Only 5 Events Allowed Per Parcel? No Discussion!

Hi,

Where is LL's statement that this is indeed a problem that is being fixed. I havent seen any official word on this and I'd like to know why. My group cant post more than 5 events (in total) on my land a day, I want my group to post 12 x 2 hour events a day.

LL get this sorted asap.

Luv

Stacey

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Apologies I didn't get here sooner; especially to shed light on the darkness of the many incorrect assumptions and misinformation present.

The following problem: "Cannot schedule more than 5 events to a parcel inworld" is indeed a bug and high on our list to correct ASAP.

Torley

Thanks for clearing this up. Any timeframe for this bug being fixed? I am assuming this is due partly to the new places types revamp.

Luv

Stacey

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No timeframe I know of--I'd commit to a date but would not want to give false hope until it's actually going to be fixed. Which is, as best as I know right now, As Soon As Possible, Stacey. <3

Thank you Torley.

Now, as for those of you who were blathering about LL not taking care of the customers etc etc etc, if you want to talk about a company doing what they want without having regard for the current customer base, take a look at what Sony Online Entertainment did with Star Wars Galaxies with what they call "New Game Enhancements". They wound up losing probably a good 70-80% of their long-term players, and wound up pulling in perhaps 10-20% of what they originally had.

Many of those players switched to WoW, but a good many others are in Second Life now, and I think the entire MMO industry learned a LOT from SOE's mistake, SOE included. They're slowly, bit by bit, piece by piece, trying to figure out how to return the game to what it was, in the hopes that the players will return. Many will, but many won't because of how SOE completely rewrote SWG without telling anyone. One day, people were playing, and enjoying the game, the next, everything in the game system was different, and people had to learn their characters all over again. All their time and effort in the game was flushed down the drain.

Note: This is not an attempt to troll, or slander another company or anything like that. It is an attempt to help give those people badmouthing LL for an issue that they're unhappy about a bit of perspective.

Boy that sounds ALOT like Second Life... hmmmm...

Why fix it?

Why not just educate people to post "special" events instead of business as usual?

If someone is running 24 hour Tringo in 1 hour slots, that is one all day event just with different hosts. Use classified or the "find place" as it's meant to be.

Perhaps we just need better ways to "find" things - such as by category without knowing the name of the place or using keywords. Might also encourage places to specialise instead of having a mall (store category) with a tringo board (games category) and camping chairs (welfare category) and even out the "popular places" a bit to reflect reality and give more people a chance at being successful.

Lewis

Unfortunately, there are many gray areas here. The limits on event listings have been a real disservice to the SL community, in part because of events that fall into this area.

For example, there are a number of universities in Second Life that offer classes. In one sense, these are "business as usual"; the purpose of a university is to offer classes. On the other hand, the event listings have been the primary way of getting out the word about classes, especially to new students (the regulars often join groups that send class announcements), and the event limits have hurt. Schools have been forced to list classes at other locations, along with a note about where the class is really being held, or to subdivide their land holdings so they have more locations available. The latter "solution" has two drawbacks. First, each additional plot costs L$30/week to be listed as a meeting place. Second, dividing up the traffic hurts the school's standing in the Popular Places listing, another way that new students might find it.

(Disclosure: I am a member of the faculty of the Academy of Second Learning, one of the institutions that has been affected by the limit.)

Another example: the regular costume events that some clubs hold. Again, sort of "business as usual" for a club that holds one every two hours every day. But these are actively hosted events, and popular with attendees, and there isn't any other good mechanism for getting the word out about them.

Something I would like to see in the event listings is the introduction of more categories. For instance, I would like one that includes hosted game shows and competitions (things like Payment Podium, for example), but not ongoing gambling games like Tringo. Simlarly, shopping sales might be separate from grand openings.

That contradicts what TeaZer U was told by Linden Lab previously. We were told it was a restriction that was always in place throughout all of SL, but for whatever reason "wasn't working" on our sim for the past year.



The only events at TeaZer U are education based events, so that's business as usual for us, any suggestions on how that'd work for us? Because individual instructors set their own classes/times, people use the Find/Events list to keep an eye out for the classes they want to take. The 5 events per parcel per day "bug" hurts the legitimate event holders. Perhaps allowing the Education category more than 5 events per day is the answer, but then we face the problem of casino's and such abusing the Education category just to get more of their events on the list.

I don't see it as a grey area at all.

An event should be listed as an event (and not business as usual) any time there is a different host. Lets say Bob Primley has the rockinest slingo hour, and is very popular when he hosts.... I have a feeling Bob Primley would be offended if anyone ignorant of his events considered it 'business as usual' for the slingo arena.

