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Ghoti Nyak

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08-29-2006 11:48

Am I losing my mind, or does http://www.secondlifeherald.com/ nolonger exist?

I get a 'server not found' message for at least the last couple days (if not longer).

What happened?

-Ghoti

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Annah Zamboni

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08-29-2006 11:49

Link works for me. 1000! yay!

Chronic Skronski

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08-29-2006 11:52

Might be some whacky routing at your ISP, Ghoti. Try hitting it from a proxy such as http://www.the-cloak.com

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Ghoti Nyak

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08-29-2006 11:52

That's very weird.... both at home (comcast cable) as well as here at work (a university) it does not work. 'Server not found' error.

-Ghoti

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Annah Zamboni

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08-29-2006 11:54

Can you ping it?

Ghoti Nyak

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08-29-2006 11:55

Yeah, it works through that site... this is so strange.... other than being in the same town, these are two totally seperate ISPs.

Anyone have an idea how to track this down?

-Ghoti

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Ghoti Nyak

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08-29-2006 11:56

Both ping and tracert tell me they can not find the host.

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Lupus Delacroix

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08-29-2006 11:58

Your ISP is summarily detecting and destroying bad reporting before it can get to your computer.

See if you can get to foxnews.

Ghoti Nyak

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08-29-2006 12:01

Thanks, but I'm looking for real answers here.

-Ghoti

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Chronic Skronski

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08-29-2006 12:01

From: Ghoti Nyak

Both ping and tracert tell me they can not find the host.

-Ghoti

The two ISPs possibly have the same upstream provider. If so, the route will be borked on both of them. These things are usually fixed in a few days, but often there is not a lot your ISP can do about it. Unless, of course, you know someone there who is nice enough to route traffic through their secondary provider (if they have more than one).

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Ghoti Nyak

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08-29-2006 12:03

So should I let me ISP know or something so they can feed word back upstream? I wonder what else is being blocked.

I'm betting they both do have the same upstream... ti is more than likely Merit, which I know does the school, and I beleive does all of southeast Michigan.

-Ghoti

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Lewis Nerd

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08-29-2006 12:07

Sadly for me the link works just fine.

Lewis

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Chronic Skronski

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08-29-2006 12:10

From: Ghoti Nyak

So should I let me ISP know or something so they can feed word back upstream? I wonder what else is being blocked.

I'm betting they both do have the same upstream... ti is more than likely Merit, which I know does the school, and I beleive does all of southeast Michigan.

-Ghoti

There might not be anything the ISP could do, especially if the blockage is a few hops up the pipe. That's why I suggested they re-route your traffic through their secondary upstream provider if they have one. However, not a lot of ISPs will do this for the customer. I work for a small local ISP (around 8000 customers), and we're quite personal with our customers so we do things like this for them once in a while.

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Lupus Delacroix

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08-29-2006 12:11

try pinging/tracert the IP: 204.9.178.60

If this doesn't work then its a routing issue. If it DOES work then your local upstream/isp has a fucked up DNS server cache that needs to be flushed i.e. rebooted.

FlipperPA Peregrine

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08-29-2006 12:12

I have the same problem at work, but not at home! Weird. Time to do some tracerouting if I get inspired.

Regards,

-Flip

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Chronic Skronski

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08-29-2006 12:14

From: FlipperPA Peregrine

I have the same problem at work, but not at home! Weird. Time to do some tracerouting if I get inspired.

Regards,

-Flip

It's likely waaay up the pipe, then. If so, there is a good chance it will be fixed soon. In the meantime, www.the-cloak.com will work in a pinch.

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Chronic Skronski

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08-29-2006 12:15

From: Lupus Delacroix

try pinging/tracert the IP: 204.9.178.60

If this doesn't work then its a routing issue. If it DOES work then your local upstream/isp has a fucked up DNS server cache that needs to be flushed i.e. rebooted.

It's at least two ISPs, Lupus. Ghoti has tried through two, and I don't know if Flipper uses one of these two or not.

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Ghoti Nyak

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08-29-2006 12:15

From: Lupus Delacroix

try pinging/tracert the IP: 204.9.178.60

If this doesn't work then its a routing issue. If it DOES work then your local upstream/isp has a fucked up DNS server cache that needs to be flushed i.e. rebooted.

