Event Calendar Changes - Discussion

Just a quick clarification.. We actually CAN search the events list. There is a small box at the top to use for a search to narrow down the list of choices. It doesn't always seem to work for me tho. For instance, if I type in "Tringo" then those events that type the word like ~*TRINGO*~ or something similiar with extra characters does not show up.

I just think we need a customizable filter to end the "clutter" issue for some. Linden does not need to clean up the clutter for us... since what is one person's clutter is another person's treasure. *grin* They need to give us the tools to filter out our own clutter.

Now that I think of it, I haven't tested their search box completely. Know how most places actually have a filter on their search? Like how we can add a - (minus) sign in front of a word to get results without those listings. Hmmm... maybe we CAN already do this and just type in "-tringo", "-thong", "-sex", "-whining", etc to filter our own list a bit. Of course, it would be nice to have a way to retain and remember our search preferences and not have to enter such stuff each time... Yep.. will have to test this once the world comes back up.

Now, I know LL will say the new system was not just for the clutter aspect but to give land owners more control as to who was using their land to host events. Agreed. Land owners needed control of this. But, this was NOT the way to fix this issue. The land controls need a new tab similiar to the Access and Ban list tabs... Allowed Hosts. Let us simply check ALL, NONE or LIMITED and supply the names of those we trust in that tab and only those individuals would be able to list an event from our parcel if it is set to Limited.

LL, I seriously believe it would be in the best interest of the community if you would reinstate the old event calendar/listings and place a NEW and IMPROVED system on a priority list. Then gather a small group of mature citizens from all aspects (hosts, owners, attendees) and and have some productive discussions as to what is needed and desired. The old list was not perfect. It may have been an annoyance for some. But, it did not HURT or limit us. Let's fix it up right.

This is exactly what I had to do. I had several staff members who suddenly could not post events. One wanted to cancel an event, and could not. Not giving advance warning of these changes was a bad decision also. People trying to post events yesterday were clueless as to what was going on, it was extremely frustrating.



I keep hearing how SL is supposed to be OUR world and how the residents are the content providers. Let the residents decide what is a fun event and what is not. I think that it would be in the best interest of LL to have as many events available as possible. Events also mean income for those who do not have the technical skills to earn Lindens, and that income no longer comes out of LL's pockets, it comes from the land-owners. Putting further limits on those who pay the most in land maintenance fees seems like a stupid decision to me

I agree! Don't cut out the number of events - let's just get them organized. I personally have no major interest in Tringo, Slingo or Bingo and find it hard to weed through the mass of daily games on the event list...just clean it up a little and let us players enjoy what we choose

I have respect for the majority of the people in this game and the Lindens, but this is getting a little too much.

As a dear friend just said to me:

The Lindens are slowly killing this game!

So true, so very very true! Pretty soon, noone will be able to make any money at this game and play it like they always have loved to, then what will they do when this game becomes obsolete????

JMTC

Not faulting you in the least for what you had to do, Patrick - if I was in your situation, I think I would have done exactly the same thing.

However - to me, this just accentuates how this new system is flawed. At the impromptu Linden discussion last night I made a comment at the end to the effect of "...As much as I don't like it, I guess I can deal with the system - but if others find a way to work around the 3 events per day rule where I can't, I'm going to be really bummed out..."

Note to Jeff Linden: I'm really bummed out.

In a perfect world - this is what I'd like to see:

--No restrictions on where or when or how many you can post to the event calendar of any kind. If I want to post tringo every hour on the hour, I should be able to do that.

--Heavy restrictions on the *category* that must be chosen for your event. If I *am* going to post Tringo every hour - I should be forced to tie it to a category that others can filter out easily.

--Implement Filters & Better Categories on the in-game calendar that allow folks to filter out the event categories that don't interest them.

--Have an in-game calendar that better displays longer-duration (over 1 hour) events at a glance

What this will do:

--Folks that don't want to have anything to do with Clubs/Casino/Malls can filter those venues or categories out completely - and be left with the events they actually want to see.

