I am ready to give up on events.

HI Susie,

Your event was too early for me to attend, sorry. Sometimes RL gets in the way of SL. And sometimes SL gets in the way of RL. This is a hard time of the year to have events, due to so many holiday activities, as well as schools being out and students are at home, perhaps without their high speed connections.

Oh, and I have been kidnapped, so I couldn't project my essence that far away! (RP)

The time zone issue is a real problem.

I wish there were event category that included just getting together to chat in an informal kind of way, rather than either "disussions" or "nightlife/entertainment."

Also, people have taken to posting non-events that have no host again, so you show up and no one is there and nothing is happening. (why the heck do they do that?) I know the Lindens don't want to police the events calendar, but this has gotten out of hand.

We really also need a category for "24/7" events, like tringo parlors, so that we could get this stuff off the event calendar and still make it easy to find for those who want to jump into an ongoing round of tringo or poker.

I do not think I am willing to give my ideas away for free, especially since no one else seems to be willing to clothe and shelter me here.

My point was, there are some fairly fundamental things that are considered 'required' in social venues for success and popularity and that most places I have visited simply do not provide them.

I like The Shelter, they are pretty consistent in giving a strong social environment to their visitors. I notice however, that they are about to have to tier down due to lack of support by the community of Second Life. That says a lot, and not much of it is positive.

I have considered event coordinator as a possible job here. But as much as people complain about prices, I cannot imagine what I would charge would be attractive ($L 30k baseline +expenses for non-unique event, $L 120k baseline +expenses for unique event, lead time of two weeks required for non-unique, three weeks for unique, excluded any cost of advertising of event).

There is a lot of potential, but too many people try to 'do it themselves' in the name of hoarding 'all the revenue' and, in the process, usually wind up losing revenue and opportunity to create it.

I built the Blue Note ... and with determination and consistency of One Great Event, I built it to a place where people go ...... but of course, anyone can move in next door to you so dont plan on anything charming or classy in SL anymore

I don't offer sex or free money at my nightclub.

I've organised four events so far. One party, and three 'mystery tours' round the game.

The first one, 5 turned up.

The second one, 4 turned up.

The third one, nobody turned up.

The fourth one, nobody turned up.


I'd love to know what people want organised in game for them to do - because it seems that there are quite a few of us who realise SL is far more about pornographic poseballs and camping chairs - but as the game is so big and the proper facilities for categorising properties don't really exist, we are too spread out to actually get anything together.

It's not like there's no demand.... as there obviously is, looking at this thread and others.... but the problem is things being lost in the events calendar by all the crap. On the TSO Stratics forum, the calendar is fully moderated, so all events have to be approved before they are put up. I'm sure that there are many of us who would be more than glad to help by removing 'non events' and otherwise policing the calendar.

Lewis

Advertising is a real must for events. Considering this is true in the real world, I'm surprised people do not understand or accept that it is as true in the virtual one.

Word Of Mouth campaigns are MUCH easier to start and maintain in a virtual world than in a real one... and still people do not pursue them. Could it be they do not know how?

I read this thread and it really makes me want to try getting an event coordination business running. That's what I do in the real world and there are a LOT of synergies between real and virtual in this area.

As I said previously, the only thing holding me back is that people do not seem willing to actually pay what such a service is worth. I see a lot of people talking about sharing ideas, but few actually doing it and everyone looking to someone else to do the footwork and organize/present information.

If anything, I've learned very quickly not to give things away for free. I watched a friend of mine spend two hours talking to someone and three days building them concept pieces only to have them steal the concept pieces, use them to make something on their own, and they never even paid for it.

I'm all for making things happen, but not at my own expense.

Yes.

What else is new?

As a side note I posted a non-event and it was quite well attended despite no host, no prizes and no nothing. Maybe those guys have something.

About a month and a half back, I opened a little place I call the Radio Theatre. It's a submerged, retro-deco building where I occassionally do an evening's broadcast of old radio shows. (Jack Benny, Goon Show, etc..)

Anyway, I have run exactly one "event" there, meaning I only bothered to use the event posting system once. The reason? It didn't do a bit of good for me. I doubt anyone even saw my event posting.

So, I fell back onto word of mouth - and I haven't looked back. I don't always end up with a full house, but I'm developing a cadre of regulars, dotted with a few newcomers.

Word of mouth works well, but it also takes time to build a reputation.

It'd be interesting to see how many people like going to events that feature interacting with scripted things, how many go to see/hear media, how many for social, etc. The type of attraction may be a little railroaded by the sex and camping chairs folks, but I'm sure there's a lot more that can be done to make things fun.

