Clubs Making Money
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Doubledown Tandino
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07-25-2006 10:45
I just want to point out, yesterday, at club Republik, I DJed for 2 hours and made about $1500 in tips, the host for the event made about $600 in tips. There were 20+ good people there having a good time, enjoying what they were hearing, and showing appreciations in tips. Club Republik made $0 in donations during that time.
After I was done, I tipped following DJs and hosts, plus was online throughout the night checking out some other shows and tipping them too.
So tipping does happen. Especially performer to performer and host. That circle of appreciation is good. However the venues making the most effort are still suffering.
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Leigh Childs
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07-25-2006 11:55
From: someone You know why? 98% of them are AFK all the time...that is why people dont get tipped or paid well. Its basically sleeping on the job... No. Most hosts rarely even go AFK during an event, even to run to get coffee or to the bathroom, so don't be lumping everyone into one big 98% blanket exaggeration. Tips are down, way down--period. AFK has nothing to do with it. |
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Usagi Musashi
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07-25-2006 16:48
hahaha tips......well
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Usagi Musashi
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07-25-2006 16:54
From: Tya Fallingbridge You know why? 98% of them are AFK all the time...that is why people dont get tipped or paid well. Its basically sleeping on the job... I know this! Thereis a few top clubs havibf afk...TIPS? well it more likey from owners alts etc...... |
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Metallia Stygian
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Bring back the Dwell MONEY
07-25-2006 16:58
Do the clubs not make SL entertaining.. ??? I cannot begin to speak of the RL money spent running a club.. (Jesse we should compare) .. Please SL . bring back the DWELL Cash.. WE NEED IT !! 
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Tya Fallingbridge
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07-25-2006 18:47
From: Leigh Childs No. Most hosts rarely even go AFK during an event, even to run to get coffee or to the bathroom, so don't be lumping everyone into one big 98% blanket exaggeration.
Tips are down, way down--period. AFK has nothing to do with it. i beg to differ... |
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Usagi Musashi
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07-25-2006 18:51
Host that need a drink go to the bathroom etc always happens....... Very very go away from keyboard during high population events. I had th experience( being preggie in real life ) and doing the events. Throwingup during a event that was holding 40 is not easy but it was done ...
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Doubledown Tandino
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07-25-2006 20:32
I don't think tips are down for performers and hosts at all... but only at places where there is real content. Going to a popular club, that has nothing but people dancing gets old quick... and people won't continue to tip that.
However live music and clubs with live djs usually get tips if its a good show and fun time
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Kyrah Abattoir
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07-25-2006 21:14
i think compelling event could even ask a cover charge, but i see rarely events that deserve it
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Usagi Musashi
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07-25-2006 22:27
well i wish i livedn you world on sl. which in the most part does not exist.
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Jesse Murdock
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07-26-2006 08:28
From: Kyrah Abattoir i think compelling event could even ask a cover charge, but i see rarely events that deserve it Always open to suggestions for good fresh event ideas
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Horris Fitzcarraldo
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07-26-2006 08:41
From: Kyrah Abattoir i think compelling event could even ask a cover charge, but i see rarely events that deserve it I wonder about that. I mean you ask yourself what would you pay to go see (or hear)? A live musician? Yes, if say Elton John was playing the piano and singing yeah I'd probably pay. A live musician I've never head of? Probably not. Live DJ? Hmm, probably not. I know some live DJs that would be worth a cover, but would I go to a club and pay a cover if I didn't know the DJ? No. A Play? Maybe. If somebody was doing a play and somehow managed to get all the actors voices live it might be reasonable. Charity Auction? yeah, you could charge a cover for that and get away with it. Any event that wants to charge a cover better have something exceptional. |
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Azazel Trescothick
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07-26-2006 09:13
One huge reason why it's hard to break even or make money with clubs is because nobody is willing to put their foot down and charge a door fee. They are scared they will lose their traffic but seriously, what does traffic get you now if you are thinking about making up for the cost of the land or turning a profit from your venue? NOTHING! Before maybe but now there is no incentive for people to build up traffic and so now when you look at the events, you don't see as many events regarding contests or if you go to a contest you find that workers are staging contests and giving the money to their friends rather than the best in blue or whatever that contest is. It's difficult but people can pay for venues if they like it. When clubowners put their foot down so they can at least make money to pay for their staff is the day you might see clubs turning into a profit. Maybe all of those money balls and clubs that feel obligated to hand out all of that cash are just like bribery and too try hard. Some clubs I go to for the enviroment and the music but most of the clubs, hate to say it but I'm just there to win your contests and raffles and alot of other people are too. I don't go to your stores with neon pink dresses. I don't listen to your music if it's lame like Warrant for example. If you had a club with a good enviroment, good staff, good music...I'd pay to enter. You're a club...not a welfare program for SL. Please step it up and take risks. Step outside of the boundaries and make people pay a door fee. Cut the welfare cord unless you don't think your club is good enough then by all means, give and give till you go bankrupt. Keep the sploder running though! |
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Azazel Trescothick
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07-26-2006 09:18
From: Horris Fitzcarraldo I wonder about that. I mean you ask yourself what would you pay to go see (or hear)?