--Increase the number of events, and inherently, the ease at which folks can find something to do.

--Allow people to take greater risks with events - rather than worrying about "Using up one of their 3" on a "wasted" event

--Require significantly less policing from Linden Labs

--Offer more 'off-peak' timed events - that cater to those residents in Europe or Asia.

oh puuuuuulease stop skirting around the edges

EVERY single one of you know what the problem is here so why wont you say it?

TRINGO/SLINGO/SLOTS/GAMBLING is an event.......in what respect?

The EVENTS board is jammed packed solid with gambling and I'm sorry but texturing a box and buying Tringo does not,in my opinion anyway,constitute an attempt at entertaining anyone.

It's money making - plain and simple.

So you have the events board jammed with advertisements for gambling................

WE WANNA DO IT RIGHT!!

HERE AT ****** WE ARE GONNA HAVE AT LEAST 10 GAMES OF TRINGO WHERE ALL WE ASK IS FOR PARTICIPANTS TO ADD WHAT YOU LIKE TO THE POT AND THEN WE WILL ADD UP TO 200L OURSELVES TO EACH POT IN HOPES OF MAKING THE MINIMUM AT LEAST 400L GAME AFTER GAME. ALL TOP DOGS ARE WELCOME TO COME SHOW YOUR SKILLS AND GET THE MONEY. CONTRIBUTIONS FOR HIGH ROLLERS GAMES ARE SO VERY IMPORTANT TO MAKE IT TRUELY HIGH ROLLERS BUT IT IS NOT REQUIRED. OUR HIGHEST GAME THIS WEEK SO FAR WAS HUGE!! WOOT WOOT!! TONS OF CASH WILL BE GIVEN AWAY TODAY SO DONT MISS OUT!! COME ON OVER AND WIN AND CHILL!! ASK ******* OR ********** FOR A TP IF YOU NEED ONE.

Now someone explain to me how that constitutes an event please.I've seen these posted as things like 'COME PLAY TRINGO DRESSED AS A DEVIL' I mean come ON, for goodness sake!

Fair enough - Sexy Avi contests are not rocket science but at least there's interaction and planning goes on, at least the hosts make an attempt to entertain people.There is nothing wrong with the events boards beyond what Linden Labs allow to be posted its as simple as that.

I agree with you 100%. I certainly have no intention of posting 150 events per day. But I have staff members who depend on hosting for spending money. At 3 events per parcel, I have no choice but to split my land up. With 65,000m of land, I have the capacity to entertain ( a lot) and to provide income for a number of players. And I PAY dearly for that capacity, why should I be limited?

Another consequence to all of this is that although I may be able to host more events, my lsitings in favorite places will go down, because that dwell is spread out over several parcels now.

I think that the SL community would be served best it people were allowed to provide as many events as they wish. As for the types? The community will dictate what types of events are held by attending or not attending. The solution to clutter is better filtering and search tools.

Patrick - add your hosts to your land owner group as members and they can post.......

The most obvious change is the move to limiting the number of events that may be posted each day per Resident and per parcel to three.

rofl eventually you dont know how tringo/slingo " constitutes an event please." because you dont go to them right? it might not be entertaining fr you but it may be entertaining for PLENTY of people. It all depends on the host and how the host RUNS their event, obviously you dont know so dont say it. I, as a tringo host try to entertain my guests as much as i can and let me tell you they all love me. Im friendly, silly, fun and im a dork at times... my regular crowd comes all the time when i host why? because they enjoy tringo with me even tho there might be other postings,same hour. If a tringo event has a theme to it then why not ?it add more FUN into it, just like you go to your sexi avi contests and see a bunch of avs dancing and listening to music and dancing for that hour to find out you didnt win ? because thers only best male and female ...and what planning and interaction as you said? they have some pose balls and they hump? or they dance on dance poles? puhleaseeeee while people who play tringo HAVE FUN playing it, THEY LISTEN to GREAT MUSIC, THEY ARE AROUND GREAT PEOPLE,THEY LAUGH AND CRY TOGETHER BUT MOSTLY THEY ARE HAVING FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN so your little sexi avi contests ARE not any better then playing Tringo.

