InfoHUBS - Which is the BEST?

The post was a vieled attempt to start off the campaign to fill the infoHub your group talked about. Not that vieled though - since you posted and THE NEXT SIX POSTS WERE FROM YOUR GROUP MEMBERS PROMOTING ONLY BEAR HUB. This entire thread isn't in any way clever at all.

My business in Bear sim is a school for people to learn DJing using shoutcast into Second Life, Host training and Venue Owner/Manager training. I developed the school to support my own needs for staff - but since other future club owners and campers looking for a better way started seeking the classes also I opened it up to everyone. I started the school at two days a week and now it is 4 days week because of all of the interest. So, no thanks, I do not need the marketing assistance of a guy sitting on a public wall.

So your business is not being affected, in fact its increasing which negates your whole argument that the Bear InfoHUB is harming you - Thank You for the clarification.

yes I'm sitting on a public wall (as you put it) in Bear InfoHUB helping people. not griping about non-issues.

Now please, take your argument to someone that takes notice, your anatagonistic attitude and avoidance of answering against reasoned questions is tiresome.

Regards

Norf

PS - Publicly accusing people of greifing and racism, especially the wrong people will not improve your standing. This thread alone has demonstrated that you argue for arguments sake .

If I sit on my hands and allow you all to move forward with your plan to bring in 43 people to the InfoHub to stop me from entering the sim I pay tier in then I would be allowing you all to use the Hub to harm me.


As you write this I am standing right next to you. You are not helping anyone.


As I pointed out, Argent and I are the only ones that did answer your question. The other posts are from your group members trying to promote Bear to cause a glut of activity in the InfoHub.


The wrong people - That's a laugh. I do not need standing with any of you - so no worries about that. I argue to be able to keep the land I have had for nearly 3 years. That may mean nothing to someone that has been in SL for two months - but some of us residents like to keep their mainland parcels accessible and free of greifers.

There's nobody about yet we are supposed to be promoting bear - another one of your accusations shot down in flames. How foolish can one person look in so few posts.

As you have said to me in Bear in your other ID as Lias Leandros, "Thank you for the advertising" - well yes, any advertising is Good advertising. You're very welcome, it wasn't intentional to promote anything (in fact if you re-read AGAIN the original thread starter you will see that it was an open question to which InfoHUB people regard as best, whether that be Bear or any other number of InfoHUBS)

Maybe if you put as much effort into the social side of SL, instead of using threads like this to promote business, you'll see that there is another side.

So, i missed it - which InfoHUB did you say was best ? maybe as an alternative to Bear ?

Regards

Norf

Try to keep up.


But you made sure you told your group members where to post so they could rally. Groit, Nikin, Bluesweet, Cam and Lil - first time posting - what a coincidence- not.


Try as we might, greifers make it nearly impossible to enjoy SL to it's fullest - no matter how much time and energy one puts in to create something.

At last something constructive a recommendation to visit Help Island - TY

I totally agree about greifers, which is why I hang out at bear where its non scripted and non rez. An Avatar using multiple ID's spoiling enjoyment for people is counter productive in this environment.

Regards

Norf

But still your group members lured a newbie to a scripted area and shot her.


I am so sorry your 'enjoyment' is spoiled. I was enjoying myself also until this group (Bear Buddies) got together to make this effort to increase traffic in the InfoHub.

Please - drop it, keep on topic now, your comments have been answered to there fullest, now its just spamming.

Regards

Norf

You did not consider your group member's you told to post here as spam. Double standard?

once again you dont get facts correct, just waffling on to get YOUR point across, which to be fair has been disproven on all points - to re-iterate

1) no effort has been made by me or anyone in Bear Buddies to increase traffic to Bear InfoHUB. This threads first post, which you consistantly disregard, does not promote Bear, it was a discussion (non profit!) about InfoHUBS and what other people thought were the BEST

2) we're proud of Bear and like you do with your business, we talk about it (Bear), hence the group (which is open, you still haven't asked to join or made any effort in that department) BUT we dont spam about it and give out LM's to Bear. we also dont charge for information and freely distribute notecards and other items without making the new person spend or feel that they need to repay the favour.