This is exactly the case. The domain name fails while the number address succeeds.

-Ghoti

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Ghoti Nyak

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08-29-2006 12:19

BTW, this is the kinda bullshit we can look forward to without Net Neutrality in place, eh?

Bastards.

-Ghoti

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PetGirl Bergman

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08-29-2006 12:20

I cant get at it at work but I can from home..

Ghoti - Your are OK... its something fishy with this..

/Tina

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Lupus Delacroix

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08-29-2006 12:24

From: Ghoti Nyak

This is exactly the case. The domain name fails while the number address succeeds.

-Ghoti

Basically what this means then is name resolution on a DNS server SOMEWHERE is borked.

Mind you just because its two different ISP's doesn't mean they aren't sharing resources. I was shocked and amazed when switching from AT@T back in the day to netzero in the same town that my call in number was <GASPS> the same number. They were sharing an IPX at a 3rd party reseller giving them presense in that town

On your windows machine type ipconfig and snag the Connection-specific DNS Suffix

Then try:
nslookup
server (then insert whatever you got for conn specific dns suffix)
then put in the domain for the herald
if it comes up with an oddball IP different from the one I posted it means that the herald has switched IP addresses and the DNS server is caching an old one. Happens ALL the time.

Call the ISP and have them source ping/and/or flush the dns cache via HUP or reboot.

Chronic Skronski

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08-29-2006 12:30

*nods*

Normal propagation is usually 24-48 hours, but can sometimes be a few days.

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Ghoti Nyak

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08-29-2006 12:35

From: Lupus Delacroix

On your windows machine type ipconfig and snag the Connection-specific DNS Suffix
Then try:
nslookup
server (then insert whatever you got for conn specific dns suffix)
then put in the domain for the herald
if it comes up with an oddball IP different from the one I posted it means that the herald has switched IP addresses and the DNS server is caching an old one. Happens ALL the time.

Call the ISP and have them source ping/and/or flush the dns cache via HUP or reboot.

it tells me

> nslookup secondlifeherald.com
*** Can't find address for server secondlifeherald.com: Non-existent domain

-Ghoti

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Lupus Delacroix

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Join date: 3 May 2006

Posts: 695

08-29-2006 13:09

From: Ghoti Nyak

it tells me

> nslookup secondlifeherald.com
*** Can't find address for server secondlifeherald.com: Non-existent domain

-Ghoti

sounds like their DNS servers are having "teh issues"

Annah Zamboni

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08-29-2006 13:41

You could put an entry in your local hosts file for this address/name.

