I consider this a tech issue until I know more from LL. If I then need to contact other authority figures you will tell me. the viewer in question is Modular System's Greenlife Emerald Viewer.
My girlfriend started using this viewer, and she was showing me some of it's features. The viewer has a radar feature and when used with the camera can view things and people from far away, even in locked rooms. My girlfriend showed me how she could look up another girls dress to see her private areas.
This girl was across the sim she was on, in a closed room. She never knew my girlfriend was there looking up her dress.
The website for this viewer says 99 percent of the code is from Linden labs.. so they must be able to change enough code to make it do this, when the second life viewer cannot. I feel this is a major exploitation and misuse of the second life viewer code, and this behavior of people using this viewer to spy on others must break the TOS in some way.
If the TOS is being broken by a viewer with the ability to do such things can't it be banned from second life? Is it not in accordance with viewer policy use and abilities for second life?
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JohnPhoenix Grayman
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23rdDjin Negulesco
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07-30-2009 21:57
this can be done as well with the standard viewer by disabling your camera constraints and increasing your draw distance. it's safe to assume it can be done with ALL viewers, so one would have to ban all viewers which would pretty much eliminate SL altogether...
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Distilled1 Rush
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07-30-2009 22:03
yep always have been able to with advanced settings sounds like they just turned all that on all the time..
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Brieanne Bomazi
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07-30-2009 23:15
this is a JOKE right? you can buy numerous scripted huds that track everyone on a sim, and like stated above, you can disable camera constraints in ANY LL issued viewer, and do the same thing. If you forgot your panties... well, yeah, sounds like YOUR problem.
What you FAIL to mention, is that that only looks as far as your draw distance is set, and that is MAX 512M. So if your seriously concerned about people peeking at you, go higher in the sky. They'd have to be a minimum of 512M away from you to peek.... And btw... Did she happen to check out the Emerald *look at* button? unlike the LL viewer, it has a NAME on it... so if someone IS looking at you, you know who it is. (In case your so savvy you don't know what that is... its the little cross hairs that shows, by color, where your mouse pointer is pointed. Torley made a whole video on it!) ~brie |
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JohnPhoenix Grayman
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07-31-2009 00:27
No this wasn't a joke. I simply didn't know you could do those things with other viewers. Nice people with morals don't bother looking into those kinds of things, for many of us it would never even cross our minds. I'm shocked. I posted this because I feel for all those people who get spied on and feel their privacy is violated. To me it is just a cartoon body so it's no big deal, but I do know of a lot of people who take being spied on seriously and it hurts them. I was looking out for them. If all viewers can do this with advanced settings then people need to know this upfront of joining SL and be aware that they cannot be secure at all, and take precautions.. like not stripping.. even in their own house.. sad to say really.
Brieanne your post seems like you are addressing the wrong person. You say " If you forgot your panties... well, yeah, sounds like YOUR problem." I or my girlfriend was not the person being spied on. And " So if your seriously concerned about people peeking at you, go higher in the sky. They'd have to be a minimum of 512M away from you to peek...." I am not concerned about people spying on me, I am concerned about others being spied on. And it is not possible for those people to always be out of a spyers reach if every viewer can spy on people. And" And btw... Did she happen to check out the Emerald *look at* button? unlike the LL viewer, it has a NAME on it... so if someone IS looking at you, you know who it is." Who is this she you speak of? The girl my girlfriend was looking at? No one asked her anything. Who knows what viewer she was using or if her viewer has a 'look at' button or not. It's my girlfriend who was using the emerald viewer, no one was looking at her. It seems you fail to understand the situation or to comprehend what I wrote initially. Please reread the whole message carefully so you will understand what is being said before you get all upset and post things that don't relate to the topic. |
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07-31-2009 02:32
What you FAIL to mention, is that that only looks as far as your draw distance is set, and that is MAX 512M. If you want privacy in SL, vote for http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-205 _____________________
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07-31-2009 06:32
Ban people from logging in!!
