radeon X600 Series
ATI Radeon X700 Series
ATI Radeon X800 Series
ATI Radeon X850 Series
ATI Radeon X1050 Series
ATI Radeon X1300 Series
ATI Radeon X1550 Series
ATI Radeon X1600 Series
ATI Radeon X1650 Series
ATI Radeon X1800 Series
ATI Radeon X1900 Series
ATI Radeon Xpress Series
ATI Radeon X1200
ATI Radeon X1250
ATI Radeon X2100 Series
ATI FireGL X1-128
ATI FireGL X1-256
ATI FireGL X2-256
ATI FireGL X2-256t
ATI FireGL X3-256
ATI FireGL Z1
ATI FireGL V3100
ATI FireGL V3200
ATI FireGL V3250
ATI FireGL V3300
ATI FireGL V3350
ATI FireGL V3400
ATI FireGL V5000
ATI FireGL V5100
ATI FireGL V5200
ATI FireGL V7100
ATI FireGL V7200
ATI FireGL V7300
ATI FireGL V7350
ATI FireMV 2200
ATI FireMV 2250

Sigh, that includes my card.

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Boy Lane

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04-06-2009 20:58

Dynamic benchmarking done for the OpenGL fixed CV. For both ATI and Nvidia cards there is a measurable performance gain of 35% compared to the official viewer.

Test results (60s train ride in Koh Kut, measured with fraps):
R3: Standard Viewer, R3c OpenGL fix, SSE2, R3e, OpenGL fix, SSE, Shadow just for comparison)
ATi (HD4830, 1400x900, Thanks Trashe Vyper!)
R3) 1785 Frames, 19 min, 44 max, 29.750 Avg
R3c) 2178 Frames, 25 min, 46 max, 36.300 Avg
R3e) 2224 Frames, 21 min, 54 max, 37.067 Avg

SL 1.22) 1554 Frames, 12 min, 39 max, 25.900 Avg

Nvidia (GTX260, 1680x1050):
R3) 3924 Frames, 42 min, 86 max, 65.400 Avg
R3c) 4617 Frames, 64 min, 91 max, 76.950 Avg
R3e) 4463 Frames, 63 min, 89 max, 74.383 Avg

Shadow) 2615 Frames, 36 min, 53 max, 43.583 Avg
SL 1.22) 3436 Frames, 42 min, 85 max, 57.267 Avg

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04-09-2009 04:09

ATI just released new Catalyst 9.4 drivers. Would be great if someone could give them a try and report if they do anything to improve performance and/or fix the rendering issues. Thanks!

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04-09-2009 08:39

I have an ATI HD4850 withVista64 core i7 processor and 6gb RAM.
No renderning problems found except for performances very very poor.
It was much better with an old pc (winxp+nvdia 7600).
I hope I wont be constrained to change my video card!

edit: I forgot, catalyst 9.3

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04-09-2009 15:30

I just tried the 9.4 drivers and NOW I have the corrupted graphics, the explosions and such.
Have been getting slow performance for awhile now on an ATI 4850 as opposed to my old 8800GT which had the funky black texturing thing.

With 9.3 it worked but was still slow and also could not enable the water reflections at all.

Will try the VBO thing and your viewer to see if it helps.

update: I disabled VBO in the ATI CC, in my case triple buffering, no effect at all.
How ever, unchecking use openGL vertex buffers in the SL client works wonders.

I can now run in ultra with full reflections on and have no problems.
In my house I get about 25 FPS, but my house is very well decorated unlike most peoples houses for what ever reason, just the house, 155 prims and interior decorations are around 750 prims total.

Flying in a blank sky I am over 80 FPS which is what I would expect, normal seems to run about 30 to 40 which I have no problems with especially as I am running ultra with draw distance down a bit to 192 and particles to 2048.

As far as the Cool Viewer client, it seems to be a very nice client and runs very well so far, have not had time to check out the "Cool" features yet though.