3) accusing us of greifing in a non rez, non script area is proposterous, whilst you say you have had a greifing attack on your premises, well dont tar and accuse people in Bear InfoHUB of that, if its proven then thats a different matter, but unfounded, unproven accusations are contra-constructive. I hope your report to Linden will get results and the person behind it are dealt with accordingly.

4) Your hijacking this thread to your own means and to try and discredit a group that are mainly new people wont help your own goals. its spreads distrust towards you even further than the level that you created by standing in Bear shamelessly promoting your business to new people handing out (in the main) unwanted LM's. As you have said here, your business is doing well and have increased from 2 to 4 days a week. I really dont see what the problem is.

5) the 43 people in a sim is not set by anyone but Linden, so please dont direct your tension and frustration against your neighbours - take it up with Linden - SL is a social game with interaction that requires tact, not shooting from the hip making wild accusations because you feel slighted. Take it up with Linden not a group that use bear for nothing more than social interaction

6) I feel your contributions to this thread have really shown your true colours, whilst I do understand about the "43" rule, if its that much of an issue, maybe a rethink of your business plan and or as mentioned before taking it up with Linden

Regards

Norf

I have been to isabel infohub and yes there are all sorts of things to click on but if there is no one there to tell you what your doing,so what is the point of clicking on them? Its a cold unwelcoming hub as i see it. You can build/rezz and do whatever there. No one cares!! In bear we do care. I and many others have passed folders to newbies full of things they will need and teach them how to change skins and put on clothing. We give them landmarks to the freebie shops and some even give out lindens to them. Yes we also dance and have fun. Isn't that what having friends is about? I did not join SL to make money but to get away from RL for a bit after work. This is supposed to be fun. You seem to have forgotten that part of SL. Just as in RL, SL has issues. Will you soon be complaining about the "cars,helicopter,bikes" since we can fly why do we need those here? Im off track of the topic. Bear gets my vote as one of the best places to get to know how to get around SL and to make friends!

I've been here for almost a year now and can remember those first few weeks so clearly. Oh my gosh what a newbie!! But at Bear there was and is now always a warm welcome and helpful answers. I am not sure I would have stayed without the people from Bear. During the days when Bear was scripted there was SO much more traffic there and griefers (the real griefers). Now that the scripts are no longer active I would say traffic has been cut way down. But no worries, there are still some of us there that are there to answer the newbie’s questions I have made some good friendships on here, and have had some great laughs. Where else can you say you rode on a giant hot dog bus and watch people drop to the ground!! What fun!

I have checked out other info hubs just to see and I was shocked at the differences in people. At Bear we have this understanding and respect for each other and for that I am so grateful.


Kat Reve

OK...Lets get a few facts established in this debate.

1) As already stated, there is no campaign of any sort to get 43 people to attend the infohub. This suggestion is simply untrue and pointless anyway.

2)Accusing the people that frequent the bear Infohub of being "racist" and accusing them of being "griefers" without any foundation whatsoever really just makes you look more than a little paraniod. If there has been any racism by any person (Bear Infohub or otherwise) I would strongly support any action taken against the culprit. If it's any help I recently reported several Racist attacks at the Infohub with photo's and full information.

3) I remember a time a few weeks back when Bladyblue came to the Infohub and asked everybody why they were there. She told us we didnt belong at the Infohub and said that we all needed to "get a job" she then went on to promote her "jobs" to all and sundry including any newbies that happened to appear. So I guess it's ok for some reasons?

4) Leil made it quite clear from the outset that her "shooting people" comment was a tongue in cheek joke. I'm sure she would be happy to clarify this. It's dissapointing that you are using this one line in just about every post. Those that know leil will also know that she does not have a single bit of malice in her.

