what was SL like before Tringo?

This is an idea for smaller events: Perhaps the owners of malls and shops with enough floor space could provide space to host the smaller events, like art exhibits, show and tell, craft, story telling, poetry reading etc etc. If the person hosting/running/organising the event charged a small fee to participate, such as $10L per person, paid directly to them (it would be up to you to keep a track of who has paid) and the store owner would be getting dwell + exposure for their stuff. If the event fited with the store, such as a drum making work shop set in an Art Gallery, or scary stories in a goth clothing shop (you get the idea) this could be quite beneficial for both the host, participants and store owner.

When a participant arrived at the event you could have one of those scripts set up that automatically issues new arrivals with a notecard, the note card could say something like:

"This event is hosted by.... and suported by <store> If you would like to <contribute to the discussion, contribute to the story, stay for the lesson etc> please pay <host> $10"

The host would then need to simply note the arrivals (an anounce script object would) help, give the new arrivals a few minutes to see if they wont to stay and then if they don't get any payment simply IM the person and remind them nicely that they need to contribute $10 to stay.

For events that require prizes: photo comps, new objects ect, I'm sure someone could create a voting script that cost a small fee to vote for each entered item, the person who wins the most votes gets the voting money, this prize would vary each time but it has some potential I think.

Any way just some ideas.

I agree, a welcome area bord that gave landmarks would be great, perhasp one that excluded gambling and Adult Only events

Before the changes, events were a hotbed of racketeering and favortism. People would host fake competitions in which they awarded their friends the prize money (usually L$500) and they would pocket the L$250 host fee. Do this a couple times a day, a couple times a week, and you have rampid corruption.

The Linden changes were brilliant and well needed.

Just my two.

I held many events both before and after the changes. Also I went to many events. Perhaps some folks had favouritism and racketeering when it comes to delivering prizes, but this is surely an outcomeof the way events monies were limited to contests only, with the majority of the grant incentives going to prizes rather than host fees. I believe that if there was a fund hosts could apply to to make creative, fun events (minus prize monies: those can be provided by landowners or sponsors if they are needed at all) then we would continue to see more fun non-profit events rather than only best swimsuit contests and gambling.

The hotbed of favouritism still exists, Jamie, as the best swimsuit contests and sexy avie contests are as popular as ever. The names of the clubs holding them have changed, and who funds them has also changed. But they bring in big traffic as people hope to compete with the host's best friend. So that never changed. What did change was that people running creative events now have to beg to be compensated for their labour and seldom see any benefit from that. OR they make the cheapest, easiest event possible and get paid their money from the club owners for keeping people there at all cost, numbly shuffling in the required outfit of the hour and changing into the next outfit for the next contest. In all, the events funding changes have not eliminated the low-effort events. In fact, these events seem to be everywhere. What is missing is the high-effort events that do better when hosts are funded.

While I disagree with Jamie over these changes being 'brilliant' - she's absolutely right - there was heavy abuse of the support system while it was in place. Not by everyone - but where abuse did go on, it was done with wanton.

It just made it tougher on those of us who abade by the rules.


Before Tringo - we had AV contests - and lots of them. Because support funded up to $500($750) in prizes, they were easy to put on regardless of one's resources.

I remember fellow newbies, and later regulars of mine - that made a 'living' going from contest to contest. Do some folks make a living off Tringo today?

Hi Travis!

I relay my experience as one example. When I became an offical resident of SL, I made a 1 time purchase of L$ from IGE. Since I do not posses the talent nor the patience to build, script or animate, I have made money the only way I know how and that is through gambling.

I regularly play Tringo and win quite often. I also play the higher limit black jack tables and video poker machine. In the almost month I have been here I have completely paid for all my expenses this way. Certainly it is not the most sure-fire way to ensure a return on my investment, but is is something I enjoy. In the past 24 hours alone I have won L$45,000 and am only L$15,000 shy of my inital $L purchase. If I consider land purchases, my addiction to buying a new outfit each day, donations for Pride and "helping newbie groups," Tringo and Slingo donations, as well any $L my RL roommate who also plays spends, I have done quiet well.

It is not making a living per se, but does go to show that someone can successfully stay in the red soley through games of chance.

I'd love to see the return of the SL Basics and Building classes, particularly in the off hours. If that takes Linden incentives, so be it. Notecards and towers are good, but they are often unable to answer unanticipated questions that come up in events from new arrivals who are (imagine!) eager to learn.