ATI Catalyst 7.12 - 9.3 graphics performance extremely bad
Boy Lane Evil Dolly Join date: 8 May 2007 Posts: 690	03-19-2009 17:42 Having a new ATI card the priority of an issue SuezanneC brought up before has suddenly increased for me . Please see /111/ec/229433/1.html for reported font rendering issues. In fact all current viewers 1.18 - 1.23 are affected by these font rendering problems but worse, extremely bad graphics performance in general. I get about 1/3 lower FPS on a very powerful HD4870 than on my old Nvidia 8600GT. As reported all Catalyst drivers including ATI's OpenGL 2.1 implementation have these problems, including the latest 9.3 but only in Secondlife. Going back to 7.11 as many did is not an option, 48xx cards are only supported from 8.7 onwards. There are 3 related Jira tickets for this. http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3947 http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-4335 http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-11874 The latter two of them are marked Critical but are still unassigned?! If you are an ATI user, please have a look at these and vote for a fix. Lindens, please assign someone to these tickets. They are showstoppers for ATI users! Thanks. _____________________ Cool Viewers for Virtual Worlds, Home of Rainbow: http://my.opera.com/boylane Download: http://coolviewer.googlecode.com Source: http://github.com/boy Be plurked: http://plurk.com/BoyLane/invite
Maxon Torok Registered User Join date: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 3	03-19-2009 17:59 Since updating cause I was way behind with updates for my card, I'm getting insanely weird nearly program stopping graphic glitches. My performance has been alright, but now at random I get what I can only figure are graphical explosions of polygons that explode from my character and cause my view to be obstructed. I tried both the regular SL view and the Release Candidate one with no difference between the two. It doesn't happen every time, but if it's half an hour or just 10 minutes, it'll start doing the weird graphic glitch. Hopefully this can be fixed soon cause I can barely play right now.
Boy Lane Evil Dolly Join date: 8 May 2007 Posts: 690	03-19-2009 18:30 @Maxon Yes, I get the artifacts too. Thats another problem with another Jira ticket http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3258 Try to disable VBO in Graphics / Hardware Options (lower checkbox). There are a lot of unresolved ATI graphic issues with SL. Hope they get a higher priority to be fixed. I made the mistake to buy an ATI card again after I had problems with a X800 card earlier that led me to buy Nvidia. If anyone asks me what card to buy for SL, there is only one answer now. And thats certainly not ATI _____________________ Cool Viewers for Virtual Worlds, Home of Rainbow: http://my.opera.com/boylane Download: http://coolviewer.googlecode.com Source: http://github.com/boy Be plurked: http://plurk.com/BoyLane/invite
Maxon Torok Registered User Join date: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 3	03-19-2009 19:04 I've had no problems with ATI for a long time now, but since the update, it's gone funky. It seems alright now turning off VOB.
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	03-19-2009 19:44 I haven't tried the new 9.3 drivers yet; I'm still using the 7.11 version. I find the inability to display the main menu correctly pretty much intolerable. I've had a problem with gray textures for the longest time, during which I've used a number of post 7.11 versions of catalyst. It would be nice to get some more votes for http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3947 "Ugly font rendering in menu bar after upgrading to ATI drivers 7.12" _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Boy Lane Evil Dolly Join date: 8 May 2007 Posts: 690	03-19-2009 23:54 What I'm wondering is if this also happens in Vista. Seems all reports are about WinXP and Linux. Update: No difference with Vista64. Sub par performance compared with old NVidia card. _____________________ Cool Viewers for Virtual Worlds, Home of Rainbow: http://my.opera.com/boylane Download: http://coolviewer.googlecode.com Source: http://github.com/boy Be plurked: http://plurk.com/BoyLane/invite
JJames Alter Registered User Join date: 18 Jul 2008 Posts: 10	03-20-2009 18:56 i just installed the new 9.3 it seems very good disable to the opengl vertex buffers in hardware options, it was using the 8.7 before this cause no other drivers came close to being stable as that one till the 9.3 i get more fps and it seems rather steady, using the 4850