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Ghoti Nyak καλλιστι Join date: 7 Aug 2004 Posts: 2,078	08-29-2006 11:48 Am I losing my mind, or does http://www.secondlifeherald.com/ nolonger exist? I get a 'server not found' message for at least the last couple days (if not longer). What happened? -Ghoti _____________________ "Sometimes I believe that this less material life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on the terraqueous globe is itself the secondary or merely virtual phenomenon." ~ H.P. Lovecraft
Annah Zamboni Banannah Annah Join date: 2 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,022	08-29-2006 11:49 Link works for me. 1000! yay!
Chronic Skronski SL Live Musician Join date: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 997	08-29-2006 11:52 Might be some whacky routing at your ISP, Ghoti. Try hitting it from a proxy such as http://www.the-cloak.com _____________________ A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle.
Ghoti Nyak καλλιστι Join date: 7 Aug 2004 Posts: 2,078	08-29-2006 11:52 That's very weird.... both at home (comcast cable) as well as here at work (a university) it does not work. 'Server not found' error. -Ghoti _____________________ "Sometimes I believe that this less material life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on the terraqueous globe is itself the secondary or merely virtual phenomenon." ~ H.P. Lovecraft
Annah Zamboni Banannah Annah Join date: 2 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,022	08-29-2006 11:54 Can you ping it?
Ghoti Nyak καλλιστι Join date: 7 Aug 2004 Posts: 2,078	08-29-2006 11:55 Yeah, it works through that site... this is so strange.... other than being in the same town, these are two totally seperate ISPs. Anyone have an idea how to track this down? -Ghoti _____________________ "Sometimes I believe that this less material life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on the terraqueous globe is itself the secondary or merely virtual phenomenon." ~ H.P. Lovecraft
Ghoti Nyak καλλιστι Join date: 7 Aug 2004 Posts: 2,078	08-29-2006 11:56 Both ping and tracert tell me they can not find the host. -Ghoti _____________________ "Sometimes I believe that this less material life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on the terraqueous globe is itself the secondary or merely virtual phenomenon." ~ H.P. Lovecraft
Lupus Delacroix Wyrm Raider Join date: 3 May 2006 Posts: 695	08-29-2006 11:58 Your ISP is summarily detecting and destroying bad reporting before it can get to your computer. See if you can get to foxnews.
Ghoti Nyak καλλιστι Join date: 7 Aug 2004 Posts: 2,078	08-29-2006 12:01 Thanks, but I'm looking for real answers here. -Ghoti _____________________ "Sometimes I believe that this less material life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on the terraqueous globe is itself the secondary or merely virtual phenomenon." ~ H.P. Lovecraft
Chronic Skronski SL Live Musician Join date: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 997	08-29-2006 12:01 From: Ghoti Nyak Both ping and tracert tell me they can not find the host. -Ghoti The two ISPs possibly have the same upstream provider. If so, the route will be borked on both of them. These things are usually fixed in a few days, but often there is not a lot your ISP can do about it. Unless, of course, you know someone there who is nice enough to route traffic through their secondary provider (if they have more than one). _____________________ A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle.
Ghoti Nyak καλλιστι Join date: 7 Aug 2004 Posts: 2,078	08-29-2006 12:03 So should I let me ISP know or something so they can feed word back upstream? I wonder what else is being blocked. I'm betting they both do have the same upstream... ti is more than likely Merit, which I know does the school, and I beleive does all of southeast Michigan. -Ghoti _____________________ "Sometimes I believe that this less material life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on the terraqueous globe is itself the secondary or merely virtual phenomenon." ~ H.P. Lovecraft
Lewis Nerd Nerd by name and nature! Join date: 9 Oct 2005 Posts: 3,431	08-29-2006 12:07 Sadly for me the link works just fine. Lewis _____________________ Second Life Stratics - your new premier resource for all things Second Life. Free to join, sign up today! Pocket Protector Projects - Rosieri 90,234,84 - building and landscaping services
Chronic Skronski SL Live Musician Join date: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 997	08-29-2006 12:10 From: Ghoti Nyak So should I let me ISP know or something so they can feed word back upstream? I wonder what else is being blocked. I'm betting they both do have the same upstream... ti is more than likely Merit, which I know does the school, and I beleive does all of southeast Michigan. -Ghoti There might not be anything the ISP could do, especially if the blockage is a few hops up the pipe. That's why I suggested they re-route your traffic through their secondary upstream provider if they have one. However, not a lot of ISPs will do this for the customer. I work for a small local ISP (around 8000 customers), and we're quite personal with our customers so we do things like this for them once in a while. _____________________ A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle.
Lupus Delacroix Wyrm Raider Join date: 3 May 2006 Posts: 695	08-29-2006 12:11 try pinging/tracert the IP: 204.9.178.60 If this doesn't work then its a routing issue. If it DOES work then your local upstream/isp has a fucked up DNS server cache that needs to be flushed i.e. rebooted.