Kinda relates to a thread or comment I read recently about SL being boring for non-builders. Creative events would be a great boon for those people who don't build and chat all the time.

Great discussion, too. I like the idea of event coordination, too. Figuring out what people want to do is a little tricky though, but vital.

Hi guys..... if you want to know waht events are on inworld right now, let me take a guess for you.

Ummmmm...a yard sale, another yard sale, a half price clothes sale, a money chair 40$ every 10 mins, another yard sale...yada yada yada.


I gave up even looking at events about 2 months ago, the whole thing is a massive farce. The ONLY thing i have even seen staying afloat of all the useless events is the Primworx Show & Tell.

Roll on with teh death of dwell bonuses! Screw the phase in period, be done with it.

Why are we having this phase in period anyway? To adjust? Hell, if you want real money get a job already! lol

At Withnail Academy, we've had Tall Tales, Japanese lessons, discussions of philosophy, and discussions of ethics. As well, we've had the more mundane building, texturing and scripting lessons.

Events are usually advertised in the event listing and generally well-attended.

-WW

Er...

I mean, I know it ain't everybody's thing, but what about Primtionary, huh? Everybody likes Primtionary!

I do... I remember playing it at Jamie Otis's TLC campus last year, he was so encouraging and I was such an awful "builder"!

WOW $L 120K baseline + expenses for one unique event?(last I checked thats around $400 USD!!)

I'll give up all my SL work for $110K baseline + expenses for one event every 3 weeks(you SAVE $L 10,000 ) ...plus you pay to advertise. Mercy. I'm totally in the wrong biz here.

Lemme see..I would have to sit on my behind in a camping chair for like 400 days to make that kinda money. Surely NO ONE is that rich..but if you are ...

Please HIRE ME !

Frankly....I think SL is just a mirror of RL.

Cultural events and gatherings of any kind will attract only those who are actually interested in those things in RL. I love to cook in real life....so if someone in SL starts a cooking school I will be the first to sign up to be a teacher there...I make a mean NY cheese cake. LOL! I'd start one of my own...but I don't have the time or money to buy property or maintain it. But i'd be willing to host a cooking class. That would be fun for me.

However in light of that...in RL the "majority" of people are motivated first by "money" then by "sex". That is why the majority of people on SL either own huge properties that are paying out tons of money for dance pads and camping chairs and making tons of money doing so, or they are the ones sitting in them. Then there are the sex sites...which hardly needs explaining. If you ask a crowd of people what they would rather do... " make a few hundred bucks dancing" or "attend an event of any kind"...what do you think they are going to pick to do? Same goes for sex....if my husband has the choice of "sex or a movie".....well do I need to say more?

Events are great in and of themselves and I am a huge supporter of art, cultural events, and educational classes myself....but not everyone is. The world is very diverse, and so SL will most likely be the same...even more so here in this fantasy enviroment.

Personally I would like to see a way that everyone is happy and entertained in SL. I don't like the idea of taking something away to encourage or force someone to do something else. That never works. People do what they want to do, not what others want them to do. Incentives are a way to introduce an event to those who otherwise would not attend...then once they do, they may like it, or they may not...that's life in RL and I think it's the same in SL as well.

I'm happy and quite pleased to say that we at The Dream Builders did the opening of a new club Ruins at the rainforest on the 28th. We featured a awesome build of a Mayan temple ruins set in a tropical rian forest with a one of a kind revolving Aztec Calender dance floor where it actually rains on the dance floor. We had no money chairs, 3 great live DJ's no money balls, or raffles and our 3 contests did not give away money but rather the prizes were awesome clothes sponsored by some of SL's best designers. The result we packed the house, built the the beginnings of a great guest list and hell a hell of a lot of fun. So much so that we did a fair amount of business last night as well. For the record our hosts were cordial and friendly and not only greeted each new arrival but also thanked them for coming when they left and chatted them up while they were there.

Additionaly we train the hosts and the club owners at all our clients to do the same. The result= the 3 clubs we work with. Ruins, Bent Minds, and the Blareny Stone have increased there business, cut there costs, put on fun events for all, and have the friendliest staffs in all SL. I urge you all to frequent those fine establishments and see what a good time with friendly people is really all about

Lastly we have taken on some new clients so look for some future announcements about clubs,spas and casinos who are going to be doing it right and making SL fun again


Remember the name: The Dream Builders - Master Land Project consultants changing the face of SL one venue at a time

For all the people who like games and making money but aren't into Trigo/Slingo etc., and aren't big on content-creation, there are fighting tournaments... however currently there aren't very many going on.

