InfoHUBS - Which is the BEST?

Hi,

As a relative Newbie I found Bear InfoHUB (Bear 31,131,111) to be one of the better InfoHUBs for information, voicechat and general help. I think this is down to it being a non-scripted & non-rez area. Most of the others, I tend to spend most of my time defending against spammers and Greifers!

Which InfoHUBS do YOU recommend?

Kind Regards

Norf Lundquist

I'd have to second your choice of Bear. Braunworth seems to be relatively popular, and somewhat griefer free. But most infohubs seem to have become a bit glommed full of socializing avi's. I'm thinking the Linden's may want to drop another dozen or so around the grid, soon.

Bear has been an excellent place for me to find acceptance. It seems like Bear's the only place that refreshes it's population so quickly... which is perfect for developing new friendships- as opposed to other social places that die down relatively quickly. Also, being at Bear sure beats wandering around aimlessly, running into people that don't even want you there most of the time.

I also agree with your choice of Bear Info Hub. As a newbie, I was dropped into Bear Info Hub. People were very kind and helpful, and after visiting several other hubs, this is my "hub" of choice. No one even spoke to me at the others I visited. This is "home".

Bear is a lovely Hub - but there aren't many of those 'touch to get info' Linden stands there - so I do not know if it qualifies as a info Hub. What it has become is a 'chat ghetto' for people to stand around and pondificate for hours on end. Even people that own land elsewhere wander in to get in on the base chat and greifing. I have owned land in bear sim for nearly three years (Since it came online and there was no road or TELEHUB). There was a time when TELEHUBS were used because there was no direct teleport. Then LL ended the need for such places. Some concerned citizens designed this park in bear after the TELEHUB was removed. Once open enrollment started and the sanboxes became unsafe - the no build/no script defunt infohubs became the place to be idle at.

This post is a group-effort from those idle people that stand in Bear Hub to create a glut of people there so the 43 person in the mainland sim limit can be reached and I can no longer use my parcel because I will not be able to enter the sim (notice the group tag they all have - Bear Buddies). Very sad. They are not happy to have 23 to 30 people standing in the Hub all day. They want the entire sim to focus on their base chat sessions. As I said most have land elsewhere and would not appreciate it if they could not access their land because of harassment.

I am a mentor and instructor. I have my school in Bear sim on my land I have there. I usually only need to have room for ten people at one time to have my classes. These Hub chatters tell me I am being selfish because I wish to use my land I have been paying for for two years. I have been assulted with racist texture spam on my parcel also today http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e298/bladyblue/racism_001.jpg - the same day they started this 'come to Bear Sim and Chat' campaign.

InfoHubs are a great idea - for new players to come and get information and to have a place to set home. But I do not agree that 43 people should be allowed to stand in a InfoHub and block landowners and their customers from entering the land they pay for.

Well if i remember right, The one that is complaining about us at bear being idle chatters also stood in Bear for almost 3 hours talking away to everyone. Bear is home to many of us. Even those of us that have homes in other places. I know many of us help the newbies that arrive by giving landmarks and clothing and helpful hints on how to get around SL. If you go to other infohubs you will also find ppl sitting/standing around chatting!! Just not as friendly as us at bear are tho. The no rezz/build is great also. So Bear gets my vote on being the friendliest infohub!!

Another Bear Buddie member heard from. Since I pay tier in the Sim I am expected to be here for hours.

Glad you like Bear as well - but the question was which other InfoHUB do you recommend. Personal vendettas are best left unwritten and unspoken.

Also threats and insinuations are best left out of SL - as a Mentor and Instructor, you will have known this.

Kind Regards

Norf Lundquist.

I could be mistaken, Norf, but you didn't say "other"

Maybe a coloquialism on my part - I just want to find out what people think (other people!) is the best InfoHUB (other InfoHUB!) is...