I'm spending time building close to the WA, and online during the U.S. evening. I've had an average of one orientation conversation a day with a random pedestrian, let's say about 10-20 minutes a day. These are people technically inclined enough to do more than walk around the WA with a bike on their head asking how to remove it. They're smart, funny, have the feel of potential long-term residents, and overwhelmed by the possibilities of Second Life. Do you really want the likes of me telling them where to go or what to do next?

Wow.. No host chats..

*sigh*

i guess its time for every one and their dog to get out there and start hosting events.

the event page used to be a good place to go when there was nothing to do.

I must admit, I have tried to host Non Tringo parties, there are no *ingo games anywhere on my property, but to be hoenst how many people want to actually hang out and socialize when they could be clicking on buttons and not talking. LOL even Linden's will agree, I am more than willing to take time to show what we are trying to accomplish *ingo free. But for unknown reasons <wink> the competition from the best lingerie, pimps and 'ho's, best in black, red green whatever color, and promises of nekkie tringo bingo slingo, mingo dingo ummm any other *ingp's I may have missed is overwhelming.

Or my other personal favorite, having people just out of the welcome center asking where we can go to have sex. (not that politely of course)

Just seems like there is no interest in having a good time playing trivia, telling stories, and doing things other than simulated sex for money.

Sad but true. Heck even a lets rate the host party would be a nice change once in a while.

There is a contest and an exhibit running all the time at The Photography Studio in Grignano, with really good resident snapshots-to-theme using the provided backdrops. The shows are always worth seeing and the contests are creative fun and engage one's imagination.

I do think we have trouble these days getting people to know about really great things to see and do. I don't know why that is. Some wonderful projects die on the vine.

David, remember the gracious times like that when we used to IM each other and say, Gee I am having an event then, perhaps you might want to move your event back or forward a bit?

And you know, we had great times, & made money all the same... Much as I know things have to change, there are the days I long for those times... Especially then the Lindens still announced events and we actually got "gussied up" and scurried off to something exciting when we knoew handsome guys like yourselves would be there... (winks) Don't let Mash see this LOL - Those times made spellbound great and mad us want to do wonderful things... We will again, it just seems harder now...

With love, Baccara

Yes its sad that with a wonderful ' second life' a chance to innovate, thrill, expand imagination, create things and places of wonder.. and harness creative minds.. to produce virtual magic.. we end up with *ingo....


Disappointing isn't it... but thats shumans for you...

(shumans... sheep crossed with humans..)

but sadly seems that's what they want...
wasteful

Come on people! Get with the program.

Ok, Tringo is everywhere and we don't like it. What can we do about it? LL stopped supbsidizing events and we don't like it. What can we do about it?

Instead of giving up hope and counting on "them" (whoever that is in your mind) to fix things, take matters into your own hands. All the tools are available to you. First off, create some good content. Or if your content is education or lecturing or poetry etc, then get creative with your marketing; don't just rely on the event list. Secondly, charter a group, or better yet a foundation to help support more rich event hosting. Call it something like "The Foundation for More Rich Event Hosting". Get people organized and donate to this foundation and then subsidize the events yourself. Publicize this foundation and get other event/club/land owners to contribute. Create a seal for them to place somewhere ("This is an FFMREH approved event". Get them to donate a portion of their proceeds.

EDIT: Call it "The Anti-*ingo Foundation" or A*F for short.

The point is... go out there and make it happen. Don't just blame LL/*ingo/whatever else is currently in the spotlight.

Ok, now that I've come out with it, I think it's a pretty damn good idea.

Who wants to help me start the A*F ("Anti-*ingo Foundation"? We'll need to figure out how to work the dues and paying out to event hosts. So I imagine we'll need a trust worthy treasurer or some sort of system to help with the trust factor. We'll need a charter statement, something that describes why we exist and what our goals are.

To make this work, we need volunteers on the fronts of marketing, organization, and public relations.

Anyone wanting to be a member reply to this thread. I'm working a lot lately so can't get in-world too much, but all we need at this point are interested peoples.

Any thoughts on the strucuture of this thing would help, as well as how can we truly provide benefits for event hosters. People need to proud to be A*F sponsored.

The point of this is not to foster the "tringo sucks and so does anyone who plays it" attitude, so maybe Anti-*ingo is inappropriate. Can anyone else think of a better name?
EDIT: The real point is to provide a *user-created* mechanism to drive great new content and events. We need to stop being so dependant on LL to solve all our problems. This is a platform, both for content development and for community. We'll show 'em....

EDIT: I've created a new thread for this so I don't hijack this one: click here

Sounds great. Run with it.