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Chosen Few
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02-09-2007 09:31
From: Sonia Stardust
i don't know if the adesso is crappy compared to the wacom but i wouldnt' know the difference since it is the only tablet i've had. i like it over all.

Try a Wacom. You won't believe the difference.
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02-09-2007 12:28
From: Chosen Few
You've got me curious.


It's a 37" LCD Widescreen from Mitsubishi... And yes it was a couple years ago. I have to say I can't imagine life without it now. Though it is a desk hog ;)
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02-09-2007 12:37
From: Peekay Semyorka
No. Intuitively we know this because even with CRT and LCD TVs we still want to "turn-off-the-lights" before we watch a movie!

Contrast-ratio is the intensity difference between "on" (white) and "off" (black) areas of the screen. With any kind of screen, ambient light is reflected by the screen (including its "off" areas), severely limiting its contrast. Even emissive screens are good reflectors because they tend to have surfaces made out of glass or plastic.

Suppose for argument sake we have a CRT TV with an "fully on" intensity of 100 lux at viewing distance. In a totally dark room and an all-black image frame, the contrast-ratio of our CRT screen is therefore is infinite (100/0).

Now suppose there's some ambient light, and the same screen reflects just 0.1 lux of it. Now the theoretical maximum contrast-ratio has dropped from infinite to 1000:1 (100/0.1), due to such a tiny amount of reflection! This limit holds whether the screen is emissive or reflective.

Another limiting factor is biological. While our eyes can see over a huge range of intensity values, our retina's static contrast-ratio is only about 100:1, and in well-lit conditions its maximum dynamic contrast is only about 1000:1 (for photographers, that's 10 f-stops.)

-peekay

Okay, I think I misread you the first time. For some reason, I had thought you were trying to say the opposite of what you were actually saying. Hey, I've been sick. Thanks for being patient with my medicated, stuffy head.
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02-11-2007 23:24
On the monitor tangent, I just bit the bullet and picked up a 24" LCD monitor, breaking many years of CRT usage for reliable color...

http://www.nextag.com/gateway-24-lcd-monitor/search-html

I have to say I'm very impressed. There is a slight change in the vividness of the image from photoshop to SL, but overall I'm extremely pleased, especially for the price. Its very accurate at displaying gray nuances, which is a problem I had always had when I had to use LCDs previously. I can't imagine working on a smaller monitor now, and the desk space it saves is amazing.
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02-12-2007 08:38
From: Cory Edo
On the monitor tangent, I just bit the bullet and picked up a 24" LCD monitor, breaking many years of CRT usage for reliable color...

http://www.nextag.com/gateway-24-lcd-monitor/search-html

I have to say I'm very impressed. There is a slight change in the vividness of the image from photoshop to SL, but overall I'm extremely pleased, especially for the price. Its very accurate at displaying gray nuances, which is a problem I had always had when I had to use LCDs previously. I can't imagine working on a smaller monitor now, and the desk space it saves is amazing.

Welcome to the flat world, Cory. :) Once you go flat, you never go back.
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02-12-2007 09:05
Congrats, Cory. I made the leap from CRT to LCD about a year and a half ago when one of my 21" CRTs died and I no longer had dual monitor (which simply won't do), so I bought two 21" Viewsonic VP211b monitors. I was simply blown away by how much better they were, and as you said it was most evident in showing me detail in the blacks that I couldn't see at all on my CRT. They're also much easier on my eyes. Definitely one of the best investments I ever made, along with my Wacom.
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Sonia Stardust
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02-12-2007 11:28
I don't dare try out a wacom....if i don't know what i'm missing then i'll be better off :)

however in the next year or so i might invest in a smaller tablet...so maybe i'll get a wacom when i do that. the adesso is working for me for what I'm doing at the moment: bold, cartoony graphics.

i am wishing that i had a smaller tablet for traveling though. i'm going to my parents house this week and i'm gonna miss mine. it's too big to bring with me...i'd probably break it.
RobbyRacoon Olmstead
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02-12-2007 11:41
I got my wife the Wacom 6x11 Intuos3 for Christmas, and got my kids the mid-sized Graphire, and they are both absolutely loving it.