Regards

Norf

Read what I wrote Norf. I said that the INFOHUBS are for information - not what you all use it for. I would not post here and tell anyone that sees this post to go and hang around in a sim that only holds 43 people. Especially since there are already up towarss 30 people standing around in the INFOHUB for hours on end.


Then there was no reason to start this thread in the first place.

The Bear INFOHUB was not placed there for that reason. ELBOW ROOM, The Blarney Stone etc. are fully voice enabled for voice chat.


The Best InfoHUB should be judged on INFORMATION that the hub provides. Bear InfoHub has one free texture vendor and one information card giver. Not the highest level of information there. I believe that any of the new public Help Islands have much more iformation and mentors on hand to help new players.

Hehe. Well for me the best source of information has always been from others that have helped me. I was born at Bear and found most of my friends at the Infohub This was also the place where i was helped by the regulars. Because of this I now try to return the favour wherever possible and some of the regulars that use bear now were newbies that I helped myself. I found helpful people much better for "info" than any sign. I guess that for "info" the bear infohub would qualify as one of the best.
It's a shame that one of the posters here seem to be openly discouraging the use of the Bear infohub simply because of business reasons .....After all the main point of Second life for many is to socialise and unwind after work.

Bladyblue I find it sad that you call bear a "chat ghetto" it's also sad that you call the people who frequent the infohub "loiterers" For me this is demeaning to the people who use the hub. In several conversations you have made it very clear that if the numbers increase at bear you would be happy to go to the Lindens to see about getting it closed.....Would it not be more gracious to just relocate to a sim where no infohub exists?
I find it strange that you call the people at bear "griefers" This would be slightly difficult bearing in mind that the infohub is no build, no script, no anything? If you want to see greifing try one or two of the hubs where these things are enabled!

If you eventually get your way and have the Infohub closed, would this be fair on the other shop owners who rely on the traffic from the hub for business?

Finally.......Is 43 the correct figure for the maximum players in a sim?

Now we hear from the founder of the Bear Buddies group.

And the main point of SL for many is to use the parcel they pay real money for to do what they please on it. Having people who own land in another sim knowingling block access to land owners is wrong and unneccessary.

Voice was first enabled in info hubs while Sl rolled it out across the grid. They surely did not mean for you to stay there all the times after you had it on your parcel. INFOHUB is not CHAT HUB. If Lindens endorsed free chat zones then people would not buy their own parcels.


Conversation is usually about sex acts, insults being thrown about or someone looking for negative attention.

If I stand in front of the 7-11 for 5 hours talking to my friends I am a loiterer. What is the difference from what you are doing? At twenty to 30 people standing around there for five hours it is not tooo much of a inconvienience. But when there is a campaign started to have each 'regular' bring two people to fill the sim and deny land owners access - Something needs to be said.


Why you endorse people that do not pay tier in a sim to take it over and have someone that has been paying tier there for nearly three years to move and have to re-establish the business (because all of the landmarks that have been dostributed would be useless) is beyond me.


When LL closed the Telehubs we had to use CLASSIFIEDS to advertise our business. As I do now. As every busness does now. There is no reason to even discuss the hub as long as it stays at 20 to 30 people at a time there. But if the people there feel they have the right to start a campaign to increase the hub loitering traffic so Land owners cannot eneter the sim - then I would definitely ask for Linden Lab assistance for the problem.

1) There has NEVER EVER been any campaign for any reason against anybody. No one is, has, or will (to the best of my knowledge) blocked access to anyone!! This is simply nonsense.

2)Who is to say what was intended in any given area? If people like the infohub and wish to socialise and help the newcomers......good luck to them. People will still buy their own parcels if they choose to socialise at the infohub or not, I can speak first hand for that since I do own land.

3) The infohub is a mature area where a plethora of different subjects are talked about. Are you suggesting that Second Life introduce a list of what may and may not be talked about? If the subjects are not to your liking then it may be an idea for you to chat about what interests you? But then ......... would that make you a "loiterer" too?

