Should Yard Sales be banned from the events calendar??

From my experience, that is in fact quite rare for 95% of the 'events' that are listed.

Lewis

Yes as a matter of fact, remove commercial events entirely. Now I see stuff for stores in the Events Listing. It has become almost entirely useless. I understand that cleaning it up is a full time job at this point but you know, if one of you (linden types that do this sort of thing) dedicated a week or two (yes I know you don't have the time but hear me out) to cleaning out the damn events calendar -- and hit the abusers with a painful fine (money, banning (not perma), lack of posting rights, i don't care but hit them with something), people would soon learn and then it wouldn't take a week but just a glance or two a day. I know you guys are busy. Everyone is busy. But geesh why even have the thing at this point.

If we take yard sales out of events there will be almost nothing left!

I used to love going to classes but there never seem to be any listed anymore!

I will try to find classifieds. Hopefully there will be a few mentos for those who are not new but still needknowledgeable assistance!

I would have agreed with you a few weeks ago, but it seems everytime I log on Teasers has another class coming up.

Perhaps that's because so many of us who do run proper hosted events at set times have virtually given up doing so, because the calendar is so cluttered with repeated postings of the same non-event? I know that I would run more events if there wasn't so much junk for my event to get lost amongst.




TeaZer's events may be numerous, but they're generally all different classes... take a closer look, you won't find 20 repeats of the exact same event three hours apart. I've never actually been to one of TeaZer's events, but their reputation is good enough for me in my capacity as Greeter to refer newbies there.

Lewis

Back in the day My sister & I used to host Yard sales & Flea markets & while in it of itself I suppose some would consider that it's not an *event* If you take a really good look at the Events Calendar much of what's on there I personally do not consider to be events either.

What My sister & I used to do when he hosted yardsales (which we & our friends were in attendance & was a vrey fun & social thing to do) Was we would offer things like Trivia, treasure hunts,etc during them. This way people came for fun & stayed to shop.

Of course SL has changed alot since those days.......

& to the comment someone made about Only being able to sell nocopy items & what's the point & it's wrong to sell them cause it's someone else blah blah blah..

The POINT is it's a nice incentive to clean up that inventory (most people I know have a very clutterd one). IMO as long as the item is properly discounted (generally 50% less as best you can remember that you paid) & you're not selling COPIABLE items of someone else's creations then I see nothing wrong with it at all. You're not making a profit off someone else's work in this scenario you're merely recooping a lil bit of the $ you paid.
no different then having a RL yard/garage sale.

Too True!!!!

Also add in the fact that it seems most people would rather *camp out* then actually have to participate & do something at an "event" these days.

But by its nature, isn't an "event" two way participatory by those who attend?

I mean.... take my guided tours round SL.... people come along because they want to see where I am going to take them, and view the different builds. Similarly a concert/show, people want to see/hear what they are going to. A class... because they want to learn.

But perpetual sales, camping events, and *ingo really don't qualify as 'events' in my book, because they are going on all the time. Events have a beginning and an end, and midnight to midnight every 3 hours for 3 hours does not qualify.

Culling the crap from the events calendar had a great start... now it seems they've given up again. A simple sort of the events calendar in-world can show me exactly which are duplicated events of the same entry, so how come a Linden doesn't seem to be able to see it?

What do we have today as our 'rogues gallery' of the most serious calendar spammers?

A "yard sale" posted 8 times for 3 hours duration..... 24 hour perpetual non event.

A "valentine sale" posted 24 times for 1 hours duration .... 24 hour perpetual non event.

"Low Rent" posted 3 times... non event

Multi party Yard Sale posted 5 times for 3 hours duration.... 15 hours perpetual non event

New Mall event posted 4 times for 3 hours.... 12 hours perpetual non event

Fishing and boating event posted 5 times for 3 hours.... 15 hours perpetual non event


I just went to all of those places above... only one actually had anyone in it, and they were actually talking to a guest... the rest the event lister couldn't even be bothered to turn up.

That above as the obvious spams count for 49 out of 161 entries - almost a third of today's events.

Wouldn't it be nice to have a "Report inappropriate entry" on the calendar so someone somewhere can check and clear the rubbish?

Lewis

Lewis points to a definer--that if the event lister, who is often (but not always the host) isn't present, then it's likely not an event. Because an event must have a host present as it sez in the rules:



And if the event lister isn't there, they should still know who's hosting.



Yup, continuing thoughtline. Sure would be!

It is truly depressing that the culling has stopped. There were almost two calendar days devoid of crap. Or at least the crap that was still there wasn't the majority of events. If one hadn't been able to notice the difference it would be a moot point but the calendar was a lot different with the culling.

Probably why they gave up, sheer volume of crap they had to purge.

Only if they didn't issue warnings or remove posting privileges for a week to those perpetrators of the multiple event spamming of the list.

If people won't respect the rules for posting on the list... then they need to be enforced, harder and harder. Not just against the people posting as most are probably alts, but also against the venue being advertised.... until they learn.

Lewis

That was short lived.

And if they do it again just block their IP address and delete their inventory! Take it easy Lewis.

slingo = group activity on owned land, and is a competition

Maybe we should redefine art exposes as nonevents since all you're doing is selling a product like yard sales do. Hey that sounds about right..Ill report every selling event on the lists from now on as the equivalent as a yard sale. And get friends to do it.

so... abuse the abuse reporting system? Sure, why not?

Since when do yard sales last more than a weekend or 2? If a "yard sale" has been running consistently for at least 1 month, is it still a "yard sale" or is it a resale shop?

I guess, to be fair..... it was the weekend.

Lewis

It's difficult to judge an event and a non-event - I would however say that a proper event doesn't last for hours on end consecutively on multiple posts that fill the calendar.

Sadly the limit of 5 posts per day is easily got round with a couple of alts - in fact you only need one alt to post 8 three hour back to back 'events' for a 24 hour free advertisment.

Lewis

For the most part, I agree with this statement - I added a [perpetual] in brackets above to make it a 100% complete agreement.

Once an event crosses over into being 'perpetual' - its no longer an event - instead its something that belongs as a classified listing.

It would be nice if we had a restriction against posting an identical event within an 8 hour period. Unfortunately, that'd be way, way, way too easy to game - I don't see how that could be enforced without a lot of human effort.

Although I am holding a yard sale right now to rid of some of my 26,000 items (dont ask).

I personally DO NOT think it is an event and should be in clasifieds. Afterall arent we trying to pattern a society here. In Rl (if I remember correctly) Dont we have to "pay" a newspaper to advertise such an event? (its been awhile since I held a rl yard sale).

I think by charging for a yard sale posted, will help weed out those yard sales that are technically 2nd hand, pawn shop, used item stores & places. I am useing a small section of my land to name it as yard sale. I did not post it as an event.

I do thnk that a one week yard sale should go in classifieds for a week and be charged 250L (or the going rate). Also if someone wants a continuious yard sale..they should just advertise as second hand store. I am setting more and more silly things out I bought that I do not use and have considered having a second hand sale til my inventory is lowered.

I have before had sales named... "Why did I buy this or this many sale"..haha

GoldieFawn

yes!!! Thank you very much. Finally!