I agree that this is bad decision. If the calender system needed re-vamping due a much higher SL population, then find a way to improve the calender! Don't limit the events that can be posted to it! That's not a solution. That's a band aid to put off having to fix the calender.

Moonshine mentions spltting several 512's off a parcel to be able to post more events. Why not split one 512 into 32 16sq/m parcels so that you can post as many events as you want? It's not like anything is going to stop landowners from doing that.

If the calender needs upgrading then UPGRADE it, don't nerf the users access to it......

Dear Miss Platini,
Of course, owning and running the number one club in SL for over 6 months means I have no idea what I'm talking about,hell what do I know? I'm just a guy who goes to sexi avi contests.

Having the largest group in Second Life means nothing either,listening to the views of over 1000 people counts for nought.I'm just an ignorant who comes on to the forums and posts about things he knows sweet FA about.

If you choose to see a personal attack up there about your beloved Tringo then thats your problem,I dont know you from adam and other than your mafia connections I really cant remember a thing about you so I'll refrain from commenting about you or your personality.



No they do not - they love your money,money they cant make anywhere else because they are casual players. Before cancellation of event funding places and activities connected to gambling could'nt make it into the top 50 SL places let alone number one - coincidence? methinks not.

You dont run events you run games of chance - you gamble, and you make money from people while doing it so dont dress it up as some kind of crusade.I didnt say Tringo was wrong,I didnt say it was evil and I didnt say it was crap - I said it wasnt an event.My wife in SL is an avid Tringo player actually, and for much the same reason as 90% of the rest - because as a woman with no disernable skills with scripting/photoshop/building and being a busy woman in RL, her alternatives are taking her knickers off as an escort or......Tringo.

I also know of a few people who ENJOY the game - but it IS a game,its gambling, it's not an event Miss Platini.

Great idea! I think tabs and actual workable categories could help. My thought is, though, that arts events should be listed in their own category. As well, I'd love a cultural category for stuff like events that celebrate cultural traditions or diversity. Perhaps these could be combined into an Arts/Culture category.

Again, though, the crux of the problem is that SL is disabling the ability of events hosts to do this for a living. The virtual world will be filled with people who can build and create content (other than experiential content); landowners or coops able to host some events and recoup some of their costs who likely will have to buy lindens to survive; those content with buying Lindens and just shopping or playing tringo; those who struggle in this system and work against it or eventually abandon it for other lesiure activities.

I LOVE my second life. I even wear my SL t-shirt irl. BUT I love it so much that I want to see it succeed on a wider scale. It is too buggy for a true business model to prevail in game as it stands. Those who try to use other models are thwarted by policy changes that make the "world" feel rather like an earthquake underfoot. As events cannot be supported by player attendance in a world that crashes or lags when more than 10 people join in, they must be supported in other ways. The only workable model was erased. We need to ressurect payments by LL to hosts of events, and give people who don't own land some place where they CAN host events. Otherwise, we are turning into a place where class and land owning status are increasingly larger determinants of how one can enjoy the world; a place in which Prokofy's FIC would maybe even come to exist if it doesn't already (hasn't made her mind up on that count).

Anyway, enjoy your second life! I will enjoy mine (while supplies last).

And here endeth the lesson,thats probably the most intelligent thing I've read on these forums to date.