4) You say that there is a campaign whereby each regular will bring two more people to fill the sim?!!!! LOL To this point i am completely bemused. I mean....why?

5) I still stand by the fact that I find it very sad that you choose to come to the infohub and call people loiterers! People that spend a lot of time helping the newcomers to get a feel for the place and to become established in second life. Its a fact that people would rather talk to real people than they would talk to an automated message or click a sign with limited content. The very best info is found by chatting to another resident and being introduced to others that can help. It's called social networking and has huge benefits.

6) I'm wondering what would become of Second Life if business owners are allowed to push and shove residents to areas that are less inconveinient to them.

7) It's interesting to note that you didn't coment on the fact that most businesses are reliant on the traffic from infohubs? If you manage to close Bear infohub what about the businesses that DO rely on this traffic? Not only are you being unfair to the residents that use it but you are also being unfair to those other businesses. (imho)

So after all these posts by the same people in the same group it becomes quite obvious there is history here. Alot of effort to bring people to a InfoHub that is meant for new players to get INFORMATION and not a rowdy chat zone for a bored group of people that want to talk loudly and play mild greifing games on each other. They had a good time tonight luring a new player to a script enabled area so they could try out the gun they made.

I have to disagree with the 'Bored' bit...we dont get time to be bored...we're having too much fun!!!!!!

(Especially shooting people with that gun)!!!

KIDDING .........................KIDDING..........ONLY Kidding............people here are fun.......have fun.............and help Newbies............at the same time.

(After we shoot ......them...............of course)!

What is obvious here is your apparent contept for the people that come to the Bear Infohub to socialise perhaps if you embraced the good people that use this infohub instead of talking down to them you may find that it is in fact "fun".....Isn't this the aim of SL? Or is the aim to just be here to make money?

I'm also not bored........thanks to the infohub once again. Yes it's true there is "history" the "history" is that we all care for our community a very great deal. Its a shame that having a good time has been interpreted by you to mean "griefing" Perhaps a little less time worrying about how much money is being made and a little more time getting to know and appreciate the people at the infohub may chage your outlook on the "loiterers"?

I noticed also that once again my question was skillfully avoided..........My question once again was......Do you think it is fair that one person should control the traffic of a whole sim and also the infohub?

No it is not fair that Cam's group, Bear Buddies should control the traffic of a whole sim and also the infohub - especially since no one in that group owns land in Bear Sim. Concern for the people that pay tier to own land in the sim should be paramount to Linden Lab.

Cams group is NOT controlling anything - the group does not encourage anything that people dont want to do. Its a social group to exchange ideas / help - feel free to join in either ID you use.

Now lets get back on topic, which InfoHub do you recommend ?

Regards

Norf

I know it ssomething you all decided you wanted to do. That's the issue. A bunch of non-tier paying people (organized into a group) clogging up a sim out of spite is a issue.



Chatting for 5 hours is not something to base the usefullness of a INFOHUB on. The new public Help Islands are best for New citizens to get the help they seek. There are trained professionals from the Mentor and Greeter groups there that spend many hours helping new players fimd their way around the grid.

The Bear Buddies shooting new players is not helpful at all.

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Now lets get back on topic, which InfoHub do you recommend ?

Chatting for 5 hours is not something to base the usefullness of a INFOHUB on. The new public Help Islands are best for New citizens to get the help they seek. There are trained professionals from the Mentor and Greeter groups there that spend many hours helping new players fimd their way around the grid.

The Bear Buddies shooting new players is not helpful at all.


Well if you feel that Help Island is better for new players maybe you should redirect them there. as its not obvious to new people that that facility is available.

Now please if you have a gripe, take it up with Linden Labs. Venting here may make you feel better but its not very constructive.

Regards

Norf

You asked a question and I answered it (since no one else did). Your group used this thread to go off topic and move forward with their plan to attract a glut of people to the Bear InfoHub. I merely pointed out that Tier paying land owners in Bear need to have access to their land also.