A live musician? Yes, if say Elton John was playing the piano and singing yeah I'd probably pay.
A live musician I've never head of? Probably not.
Live DJ? Hmm, probably not. I know some live DJs that would be worth a cover, but would I go to a club and pay a cover if I didn't know the DJ? No.
A Play? Maybe. If somebody was doing a play and somehow managed to get all the actors voices live it might be reasonable.
Charity Auction? yeah, you could charge a cover for that and get away with it.
Any event that wants to charge a cover better have something exceptional. You never know unless you try. People go to clubs all the time in RL that don't have live musicians and if it comes out of their pocket, they tend to take their time there more seriously and don't take it for granted as much. It could also help with griefing. Griefers would have to pay to enter too.  |
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Tya Fallingbridge
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07-26-2006 09:51
From: Horris Fitzcarraldo
A live musician I've never head of? Probably not.
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Why not? They could BE the next Elton John.
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Horris Fitzcarraldo
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07-26-2006 10:34
Ok, live musicians yeah and I just used Elton John as an example. But think about it, most clubs you go to IRL have a band, and reproducing a band in SL is difficult, unless the band all happens to live in the same town. So you are mainly left with solo performers. The sound and music limitations also cripple things like plays because face it, if you have a stage, and people are chatting in the background, the immersiveness takes a nose dive and god help us if somebody has the reach out attachment turned on during a death scene I know of solo performers in SL that one could get away with charging a cover for. It *might* even be possible to cover costs doing that, but honestly to keep such a club up you'd have to have multiple artists since your audience would get tired of the same person every day-and you guys can consider this, lets say Bad Girls started featuring Wonder Musician and got a lineup of 10 artists to cover every day of the week for multiple hours.........unless the owner signed an exclusive contract with the performers, then you would have other club owners hiring the performers and featuring in their club to lure their market crowd.......and most of the other owners wouldn't have a cover charge to keep up their market share. And SL citizens aren't all dumb, why pay when you can get something "free" Live musicians are AN answer but not THE answer.... Keep going though guys, I'm getting ideas looking through this thread |
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Wagahai Oddfellow
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07-26-2006 11:58
Part of the problem with the clubs and finances thread we have here is that not all clubs are there for the same purpose. Additionally, to make it work for clubs to charge a cover fee, most clubs would have to change to that at the same time... Money talks. Although there are "some" who would change their normal hangouts to hear better music for a fee, the reality is there are more who follow the $. Anytime a new club opens offering the $10/min camping etc, even my most loyal regulars will go there.
In response to the "what good is the traffic since dwell and DI are gone?" question - it still counts as advertising. For areas that do more than have a club, the "traffic" totals help the malls/stores and other things at the location. (this is where the "not all clubs are there for the same purpose" comes in to play)
As odd as it may sound to say it, the current system is in effect because it works. There are clubs that have specialized music and charge a cover, there are some that pay everyone to dance and be chatty, there are those who exist for the sake of existing and being a hangout. Rarely do any make an income - we still all do it because it's what we enjoy doing. The only time finances come into play in a negative way is really with competing with Linden sponsored events/instructors/etc.
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Azazel Trescothick
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07-26-2006 12:48
From: Horris Fitzcarraldo Ok, live musicians yeah and I just used Elton John as an example. But think about it, most clubs you go to IRL have a band, and reproducing a band in SL is difficult, unless the band all happens to live in the same town. So you are mainly left with solo performers. The sound and music limitations also cripple things like plays because face it, if you have a stage, and people are chatting in the background, the immersiveness takes a nose dive and god help us if somebody has the reach out attachment turned on during a death scene I know of solo performers in SL that one could get away with charging a cover for. It *might* even be possible to cover costs doing that, but honestly to keep such a club up you'd have to have multiple artists since your audience would get tired of the same person every day-and you guys can consider this, lets say Bad Girls started featuring Wonder Musician and got a lineup of 10 artists to cover every day of the week for multiple hours.........unless the owner signed an exclusive contract with the performers, then you would have other club owners hiring the performers and featuring in their club to lure their market crowd.......and most of the other owners wouldn't have a cover charge to keep up their market share. And SL citizens aren't all dumb, why pay when you can get something "free" Live musicians are AN answer but not THE answer.... Keep going though guys, I'm getting ideas looking through this thread You do have a point but think of this sentence. "Why buy when you can get something free?" That applies to the entirety of SL. People could play this game for free but alot of people eventually start paying for it even if they intended from the start to keep the change. The other person is right in stating that alot of clubs would have to do it but there needs to be a stepping stone plus how many elite people exist in SL? They'd think, oh a door charge, well what makes this place so special that it charges? Then that club (let's say it's new) becomes some leet paying club. About the camping chairs. I don't know of any that pay L$10 a minute, if you do please let me know!! (bats eyelashes) I do think camping chairs ruined it for everyone and it should not have. Your customers are not customers if they are not paying. You dont have to charge an outrageous fee either. If you want the people who come to your club to know what is inside on entrance, photohop an inside look of the club, add text details of what kind of music is played, things that go on inside, if it's mature, if there are escorts etc... At this rate, there aren't going to be new clubs that open up and last long because there are no traffic bonuses anymore so unless that club owner is rich in rl and doesn't mind, I don't see why anyone should throw hissy fits over paying a door fee. |
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Horris Fitzcarraldo
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07-26-2006 13:31
@ Azazel
Good points but I'll just point out you won't ever have clubs being able to charge as long as there are enough free ones out there. Competition would keep the cover down since hey if I'm opening a new club I'd charge less or free just to get people in my door, etc. For my own club I can't ever see charging a cover.