ROFL ARE YOU SHITTING ME ? i dont know how to quote lines but screw that...

first... you know me from who ?? and my mafia connections?? BACK UP BUDDY.. and get your FACTS streight before you say im mafia ... ROFL that just made me laugh, im not involved with any mafia thats not my thing so dont feed this threat BS information about someone you DONT even know... you dont know me i dont know you lets keep it that way... so therefore keep my name out of your mouth because you got NOTHING on me ... rofl i dont know where you even getting this info from but serisouly get your FACTS streight.. im far from that stuff

2nd ... your name is not Jenna Fairplay therefor you DONT run the #1 club

3rd... Tringo wasnt famous YET because it was just coming out ... other then that Bingo was still around and it packed other places... it didnt make #1 because unlike the #1 resort for tringo with many hosts and who are willing to host 24/7 others only hosted 2-3 times a day on an avrg. day....hmmmm

4.... just as much they may love my money they love me too, if you enjoy a host at an event it makes you want to come back so if you hosted so many "events" you would know .. yeah people like money but not EVERYONE PLAYS for money so dont give me this BS if you dont know... i know my crowd better then you do so if it makes you happy thinking your way let it be...

5.... hosting a GAME is an EVENT it might not be to you it might be to others... but does it look like i care what you think? NO... i make money from hosting? ROFL...look whos talking infact DONT make money from hosting tringo, i have a job that took a while to learn and thanks to a few people that has been my source of income in SL... i infact spend more then paying 100l for 5 games .. try 1-2k and prizes..... and if your wife plays tringo she knows just like any other event, this is not something 1,2,3 done .. this is not a gambling event .... this is not oh yeah vote on the best score and then get 5 votes by your friends and leave everyone else with nothing ...so if games is gambling then i guess that makes your events too ....

and as i said before ... you dont even know me dont put words into ppls mouth about me

*rolling eyes*

That attack on Tringo and Tringo fans is simply ridiculous. And, that is MY opinion. *sigh*

I LOVE Tringo. But, guess what.. I have been known to sit and play it for hours with just a couple of friends for NOTHING. That's right.. $0 in the pot to be won. I simply love the game. It entertains me. I do not see it as gambling. I see it as enjoyment and entertainment. Granted, a few see it as a way to make money. But, for every person in that mindset you will find 20 (or more) that simply love to play the game. Oh sure, you may ask.. if that is the case then why do they all promote L$ to be won? The answer is simple. They do it to make their Tringo session appealing. But ya know what? I know of a few places where the hosts do NOT start the pot off and their sessions are still full.. even with low and empty pots.

Do you remember a few months back? Before Tringo? Everyone was whining over the events being full of club events to simply dress up and dance. Does anyone but me remember how many screamed over this? Mob Mentality at it's best! Well.. then the Bingo craze hit and people bitched over the number of Bingo events. Now it is Tringo.. and people are at it yet again. I wonder what will be attacked next! LOL

The FACT of the matter is.. We have a large population. We all have different and varied interests. NO event is more important or less important than another. What is one person's clutter and junk event is another person's fondest entertainment.

It is childish and petty to go around blaming a certain event for the downfall of SL. Heck, it is downright ignorant. It is stupid for us to go around blaming and attacking fellow members and events when the real problem here is that the Event List itself needs to be upgraded to handle the growing population.

People who don't own land should be able to hold events. I have a 4k piece of land. It was undeveloped. I thought I'd make an event space after reading this thread. It is hard to make a decent looking space in just a couple of hours especially when for some reason, the repeats for texture seem to default to 20 instead of one (any thoughts?). So I just have a floor. If anyone wants to use it for an event, IM me and I'll put your event up. No tringo or money making events. Something you would put in a Linden event area if they were available.

Durango 28, 225

People who don't own land should be able to hold events. I have a 4k piece of land. It was undeveloped. I thought I'd make an event space after reading this thread. It is hard to make a decent looking space in just a couple of hours on a piece of landthat size especially when for some reason, the repeats for texture seem to default to 20 instead of one (any thoughts?). So I just have a floor. If anyone wants to use it for an event, IM me and I'll put your event up. No tringo or money making events. Something you would put in a Linden event area if they were available.

Durango 28, 225

I'm not a big fan of Tringo myself - I think there's too much of it, and its overdone. You'll never see a Tringo event at my place. But debating whether Tringo is an event is somewhat irrelevant - because its not the source of the problem, its just a symptom.