5) Yep mostly first time posters on the forum........no denying that. Lets take a look at why?..............................OK First someone walks into a friendly community and ask's the people in it why they are there. She then goes on to tell them that they are "chat ghetto people, loiterers, griefers" etc......So, a great way to win friends from the start. She then goes on (over the course of several weeks) to tell these people that she has influence and power with the lindens and that she would take action to get the hub closed if it became a "problem" to her. During this time she has also made accusations of racism towards the people that frequent bear (all totally based on assumption) and one that I for one would welcome to be disproved at the earliest oppertunity. Is it any wonder that people have decided to voice their opinions. In fact it's quite amazing that one person (yes you did this all by your lonesome lias) has managed to stir up enough interest in this thread that so many first time posters have contributed. Well done! Promoting the fact that you are a SL mentor and carry influence with the Lindens to get what you want only serves to annoy people more. I for one am getting tired of the constant "Oh I was talking to so and so Linden today" I am confident that Linden Labs can see through all this paranioa and will not close our hub.

5) The group was originally created to enable us as friends to be able to comunicate with each other more effectively wherever we were. it was also made so that we could share info and have conference voice chat as well as a multitude of other good reasons. It is not an exclusive group and all are welcome. We have extended you an invitation to join which you have so far declined to accept. It is open to newbies as well as mature members as part of a friendly community. Unlike other groups (voodoo especially) we dont spam our members every minute of the day with junk. It is simply there as an aid to our community.

5a) You promote your business as a school which makes it look all very charitable. The fact is you are running a business just the same as thousands of others. The difference here is that you seem to want to control an entire sim just because of the fact that you own some land there.

6) As Blues said above all else SL is about having fun. In your quest to ensure that your business has no rivals or interuptions at any price you have missed the point of this place. It's fun! And as an infohub i see none better than Bear.

And more Bear Buddies pushing Bear Info Hub - Yet the OP does not have any complaints about that - or are they doing as instructed? Nice fake question thread. And it is in the wrong thread.



Yes, I agree. You and your Group members posting over and over again that Bear is the best hub is spamming - and a vieled attempt to fill the hub and make the sim inaccessible to land owners in Bear Sim.

Instead of writing up this false post - in two wrong threads - and subjecting everyone to this nonsense - you all should have just accepted the fact that land owners in a sim YOU DO NOT OWN LAND IN have the right to access their land. This entire effort is ill-concieved and a waste of time. I would expect more from a bunch of people over 30 yeard old.

You really do seem to have major issues about this, I honestly suggest you take it up with Linden - in fact I insist. You may be able to resolve this to your satisfaction - in the mean time I request once more to keep on topic, of which you consistantly seem unable to do.

Regards

Norf

OP did not have a problem with the creator of his Bear Buddies group going off-topic. Double standard? Or the grand plan?

For the 4th time - PLEASE KEEP ON TOPIC -

If you have issues - raise it through the appropriate channels.

And keep your members on topic also.

I have no control over "my members" - are you that paranoid that you think I can control people as you obviously think you can ?

SL does not revolve around you - get off your high horse, smell the roses and get a second life

THIS THREAD IS GOING NOWHERE so consider it closed people - nothing to see, lets move on

Hmmm we have no right to be here in Bear? Then have they sent us here when we were born in SL? Just because you own land gives you the right to be in Bear infohub? Not sure how that one works. This isn't your land we are talking about. When or if i ever go to your "land" you may toss me out. Until then i choose to remain in Bear with those that welcome me there. It is not just the bear buddies as you call us that agree with us. Most don't have payment info on file so can't post in here nor read forums. I had that problem also until two days ago. Since you brought it up that i have never posted before. Another issue with SL that needs to be looked at. Once again off topic .. BEAR ROCKS AS A INFOHUB/GHETTO !!!

Since six people - all in the same Bear Buddies group - posted FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER the day you started this thread - Then yes, I know you have control and influence over your group members. Hopefully your group will in time find something more constructive to do than harass land owners in a Sim that you have no investment in.

Can someone advise how to close a thread please - TY

CATAGORICALLY NO-ONE IS HARRASSING YOU BUT THIS IS NOW TANTAMOUNT TO HARASSMENT - PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD AND GO PLAY

Welcome to the forums. Try not to use it to play your games anymore and you won't feel harassed.

It now all makes sense... TY for your input and guidance from a long standing member of the community, I'm sure Linden is proud of you - LOL