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Brieanne Bomazi
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07-31-2009 06:58
No this wasn't a joke. I simply didn't know you could do those things with other viewers. Nice people with morals don't bother looking into those kinds of things, for many of us it would never even cross our minds. I'm shocked. I posted this because I feel for all those people who get spied on and feel their privacy is violated. To me it is just a cartoon body so it's no big deal, but I do know of a lot of people who take being spied on seriously and it hurts them. I was looking out for them. If all viewers can do this with advanced settings then people need to know this upfront of joining SL and be aware that they cannot be secure at all, and take precautions.. like not stripping.. even in their own house.. sad to say really. Brieanne your post seems like you are addressing the wrong person. You say " If you forgot your panties... well, yeah, sounds like YOUR problem." I or my girlfriend was not the person being spied on. And " So if your seriously concerned about people peeking at you, go higher in the sky. They'd have to be a minimum of 512M away from you to peek...." I am not concerned about people spying on me, I am concerned about others being spied on. And it is not possible for those people to always be out of a spyers reach if every viewer can spy on people. And" And btw... Did she happen to check out the Emerald *look at* button? unlike the LL viewer, it has a NAME on it... so if someone IS looking at you, you know who it is." Who is this she you speak of? The girl my girlfriend was looking at? No one asked her anything. Who knows what viewer she was using or if her viewer has a 'look at' button or not. It's my girlfriend who was using the emerald viewer, no one was looking at her. It seems you fail to understand the situation or to comprehend what I wrote initially. Please reread the whole message carefully so you will understand what is being said before you get all upset and post things that don't relate to the topic. I read your entire post. I understood it. Frankly, you failed to see what MINE was saying. the HER i referred to is your girl using the emerald viewer. There are a lot of very useful functions in it, that free up hud space. To say *ban a viewer* that does what all viewers do based on your ignorance of SL is actually quite funny. This is like saying.. I saw something bad, we should ban it. All versions of SL viewers run on the same base code, some are modified with enhancements that usually end up at patches for the main viewers (Nicholas fixed the prims up the ass bug with his patch from an alternate viewer,if i am not mistaken) My entire point is calling for a witch hunt and a ban based on your failure to know the facts is a joke. If you had ASKED are there features here against the rules, or can someone explain this to me, you might have met with a much more range of responses. Too bad you missed the days when the naked life viewer was around, anyone could get you naked on their screen and take pictures and you would never even know they did it. SL is open source for a reason  Most alternate viewers fix bugs faster, perform better, and basically enhance the Sl experience. Oh and Argent... 4096 using the debug settings. If you want privacy in SL, vote for http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-205? Lets not scare him anyworse, lol Good call on the vote  |
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07-31-2009 08:30
Please explain to me why looking up a cartoon skirt, at an artist's rendering, of a pixelated genitalia is immoral.
Then explain to me why anyone bothers doing this when they can simply put on a female avatar, get naked and just stare at themselves instead XD! But seriously folks, the only visual privacy you are ever going to find is on an empty standalone sim that's set up with an access list. If you are ashamed of what you're doing, wearing or expressing, don't do it in the first place. _____________________
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Eli Schlegal
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07-31-2009 08:46
My girlfriend showed me how she could look up another girls dress to see her private areas. Your girlfriend.... um... really sounds like my kind of girl. She's naughty  |
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Charlemagne Allen
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07-31-2009 08:53
My girlfriend started using this viewer, and she was showing me some of it's features. The viewer has a radar feature and when used with the camera can view things and people from far away, even in locked rooms. My girlfriend showed me how she could look up another girls dress to see her private areas. This girl was across the sim she was on, in a closed room. She never knew my girlfriend was there looking up her dress. It could be much, much more interesting... er.. I mean... worst... http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2004/12/looking_up_taco.html |
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Amaranthim Talon
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07-31-2009 09:17
OP- while on the surface your post seems to imply caring for another's experience- do we really need yet more nannying? If everyone concerned themselves more about what they do and not what others do the entire world- even the real one - wd be so much bettr. Seems to me, your gf is ARable for TOS infringement by violating that other one's privacy- assuming the other new she was being looked at and perceived it as harrasment.