Having event filters & categories, along with unlimited event posting will not only solve the Tringo problem, but it could potentially make all sides of this debate happy in the end.

Let folks post whatever they want to the calendar - and let the community set filters on what they want to see, catered to them.

I see this kinda like complaining about there being too many cable channels. My DirecTV has 600 channels. If I showed them all in my on-screen guide, it'd take me forever to find anything to watch. But I set my guide filter to show only the channels I care about. Aint technology great?

Why can't we do the same?

Frankly, I think we're missing the point here. It really doesn't matter whether we like "Put on your best burlap wings and paisley thong so you can win $$$$/Come vote to see who's the whitest Uber-Sexy Goth" or "Come play Gra-bringo til the Earth explodes" events. Both are events whether they are the kind we like to go to or not. I think the real problem is that events are a customer controlled commodity.

The events you see the most of are the ones people like to go to. If "Come learn to twist a prim into a statue of David" events put places on the map, and filled sims, the calender would be filled with educational events. As we have seen, customers enjoy club events where they can win money. So the Lindens discontinue event support for these events. Now the customer base has switched to gambling events, because they can make some money at it. Now the Lindens have decided to limit access to the events schedule because it is too "cluttered."

This all really goes back to the ratings cost change. When people could make money by giving and receivings rates, they did so. When that was taken away, the population adapted and looked to events to make money for the things they wanted to buy in world. Now those options are being removed as well. I'm not real sure why a company, that purportedly would want to keep their customers happy, would keep taking away what their customer base demonstrates as things that make them happy. I mean, if people didn't enjoy these events they wouldn't be the most popular ones out there. If we start enjoying "educational" events, are they the next on the chopping block Jeska?

I know I have rambled quite a bit here, but I think you ought to let the events market decide what it wants rather than trying to engineer it for them. If the events calendar needs to be fixed, then fix it. Don't nerf it so it gets used less. That's just a cop out.

Yes actually I was,it's called pastiche - it was a crack at your name and your profesion - gambling/mafia/Platini ? ah never mind.Loosen the elastic there Chloe and take a deep breath.



I dont really need to answer that now do I

No no no!! I thought this was, as others have said, MY game.....an ADULT game. I'm an adult, let ME decide where and what I want to do when I want to. And what is or is not 'crap' or unimaginative'.

I am in the states but our SL friends from other parts of the world have a legitimate worry....limiting the events will make this game an Americans only game and be poorer for it....

As for Tringo why do so many people despise Tringo/Bingo/Slingo so much? Just don't go, it's that simple. And Tringo/Slingo/Bingo can be, and often are VERY social events.....take my word for it. Winning $L at these games is great too.....why knock it?

I suspect this may be an attempt to discourage 'Basic' accounts and encourage more people to upgrade to 'Premium' accounts. If this is the case I believe it will backfire.

So my dear Lindens if you truely look to the forums as a measure of what people do and don't want in SL I think the consensus is pretty clear.

I dont really need to answer that now do I [/QUOTE]
no you dont need to answer that because if you posted the whole quote it was already answered for you ....

a crack at my name and my profession ... honey im a designer thats my profession...
and there are you getting mafia? what amfia ? do you know me ? no ... so just because my last name is PLATINI and if theyrs a mafia then good for them dont say something you dont know you making yourself look like a FOOL...... and i dont need to breath i need people like you to mind their own buisness abuot my life coz as i sad before if you dont know something dont say it!

Before this thread gets derailed over drama...

Restricting what we can and can't post to the calendar is ineffectual.

Stop Micromanaging - and start using your awesome technology to solve the problem.

Give us event categories/filters & end restrictions. Pretty please.

hehe no drama at all just someone people like to make up stories and tell them to others..

and i agree with you just as i posted in threads before we need the filters, just a different calendar ...

i dont know if this is true, someone asked a linden last night and they were told that land owners willl be able to decide who can host on their land, kind of like the Estates for the private sim... that will be better then nothin but the # of 3 events per parcel still sucks =[

Well said as always!!!! I second the motion.