Boy Lane Evil Dolly Join date: 8 May 2007 Posts: 690	03-20-2009 19:53 @JJames That's a misperception. As I wrote earlier the performance is seriously impacted (in SL only). You may not see this if you have only one card and no chance to compare but a much older and slower NVidia 8600GT card performs about 1/3 faster in the same machine as a brand new 4870. That's not acceptable. Besides the broken font rendering since 7.12... There is a incompatibility with ATI's OpenGL 2.1 implementation that was introduced with Catalyst 7.12 and all Secondlife releases. Nvidia's OpenGL 2.1 however works fine. The question to ask is where does this incompatibility originate from and how to fix it. _____________________ Cool Viewers for Virtual Worlds, Home of Rainbow: http://my.opera.com/boylane Download: http://coolviewer.googlecode.com Source: http://github.com/boy Be plurked: http://plurk.com/BoyLane/invite
Trashe Vyper Registered User Join date: 10 Feb 2009 Posts: 2	03-21-2009 05:37 i got all these problem on my ati too and it is from 4xxx series so can't roll back my drivers
Boy Lane Evil Dolly Join date: 8 May 2007 Posts: 690	03-21-2009 10:57 I went to the store, played all my charm and got the 4870 card exchanged to a Nvidia 260GTX 216 for a top up. Thanks god. And all is just working fine again. I honestly do not recommend an ATI card to anyone for SL, these problems exist forever and were the reason for me to change to Nvidia before (X800 => 8600GT). I made the mistake not to check the current situation and bought ATI again but obviously nothing has improved. Luckily I could exchange the card but it came at a price. For SL there is only one choice and that is Nvidia. Period. _____________________ Cool Viewers for Virtual Worlds, Home of Rainbow: http://my.opera.com/boylane Download: http://coolviewer.googlecode.com Source: http://github.com/boy Be plurked: http://plurk.com/BoyLane/invite
Lilyana Muircastle Registered User Join date: 19 Oct 2008 Posts: 18	03-21-2009 11:47 Sorry to jump in but I'd like to ask a question related. My graphics are having this same problem after I did something and had to reinstall the driver. Of course it installed the latest driver on the Radeon 9550 series. I did have, (I think) before everything went downhill one of the older versions of the driver catalyst 7.11. Now going back to the website for ATI it only offers options as far back as 8.1. How can I find the older driver that I used to have? I tried google of course. Without knowing what I'm doing though, I'm afraid I won't download the right driver or download a virus.
Boy Lane Evil Dolly Join date: 8 May 2007 Posts: 690	03-21-2009 19:21 @Lilyana There are a number of 3rd party websites hosting older driver versions. One is guru3d.com. A Catalyst 7.11 package is here: http://downloads.guru3d.com/ATI-Catalyst-7.11-XP-(32-bit)-download-1786.html _____________________ Cool Viewers for Virtual Worlds, Home of Rainbow: http://my.opera.com/boylane Download: http://coolviewer.googlecode.com Source: http://github.com/boy Be plurked: http://plurk.com/BoyLane/invite
Lilyana Muircastle Registered User Join date: 19 Oct 2008 Posts: 18	03-21-2009 19:38 @Boy Lane Thank you so much! I was looking all afternoon to fix this and was hoping for an answer. kisses!
Boy Lane Evil Dolly Join date: 8 May 2007 Posts: 690	03-25-2009 01:31 I've just uploaded a test build (otherwise identical with Cool Viewer 1.22.11.0 R3) that incorporates the fixes of http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12540. It includes updated OpenGL headers and detection routines. Hopefully this helps the ATI users out there that are suffering from bad performance of their graphic cards with SL. Please give it a try, perhaps it works for you. I can not test it myself as I returned my 4870 for a GTX260 due to the problems with SL. http://my.opera.com/boylane _____________________ Cool Viewers for Virtual Worlds, Home of Rainbow: http://my.opera.com/boylane Download: http://coolviewer.googlecode.com Source: http://github.com/boy Be plurked: http://plurk.com/BoyLane/invite
Boy Lane Evil Dolly Join date: 8 May 2007 Posts: 690	03-25-2009 10:33 So far mixed results, 100% increase in FPS for ATi but Antialiasing doesn't seem to work anymore. No impact for Nvidia cards. All working there. I need more people testing . Thanks! _____________________ Cool Viewers for Virtual Worlds, Home of Rainbow: http://my.opera.com/boylane Download: http://coolviewer.googlecode.com Source: http://github.com/boy Be plurked: http://plurk.com/BoyLane/invite
Boy Lane Evil Dolly Join date: 8 May 2007 Posts: 690	03-26-2009 23:40 New test version R3c is on my blog. AA works now. Link below _____________________ Cool Viewers for Virtual Worlds, Home of Rainbow: http://my.opera.com/boylane Download: http://coolviewer.googlecode.com Source: http://github.com/boy Be plurked: http://plurk.com/BoyLane/invite