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Eli Schlegal
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07-31-2009 09:35
Ban people from logging in!! Too many of them are lagging the grid!LL kind of did that for awhile... back around January, wasn't it? |
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23rdDjin Negulesco
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07-31-2009 09:42
No this wasn't a joke. I simply didn't know you could do those things with other viewers. Nice people with morals don't bother looking into those kinds of things, for many of us it would never even cross our minds. I'm shocked. I posted this because I feel for all those people who get spied on and feel their privacy is violated. To me it is just a cartoon body so it's no big deal, but I do know of a lot of people who take being spied on seriously and it hurts them. I was looking out for them. If all viewers can do this with advanced settings then people need to know this upfront of joining SL and be aware that they cannot be secure at all, and take precautions.. like not stripping.. even in their own house.. sad to say really. Brieanne your post seems like you are addressing the wrong person. You say " If you forgot your panties... well, yeah, sounds like YOUR problem." I or my girlfriend was not the person being spied on. And " So if your seriously concerned about people peeking at you, go higher in the sky. They'd have to be a minimum of 512M away from you to peek...." I am not concerned about people spying on me, I am concerned about others being spied on. And it is not possible for those people to always be out of a spyers reach if every viewer can spy on people. And" And btw... Did she happen to check out the Emerald *look at* button? unlike the LL viewer, it has a NAME on it... so if someone IS looking at you, you know who it is." Who is this she you speak of? The girl my girlfriend was looking at? No one asked her anything. Who knows what viewer she was using or if her viewer has a 'look at' button or not. It's my girlfriend who was using the emerald viewer, no one was looking at her. It seems you fail to understand the situation or to comprehend what I wrote initially. Please reread the whole message carefully so you will understand what is being said before you get all upset and post things that don't relate to the topic. in this case, you may want to consider the question of your girlfriends morals. you seem to forget that SHE was the one going about looking up the skirt of someone, spying, etc. it seemed to have crossed her mind quite readily, though it's now doubtful she will be so careless as to share with you the things she may discover...  _____________________
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Kaimi Kyomoon
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07-31-2009 09:54
This type of misunderstanding is probably as common as the one that assumes financial transactions can somehow be safeguarded in SL.
You can pay LL quite a lot of money for a virtual space that you can control access to. Otherwise when you are in SL you are in public view. Sort of like anyone with access to the internet can read what I'm writing here. Likewise the SL currency, Linden dollars, can be bought and sold for rl money. If I let someone have some of my L$ and then realize I was somehow swindled there is no law or other mechanism to reverse the transaction. I was swindled. It's kind of a libertarian Utopia. I find that caring too much about what would be decent or helpful for other people to do or think is less productive than focusing on how I myself would like to behave. _____________________
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07-31-2009 10:07
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07-31-2009 11:13
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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07-31-2009 11:23
I'm immoral. =^-^=
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07-31-2009 11:40
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Yummy Freelunch
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07-31-2009 11:43
/me downloads the Emerald viewer.
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Kokoro Fasching
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07-31-2009 12:09
Hmmm, I need to get some panties that read "If you can read this, you owe me 2000L" ;P
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Carl Dana
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07-31-2009 12:15
Oh my god...that was so funny I nearly wet my pants. Ban Greenlife Emerald Viewer? The major Anti-Griefing Viewer for SL? I think thats the funniest thing that I have heard anyone say all year. And, ontop of that, you wanted to ban it for functions that ALL viewers are capable of, including LLs own viewers. LOL!!
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Yummy Freelunch
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07-31-2009 13:16
WOW< OP..thanks for letting me know about this viewer..its freaking awsome!!! Where the hell have I been? I didnt even know about it..
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Damien1 Thorne
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07-31-2009 15:33
I'm immoral. =^-^= Got skirt? (^_^) Oh.. And.. OP: Please point out the TOS regulation that requires residents to never look at each other's naughtybits. (^_^)y Section 69.69: Thou shall not cam up the ladies' skirts. 1st offence: 24 hours in the cornfield 2nd offence: Prim parts surgically removed. 3rd offence: Avatar will be renamed Jumpy. |