From all consumer reports, customer reviews, and everything else I have been able to find, Wacom is the absolute top notch tablet company and nothing else compares.

Congrats Chosen! We are all (more) jealous of you in my household :)
Peekay Semyorka
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02-12-2007 16:01
How does the Graphire compare to the Intuos?

I've heard some people opting to buy a larger Graphire rather than a smaller Intuos (for the same amount of money)... I see the spec differences but I don't know that the practical differences between them are?

-peekay
Jesseaitui Petion
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02-12-2007 16:14
What`s the purpose/benefits of having one this large?

Im kind of confused, because I have a small (4x6) one and I can`t imagine using anything larger.

Does it have to do with maybe having a larger monitor?
vanettda Lassard
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02-12-2007 19:19
I am a professional illustrator (and part-time college professor) and I gotta say that tablet size for me is a non issue. I never look at the tablet, I look at the screen while the fingers and pen do their magic more or less blind. You can have the biggest tablet in the world and if you attach it to a 17-inch monitor -- that is going to be the effective size of your canvas. A point in fact that is emphasized with even the largest (or smallest) monitors.

I work in Painter, Alias Sketchbook pro, and Photoshop. In all three I do a fair amount of zooming in and out depending on what I am working on and the size of the canvas (document) that is required. For a 6 x 9 trade (no wrap around) book cover, I normally work at 200% or 12 x 18 at 300 dpi. This allows for promotional materials like posters etc as well as trim sized book reproductions. I own a mid-sized 9 x 12 tablet and it is plenty. I get larger gestural lines and strokes when needed (not so often as you might think) and very comfortable drawing and painting strokes without thought or restriction. When I work analog I like working large ... but as I have embraced (and as publishers have increasingly demanded) digital originals, I have adapted to digital work-flows. I have the larger Wacom, tablet, I just don't see the point. That is just my opinion of course. We could have the same discussion about brushes and when it comes down to it, you use what you are comfortable using.

As in most cases ... it is not the size that matters its what you do with it. ;-)
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02-12-2007 19:19
From: Peekay Semyorka
How does the Graphire compare to the Intuos?

I've heard some people opting to buy a larger Graphire rather than a smaller Intuos (for the same amount of money)... I see the spec differences but I don't know that the practical differences between them are?

-peekay

The biggest differences are the Intuos line has twice the resolution of the Graphire line, and (more importantly) the Intuos senses tilt in addition to pressure. The Graphire senses just pressure. Also, the Intuos has more accessories available for it like the airbrush tool, and the "6D" beveled art pen.

The tilt thing is huge. It makes your drawing sooooo much more natural.

From: Jesseaitui Petion
What`s the purpose/benefits of having one this large?

Im kind of confused, because I have a small (4x6) one and I can`t imagine using anything larger.

Does it have to do with maybe having a larger monitor?

Good question. Here are the benefits as I see them:
  1. More natural arm movement.

    Drawing on a small tablet vs. a big one is like drawing on a notepad vs. a full sheet of paper. As any good art teacher will tell you, drawing on big paper is essential for developing your art.


  2. More control.

    On a small tablet, every little movement of the pen translates to a huge amount of distance traveled on screen. Let's use your 4x6 as an example, and assume you have a 19" screen. Since a 19" standard format screen is roughly 12x15, every inch of movement on the tablet equals about three inches or so of movement on screen. In other words, you have three times less control than if you were drawing on the screen directly.

    With a full sized tablet though, you can get a ratio of 1:1, or even better. The analog between hand movement and on-screen cursor movement is far more precise with a large tablet than with a small one. That means your work goes much faster, and turns out much better with much greater ease.


  3. More options.

    With a large tablet, you can divvy up the canvas space between multiple monitors, and/or section it to the exact proportions of your screen(s). With a small one, that's nearly impossible.

    One way to look at it is you can always turn a 12x19 into a 4x6 if you want, but you can never turn a 4x6 into a 12x19. I like freedom.


If I think about it, I could probably come up with a few more benefits, but those are the big three.
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