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Usagi Musashi
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07-26-2006 15:42
Cover charges have been talked about for over a year now.
A 2 yen worth of thought here........Would you pay say $20.00 a real rockband(yes like U2) to perform on Second Life?!
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Elde Eponym
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07-31-2006 16:26
From: Angelica Trescothick There is other options than those big laggy clubs, try a small one with live DJs. I would - If I could find one that; a) doesn't play rap/hip-hip/techno crap. (Not everyone in SL is in their 20's - and you are competing with 1x10^10 other clubs just like yours). b) has greeters or owners or guests that actually bother to stop talking with their budz long enough to say to folks who wander in. c) isn't filled with dancing zombies busily IMing away. From: Angelica Trescothick Some of us are still trying very hard to run "non sex & casino" dance clubs : ) There's a number of very good reasons why the Elbow Room had such a large and loyal clientele. Other clubs might consider emulating them rather than building Just Another Rave Hangout. |
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Usagi Musashi
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07-31-2006 18:21
From: Elde Eponym
There's a number of very good reasons why the Elbow Room had such a large and loyal clientele. Other clubs might consider emulating them rather than building Just Another Rave Hangout.
Well Since I also like the elbowroom and LIKE "GOOD RAVE Clubs" I say your half right in you remaks...But let me explain. I understand the LAGGY part I worked in a very poorly run vendor everywhere cheap owner. This club had crappy dj in the most part, I say this a PERFECT example of what you refering to as BAD RAVE PLACES. But then again there are well run rave clubs. The Elbowroom is a whole differnt breed of populas. Elex is a nice owner with a few a few twist to give people interst. I seen everything that comes in the form of content for the populas of sl. We need all sort of content to provide a wide range of taste. But there is no pardons for laggy vendors everwhere cheap low quility content providers. It hurts the game more then anything, hence the reason for remark you made. I do understand your point(s), and I believe in this new world of sl the even RICH CHEAP (lag in the club owner will get fade way from dances clubs ownership ). Just a few little few from a long time worker on sl........ Thanks for read Usagi |
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Tami McCoy
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Just my thoughts from an owners point of view
08-01-2006 06:23
From: Elde Eponym I would - If I could find one that; a) doesn't play rap/hip-hip/techno crap. (Not everyone in SL is in their 20's - and you are competing with 1x10^10 other clubs just like yours). b) has greeters or owners or guests that actually bother to stop talking with their budz long enough to say to folks who wander in. c) isn't filled with dancing zombies busily IMing away. My partner and I have run a small, non rap club for 2 years now. I feel we're very sucessful. I also feel very blessed to have been around so long. Because we have huge traffic over 20k a day? No. We have rarely gone over 10K. We had 42 tho at the last event and I'm damn proud of that! We are small. But we're sucessful because of several of your points you made. 1) We have staff who greet everyone who comes to our events. Not only do they (we) greet everyone we actually TALK to them. Yep we have actual conversations. 2) We have people who come to every event we have. Which is 4 times a week and another we host which isnt even music/dance related. It's a contest we hold, and charge money to enter. The entry fee's are then given to the winner. So we make no money from this. We make no money at all actually. Never have and never will. But that's ok. As Tya said earlier clubs don't make money. Period. They cost. But my partner and I didn't start our club because we thought we'd make money. We did it because at the time there was no other place to go to listen to the type of music we wanted to hear. (Country) So we decided after much thought and some encouragement, one person being Tya...thank you for that long ago encouragement Tya , to do it. And here we are 2 years later with great friends, great fun and all around good time. We have a live DJ. Diana Wolfe. She's awesome. One of the most professional and classy DJ's in SL. We are thrilled to have her with us. We have staff as well. Marissa, Drake and SusieQ. They all have their "duties" and enjoy them. We also pay them. Are they gonna get rich working for us? Nope. Are we gonna get rich running our Saloon? Nope. What we have tho is a family. These people who work for us, we love. The people who show up every week are such a big part of our SL. But if you want to make wonderful friends, have a great time and spend a lot of linden,  I highly recommend trying your hand at it. It's a good experience. I think I probably rambled here but I just wanted to add my experience here about the club scene and put somehting positive here. |
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Usagi Musashi
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08-01-2006 07:18
Well Said Tami!
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