As far as I know, there are four: The Wilderness tournament, which is Gorean and doesn't post in the SL Events column, the BattleMace competitions, and the BladeMaster tournament, which I generally host once a week. It is a fairly successful event, but it's only 2 hours out of the whole week. There's also SL Boxing, which is a huge success.

I'm curious... do these dance clubs and camping chair casinos actually make profit? Does LL actually pay them more for the dwell a camper is generating than the casino pays back to the camper? And do the clubs earn more in dwell incentives than they spend on their raffle balls and prizes? I really don't understand the proliferation of these clubs...

Anyway, my goal is to eventually work towards creating a new niche in SL; a sort of "Gladiator" type of sub-culture, with lots of fighters, betters, and sponsors. Soon, I may be hosting more frequent tournaments with smaller prize pots (previously, BM tournaments have had pots from 1000-6500L) in addition to the larger ones once a week...

I've built a place that I have always wanted in the RL , A chillout lounge where people can just hangout - listen to relaxing music and chat and mingle with others. Pretty much like the coffee shops from the 60's but with a modern perspective.( im in my 20's )

I hope to have a weekly " gathering " / event where people know at a set time there will be a bunch of others attending.

Sure I'll give out some Lindens at random but shock horror I'm not out to make money, just to have a good laugh and mingle with others.

Yes there is a VIP section where you could " get it on " but thats part of any place.

So if you fancy something without money chairs, pole dancers but still a modern hangout where anything goes just not in your face.

Check me out soon(ish).

I'm currently paying a few people to give out my landmark and t-shirt to people at random and most of my time in SL is spent just connecting with people talking about regular stuff and pointing them in the direction of my place.

I'm a newbie to SL only a few weeks into game but my place seems to get people attending without the garish porn on the walls or the dudes in female avatars trying to earn $20L an hour pole dancing.

I'm currently working on getting a "legal " vintage 1930's movie to be shown in the club as an added bonus.

I think its important to think out the box not just follow the crowd and just copy what is around you.

The fact the the events function is abused is something that needs to be addressed for the benefit of all.

As far as I am concerned the best club I have seen so far is/was the Blue Note and I hope it gets back up full time again. No money chairs, no sex (You can go back home for that) just plain good music, great friends, a great atmosphere, and a fantastic DJ. I would love to see more clubs that have full time 24/7, ballroom type dancing, romantic atmosphere, and a place for all the ladies in SL to show off all those beautiful gowns they have been buying, the men to strut off their tux's and suits. There are only a few that do have this type of dancing but they are only open for weddings and special events. Let's get more of this type up and running. I would love to have a club like this, I just can't afford the tier but would love to run and manage one if someone wants to sponsor it.

Not to be confused with Dreambuilders - which is a retail establishment (formed back in 2004). In future, you might wish to consider a business name that does not so closely mimic someone else's

I agree with you Sara, and I would like to add that if anyone has a cool event they want to start or host, I have a lovely outdoor area in Scafell called The Pond. You can find it in Places. It actually crosses the Grizedale border so you can host up to 80 people...what ever happened to hundreds of people in a sim with NO LAG???

Anyway, depending on the event, I charge minimal to no fee whatsoever. Feel free to drop me an IM in world and we'll talk about setting up a schedule. I would love to have your cooking class at The Pond!

I've had Show and Tells, Primtionary and a party there...I also have a group for people who want to promote creative things to do in their SL, just IM me if you want to be a member, The group list is only to announce your creative events. I hope to hear from many of you soon.

It seems to me that the event listing abuse has become much worse recently.

LindenLab, Would it be possible to tell us what the remediation plan is, so we can discuss it before you go to a lot of development effort? The community is pretty good at identifying ways in which a system can be cheated/gamed.

Early communication with the stakeholders will save long-term development effort. Therefore, you save money and your shareholders are happy.

I think we will see some changes............ /invalid_link.html

Yes, there has been alot of internal discussion on the best way to handle the problem. The key is finding a policy balance that creates value for the listings without excluding or discouraging posts. As it stands now there is a big problem of people posting events that are clearly classified ads. Event listings are free, classifieds are not. One obvious solution would then be simply charge to post events listings. Another, more likely immediate fix is what Robin is referring to....simply building more effective tools to combat abuse. Feel free to leave your comments and concerns here. Thanks!