Support for the "Impeach Bush" Guy

I think of it more as "When you look up asshat in the dictionary Ulrika's picture is there to illustrate the concept."

Find a different dead horse to flog, maybe sales and property taxes would be good.

A couple hundred or so of these in Neualtenburg would spruce the place up nicely.

Or posting random news stories to the off topic forum..

No wait you've tried that,,

Eh, if they don't like the message when I exercise my FREEDOM OF SPEECH, they don't have to listen to it. They can just ignore it.

Freedom of speech does not encompass you pushing someone's avatar, they have nothing to do with each other.

If I push their avatar they can just ignore it. Like one can just ignore a multitude of immense blue signs in front of one's face 24-7.

(I'm actually going to build one, I've decided - I'm in a Democracy Island lecture right now, but I'll get onto it ASAP.)

Groovy. Send me a copy when it's complete.

~Ulrika~

make it a poll

Yes, I am whipping out the credentials, and I'm likely to do it again next time you put words in my mouth ("speaking for everyone" or give me some sort of mini-lecture on statistics.

And I'm in a hurry today, and sorry if you interpreted that as exactly what I was saying.

It is the ONLY data we have, aside from anecdotal ingame evidence, of how people believe, and as such it does have a significant meaning in the wider spectrum of SL. These polls aren't nearly as distinct from the non-forum goers as you might think. We just are not in one little special world here with everybody else in the game as blithering idiots.

Yes, you can easily vote more than once, that is a GIVEN on EVERY poll here. As such, it is also a constant. It is a constant despite the fact that you seem to think, for some reason, that those who dislike the signs would be more likely to vote with one account. That bias might be true, but it just as easily might not be, might even be the other direction.

As I said, ignore all this at your peril. Discount this poll as you are so intent on doing. While yhou are at it, discount all the comments in the hotline. Discount the people voting with their wallets (or at least saying they are). Discount all the obvious unrest you see here, and the indicators thereof, and say it all means not a damn thing about how the residents really feel. Looks obvious as all get-out to me, though.

The Lindens ARE going to come up with a solution to this, by the way - if they don't escape having to do so at this time due to the fact that the get the guy on some other technicality, and unfortunately, he seems pretty good at escaping that. (I would be, too, if I were laughing all the way to the bank.)

The Lindens will come up with something to fix this because they are not going to let their whole game go to hell in a handbasket.

coco

Heh (snicker) but thats another ranting thread

I did not put any words into your mouth:



Three times in as many paragraphs, you spoke to 75% of players of Second Life - 75% of those coming into SL want the problem gone, 75% are unhappy, and 75% are up in arms. None of which is true. You are taken on your words here, and here alone, not on what you took in college or where you are employed.

75% of all statistics are fabricated, yanno. But you don't have to take *MY* word for it. Go look at my primary source:

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The results returned by these polls are not statistically significant, as they lack any sort of planning required for accurate statistical research, specifically the design of the experiment (questions and sampling). At best a forum poll is an unscientific poll of a single stratum in a stratified sample (used in statistics where subpopulations vary considerably and independently in opinion). However, by definition stratified samples can not be extrapolated to the general SL public (or the U.S. public for that matter).

In all honesty in the 1.5 years I've been in SL and the forums, I've yet to meet a single person who has a basic understanding of probability theory and statistics. I have, however, met dozens who put forward fallacious statements and then back them up with the argument from authority.

~Ulrika~

Well said, Ulrika. In other words, using forum polls to determine how the average SLer feels about a subject is like polling a Star Trek convention to determine what % of the US population are virgins.

Exactly!

~Ulrika~

Again, I don't need any lessons from y'all. I already took statistics. I repeat: I already took undergraduate AND graduate statistics, at the University of Texas. You can't study experimental psychology WITHOUT taking a bunch of statistics. So Ulrika, yes, you have met a single person besides your vaunted self who has a basic understanding of statistics, just counting me, and I'm doubtless not the only one.

Do you as well consider this poll meaningless?

Cristiano, I'll get back to you in a moment here.

coco

P.S. Ulrika, I said they presented us with a SIGNIFICANT INDICATOR I did not - and would in a million years - say that they were statistically significant in terms of a random sampling.

Cristiano, I guess I make a mistake in assuming we are all coming from the same page, that you already know I wouldn't be so stupid as to consider that poll a scientifically conducted poll of SL residents at large, particularly since I've spoken of such matters before, and that I'm speaking informally and in obvious looseness, but about a poll we do have sitting in front of us. I figure we are all already starting from a position of knowing what these poll limitations are, and are on the same page with that.

I consider this poll a general indicator of a serious problem, especially when compared to the responses from all other reasonable polls in the past. You seem to think that because it is not a random ingame sampling that it bears no relationship whatever to general sentiment, and is not a significant indicator that there is trouble in paradise.

If anything, I think we would get an even more massive vote for removing the signs if it WERE a random ingame sample.

coco

Yes and no. I agree with you that it provides a general indication of opinions within the forum which do correlate with SL opinions positively. However, a single-question asked at the top of an inflammatory post, phrased in a stilted manner, will not return meaningful data. By meaningful, I mean something a corporation would base policy changes on. For instance, one could work the other side of the question and ask, should LL censor real-world political speech to beautify SL? The numbers would move in the other direction.

Thus the poll has meaning but it is not meaningful. Know what I mean?

~Ulrika~

Yes, I know what you mean exactly, and agree with it as well. With one exception - I believe corporations do take strong movements of resident dissatisfaction into consideration when they make their changes and decisions.

coco

Well as Benjamin Disraeli once said: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

I could never hope to better Disraeli's arguments on that subject.

As for the Impeach Bush Guy. I do not support him. He is at best a wild male donkey, and really he is much worse. If an when he does violate the TOS I hope he is banned.

I do however support that notion that I may by as much alnd as I would like, in whatever size parcells I like, and that my builds on that land will not be taken down willy nilly by LL at the complaining of the forum crowd. I support LL is saying that absent some violation of the TOS, they will not enter inot talnd and take down a build, even if its ulgy, or unpopular.

If people what to regulate speech, they can argue to LL to begin zoning, or work out a player run government to do it for them. As a coroprate policy, I applaud LL for doing what is right.

I just saw some pictures of the signs and I'm impressed with their quality. The quantity in a given area certainly wasn't unreasonable either. I fully support this practice as free speech.

~Ulrika~

HOLY CRAP welcome back Rei! Where have you BEEEEEN?

key a kancho assinine!


the typo is deliberate

You know who would squash free political speach like these signs?

MING THE MERCILESS! THAT'S WHO!




YA! Think about THAT!!

More like sh*t disturber.