FlipperPA Peregrine Magically Delicious! Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,703	08-29-2006 12:12 I have the same problem at work, but not at home! Weird. Time to do some tracerouting if I get inspired. Regards, -Flip _____________________ Peregrine Salon: www.PeregrineSalon.com - my consulting company Second Blogger: www.SecondBlogger.com - free, fully integrated Second Life blogging for all avatars!
Chronic Skronski SL Live Musician Join date: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 997	08-29-2006 12:14 From: FlipperPA Peregrine I have the same problem at work, but not at home! Weird. Time to do some tracerouting if I get inspired. Regards, -Flip It's likely waaay up the pipe, then. If so, there is a good chance it will be fixed soon. In the meantime, www.the-cloak.com will work in a pinch. _____________________ A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle.
Chronic Skronski SL Live Musician Join date: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 997	08-29-2006 12:15 From: Lupus Delacroix try pinging/tracert the IP: 204.9.178.60 If this doesn't work then its a routing issue. If it DOES work then your local upstream/isp has a fucked up DNS server cache that needs to be flushed i.e. rebooted. It's at least two ISPs, Lupus. Ghoti has tried through two, and I don't know if Flipper uses one of these two or not. _____________________ A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle.
Ghoti Nyak καλλιστι Join date: 7 Aug 2004 Posts: 2,078	08-29-2006 12:15 From: Lupus Delacroix try pinging/tracert the IP: 204.9.178.60 If this doesn't work then its a routing issue. If it DOES work then your local upstream/isp has a fucked up DNS server cache that needs to be flushed i.e. rebooted. This is exactly the case. The domain name fails while the number address succeeds. -Ghoti _____________________ "Sometimes I believe that this less material life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on the terraqueous globe is itself the secondary or merely virtual phenomenon." ~ H.P. Lovecraft
Ghoti Nyak καλλιστι Join date: 7 Aug 2004 Posts: 2,078	08-29-2006 12:19 BTW, this is the kinda bullshit we can look forward to without Net Neutrality in place, eh? Bastards. -Ghoti _____________________ "Sometimes I believe that this less material life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on the terraqueous globe is itself the secondary or merely virtual phenomenon." ~ H.P. Lovecraft
PetGirl Bergman Fellow Creature:-) Join date: 16 Feb 2005 Posts: 2,414	08-29-2006 12:20 I cant get at it at work but I can from home.. Ghoti - Your are OK... its something fishy with this.. /Tina _____________________
Lupus Delacroix Wyrm Raider Join date: 3 May 2006 Posts: 695	08-29-2006 12:24 From: Ghoti Nyak This is exactly the case. The domain name fails while the number address succeeds. -Ghoti Basically what this means then is name resolution on a DNS server SOMEWHERE is borked. Mind you just because its two different ISP's doesn't mean they aren't sharing resources. I was shocked and amazed when switching from AT@T back in the day to netzero in the same town that my call in number was <GASPS> the same number. They were sharing an IPX at a 3rd party reseller giving them presense in that town On your windows machine type ipconfig and snag the Connection-specific DNS Suffix Then try: nslookup server (then insert whatever you got for conn specific dns suffix) then put in the domain for the herald if it comes up with an oddball IP different from the one I posted it means that the herald has switched IP addresses and the DNS server is caching an old one. Happens ALL the time. Call the ISP and have them source ping/and/or flush the dns cache via HUP or reboot.
Chronic Skronski SL Live Musician Join date: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 997	08-29-2006 12:30 nods Normal propagation is usually 24-48 hours, but can sometimes be a few days. _____________________ A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle.
Ghoti Nyak καλλιστι Join date: 7 Aug 2004 Posts: 2,078	08-29-2006 12:35 From: Lupus Delacroix On your windows machine type ipconfig and snag the Connection-specific DNS Suffix Then try: nslookup server (then insert whatever you got for conn specific dns suffix) then put in the domain for the herald if it comes up with an oddball IP different from the one I posted it means that the herald has switched IP addresses and the DNS server is caching an old one. Happens ALL the time. Call the ISP and have them source ping/and/or flush the dns cache via HUP or reboot. it tells me > nslookup secondlifeherald.com *** Can't find address for server secondlifeherald.com: Non-existent domain -Ghoti _____________________ "Sometimes I believe that this less material life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on the terraqueous globe is itself the secondary or merely virtual phenomenon." ~ H.P. Lovecraft
Lupus Delacroix Wyrm Raider Join date: 3 May 2006 Posts: 695	08-29-2006 13:09 From: Ghoti Nyak it tells me > nslookup secondlifeherald.com *** Can't find address for server secondlifeherald.com: Non-existent domain -Ghoti sounds like their DNS servers are having "teh issues"
Annah Zamboni Banannah Annah Join date: 2 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,022	08-29-2006 13:41 You could put an entry in your local hosts file for this address/name.

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