Vanessa Hunt Registered User Join date: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 2	03-28-2009 15:47 I'm giving R3c a try. It doesn't seem to have made a whole lot of difference so far, though I hadn't done any FPS testing previously and haven't with the test yet. I hadn't actually realized there was a problem with ATI cards and SL. I'd certainly never had one before, though after a while inworld things would occasionally start to grind to a fitful halt, which I had thought was what everyone experienced. My previous card as an X1950 pro and it had the same problems. My upgrade to a 4850 didn't seem to help performance at all. I've always updated drivers at least once every few months. The rest of my system is about two years old, but runs games like Fallout 3 VERY well. I was getting those graphic glitches too, so thank you for the VBO tip. V
Imagin Illyar Owner, Willowdale Estates Join date: 6 Feb 2008 Posts: 290	04-01-2009 09:27 Boy Lane - I just installed your R3c viewer yesterday. It's my first time trying any alternate SL Viewer and I'm very glad I did. Here's some feedback. My machine: AMD 9500 Quad-Core 2.20GHz 2 ATI Radeon 3870 video cards 2 widescreen LCD monitors Catalyst 9.3 8 Gig ram 32 bit Windows Vista I can turn anti-aliasing on for the first time in Catalyst. No more jaggies Otherwise everything is the same. I still can't turn on Water Reflections without lagging so bad I can't walk very well. I have a laptop with a much lesser nvidia card and it runs SL better than my smokin' desktop. The desktop outperforms it in everything but SL. However, I can run SL on one monitor and have PhotoShop CS4 doing it's 3D painting thing on the other monitor with now obvious affects in SL. The ATI cards really only have a problem in SL. _____________________ Ultra Private Luxury Woodland Lots on class 5 full prim sims Willowdale Estates Rental Office: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Theron/48/215/60
Boy Lane Evil Dolly Join date: 8 May 2007 Posts: 690	04-01-2009 09:42 Heads up people....there was a recent Jira posting from Zen Linden in http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12139: "Talked to ATI. Looks like it was a problem in the driver of confusing accessing compressed textures vs. uncompressed textures and has been fixed internally by ATI, but probably will not go out by 9.3. 9.4 will most likely clear it up." _____________________ Cool Viewers for Virtual Worlds, Home of Rainbow: http://my.opera.com/boylane Download: http://coolviewer.googlecode.com Source: http://github.com/boy Be plurked: http://plurk.com/BoyLane/invite
Boy Lane Evil Dolly Join date: 8 May 2007 Posts: 690	04-01-2009 23:17 Updated to R3e, this one is now really SSE, I made a mistake earlier. Sorry . If you could not get it running before please try this new version. _____________________ Cool Viewers for Virtual Worlds, Home of Rainbow: http://my.opera.com/boylane Download: http://coolviewer.googlecode.com Source: http://github.com/boy Be plurked: http://plurk.com/BoyLane/invite
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	04-01-2009 23:41 I see a report that support for older ATI cards will be reduced in Catalyst 9.3. From: someone ATI R300-R500 moving to legacy support status ATI has announced that Catalyst 9.3 will be the last driver to support R300-R500 GPUs. This means that cards ranging from the Radeon 9000 series all the way up to the Radeon X1900 XTX will no longer receive monthly Catalyst driver updates, instead quarterly updates will be provided for these cards. This move will free up resources for ATI's Catalyst driver team, as they'll no longer have to validate and test these cards with each Catalyst driver drop. Hopefully this should allow ATI to focus their resources on CrossFire profiles, driver optimizations for upcoming and current games, Windows 7 tuning, and other items (R8xx GPUs) going forward. Here's the statement from ATI: The upcoming release of ATI Catalyst 9.3 will be the last driver to provide a monthly driver update for graphics products predating the R6xx series. What that means is all R300, R400 and R500 series products will be moved to legacy support status - meaning they will be removed from the core Catalyst update and QA testing will be reduced. Moving forward, these products will receive critical fixes if needed as well as updates on a quarterly schedule rather than the monthly schedule adhered to for current products. Legacy support status is typically reserved for non-current products that have reached a point at which existing drivers optimize performance of the graphics product in question and further driver updates will yield little to no performance improvement. We