Any event where different people running it is not business as usual.

What I do find to be business as usual: Any event that doesn't involve people: casino promos, sales (not involving a new product), and stores listed as yard sales.

And you obviously weren't following the event posting rules. Let me drag them out into the light for you and clarify.

You may currently post up to 5 events per day (including event edits). In addition, your friends will now be able to post events on a parcel that you own. However, you must set that parcel to show up in Find Places as a Hangout. If your parcel is not set up as a Hangout, the parcel will not be available to your friends, but will continue to be subject to other availability rules.



To further clarify, you may post an event on a parcel if:

1. You personally own the parcel and is at least 512 square meters in size.
   
2. The parcel is owned by a group that you are a member of, and is at least 512 square meters.
   
3. The parcel is in a private island that you are on the access list of, and is at least 512 square meters.
   
4. The parcel belongs to Governor Linden and is set to show in Find Places as a Hangout.
   
5. The parcel belongs to a friend, it is set to show in Find Places as a Hangout, and is at least 512 square meters.
   

Game hosts are by definition, allowed to run game son the parcel, as a mamber of a group run by the parcel owner.



An event is defined as a special group activity that is led by a host on land owned either by the host or by a group the host belongs to. Examples include discussions, group meetings, hosted dances, classes, tours, and competitions.

Games usually = competition
An event is framed by a beginning and an end time. Thus '24hr Sales' and 'Non-Stop Casinos' are not events.

Slingo 2pm (beginning) - 4 pm (ending)
The 'Commercial' category was created for the purpose of grand openings, demonstrations, product launches etc. Each of these types of events should have a clear beginning and end time attached. Otherwise, they belong in the Second Life Classifieds, not the Events calendar. Posting events that are simply advertisements will not be acceptable.

Slingo isn't simply advertisement.
The use of alts to post more than 5 events per day will not be permitted either.

The event descriptions need to conform to PG guidelines, consistent with the overall Second Life website policy - so no overt sex descriptions; sex for money, sex chat, simulated sex, strong violence, or anything else broadly offensive.

Mature events must be listed as Mature, and held in M-rated sims.

Respect the work of others -- respect copyrights and trademarks! Event hosts are responsible for making sure that all applicable rights and permissions are in order. See Digital Millennium Copyright Act for more information about Copyrights and Second Life.



NOW that we cleared that up Merlyn, go eat your crow. The games are EVENTS.

Already covered that months ago when this discussion last came up.

Special "licensing" that you can apply for, that lasts for 3 months, that if you can prove a need for more than 5 events per day, you are granted - just like if you can prove you need to cash out more than $2000 per month through Lindex.

Legitimate places like TeaZers who *need* more than 5 individual events a day can get approval to do so, 24 hour *.ingo which is just repeated again and again don't.

Anything "commercial" is essentially anything where the main focus is relieving the user of their cash (I'm not talking about having a 'tip jar' out either). That's why the events calendar is overflowing and genuine special things are overlooked.

Lewis

Slingo meets the requirements for an event. Suck it up and deal.

It's a money related activity, therefore it's commercial.

The same activity, run 24 hours, on the same spot, just by different people, is not an event.

Maybe it needs to be changed to a two tier system. "Events" as things going on, and "Special Events" as things actually worth going to.

Lewis

Its an event..they don't need a two teir system, people just need to get over their prejudiced views that slingo games are not events, when by all standards THEY ARE. Just because YOU don't see them as events doesn't make them less of an event. Who gets to define 'special' events? I'd say the 2 contests I can host a week at a club are special because they are the only preplanned events I CAN do due to work schedule.

As long as there are different hosts, its an event.

Which part of "special events are things that don't happen 24/7 on the same parcel" are you having difficulty grasping?

It's like a store having an event of 'being open' because it closed overnight.

Lewis

What part of 'every event that a host can host is an escape from normal life and sl life thus is special' are YOU having trouble grasping?


You are not the only one who can define special, and slingo games meet the criteria for events postings - and likely will meet the criteria for special events postings. You are not the judge of what everyone considers special, to think so is fallacy.

The Shamu show at Sea World has different hosts throughout the day. It's the same show, at the same venue, with the same entertainment, each time it's done, every day. Are those considered special events?

yes

wow

I dunno I don't see the point in the event change since it can be easily worked around but I also don't see why a club needs to run more than 5 events a day but that's just me. I try to keep it to 2 so other clubs don't have to fight me for customers.

I think the original poster already hit the nail on the head, especially when you have a club doing multiple events, it would penalize those offering more. For my club we often have different DJs and hosts for various events and I can certainly see using those 5 slots fairly rapidly.