continue to support non-current products well after drivers have reached this optimal state in order to ensure support for new applications and games. By moving pre6xx products to legacy support status, we will be able to focus more of our software engineering resources on current and future products, operating systems and applications. The following is a complete list of products moving to legacy support status: ATI Radeon 9500 Series ATI Radeon 9550 Series ATI Radeon 9600 Series ATI Radeon 9700 Series ATI Radeon 9800 Series ATI Radeon X300 Series ATI Radeon X550 Series ATI Radeon X600 Series ATI Radeon X700 Series ATI Radeon X800 Series ATI Radeon X850 Series ATI Radeon X1050 Series ATI Radeon X1300 Series ATI Radeon X1550 Series ATI Radeon X1600 Series ATI Radeon X1650 Series ATI Radeon X1800 Series ATI Radeon X1900 Series ATI Radeon Xpress Series ATI Radeon X1200 ATI Radeon X1250 ATI Radeon X2100 Series ATI FireGL X1-128 ATI FireGL X1-256 ATI FireGL X2-256 ATI FireGL X2-256t ATI FireGL X3-256 ATI FireGL Z1 ATI FireGL V3100 ATI FireGL V3200 ATI FireGL V3250 ATI FireGL V3300 ATI FireGL V3350 ATI FireGL V3400 ATI FireGL V5000 ATI FireGL V5100 ATI FireGL V5200 ATI FireGL V7100 ATI FireGL V7200 ATI FireGL V7300 ATI FireGL V7350 ATI FireMV 2200 ATI FireMV 2250 Sigh, that includes my card. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Boy Lane Evil Dolly Join date: 8 May 2007 Posts: 690	04-06-2009 20:58 Dynamic benchmarking done for the OpenGL fixed CV. For both ATI and Nvidia cards there is a measurable performance gain of 35% compared to the official viewer. Test results (60s train ride in Koh Kut, measured with fraps): R3: Standard Viewer, R3c OpenGL fix, SSE2, R3e, OpenGL fix, SSE, Shadow just for comparison) ATi (HD4830, 1400x900, Thanks Trashe Vyper!) R3) 1785 Frames, 19 min, 44 max, 29.750 Avg R3c) 2178 Frames, 25 min, 46 max, 36.300 Avg R3e) 2224 Frames, 21 min, 54 max, 37.067 Avg SL 1.22) 1554 Frames, 12 min, 39 max, 25.900 Avg Nvidia (GTX260, 1680x1050): R3) 3924 Frames, 42 min, 86 max, 65.400 Avg R3c) 4617 Frames, 64 min, 91 max, 76.950 Avg R3e) 4463 Frames, 63 min, 89 max, 74.383 Avg Shadow) 2615 Frames, 36 min, 53 max, 43.583 Avg SL 1.22) 3436 Frames, 42 min, 85 max, 57.267 Avg http://my.opera.com/boylane/blog/cool-viewer-for-ati-windows-with-opengl-fixes-some-more-testers-needed _____________________ Cool Viewers for Virtual Worlds, Home of Rainbow: http://my.opera.com/boylane Download: http://coolviewer.googlecode.com Source: http://github.com/boy Be plurked: http://plurk.com/BoyLane/invite
Boy Lane Evil Dolly Join date: 8 May 2007 Posts: 690	04-09-2009 04:09 ATI just released new Catalyst 9.4 drivers. Would be great if someone could give them a try and report if they do anything to improve performance and/or fix the rendering issues. Thanks! _____________________ Cool Viewers for Virtual Worlds, Home of Rainbow: http://my.opera.com/boylane Download: http://coolviewer.googlecode.com Source: http://github.com/boy Be plurked: http://plurk.com/BoyLane/invite
Ilian Garrigus call me Garrigus Join date: 17 May 2007 Posts: 1	HD4850 with Vista64 04-09-2009 08:39 I have an ATI HD4850 withVista64 core i7 processor and 6gb RAM. No renderning problems found except for performances very very poor. It was much better with an old pc (winxp+nvdia 7600). I hope I wont be constrained to change my video card! edit: I forgot, catalyst 9.3
Qyv Inshan Registered User Join date: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 6	04-09-2009 15:30 I just tried the 9.4 drivers and NOW I have the corrupted graphics, the explosions and such. Have been getting slow performance for awhile now on an ATI 4850 as opposed to my old 8800GT which had the funky black texturing thing. With 9.3 it worked but was still slow and also could not enable the water reflections at all. Will try the VBO thing and your viewer to see if it helps. update: I disabled VBO in the ATI CC, in my case triple buffering, no effect at all. How ever, unchecking use openGL vertex buffers in the SL client works wonders. I can now run in ultra with full reflections on and have no problems. In my house I get about 25 FPS, but my house is very well decorated unlike most peoples houses for what ever reason, just the house, 155 prims and interior decorations are around 750 prims total. Flying in a blank sky I am over 80 FPS which is what I would expect, normal seems to run about 30 to 40 which I have no problems with especially as I am running ultra with draw distance down a bit to 192 and particles to 2048. As far as the Cool Viewer client, it seems to be a very nice client and runs very well so far, have not had time to check out the "Cool" features yet though.

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