Privacy Controls: Now that P2P is in, its long overdue!

Great summary and proposal, Flip.


What if I don't own land, or need to use a Sandbox for the project I want to work on?

There's a proposal for something similar.

I want a pet crocodile

Maybe you could buy some, I hear that works real well for those who want to use features available for landowners and not for basic account holders.

The only people who should be able to be on Linden owned land without a green dot are Linden employees.

"Hey, I went to the emptiest sandbox I could find , no green dots at all - but it is slow as molasses like it was all full of people!"

A green dot doesn't identify a person, why does a person need to turn it off to work in a sandbox?

Its just a pain in the ass when you are working on something to have to deal with the usual barrage of COME TO MY DANCE PARTY group ims or IM conferences or TP PLS and all of that shit. Personally, I don't like to be bothered much when I am online unless its friends IMing me to catch up. Otherwise everything else can bugger off because I don't feel like dealing with it.

Actually....

There's another proposal for something similar out there: Prop 52. AND it has 927 votes. AND there's Linden comments on it too.

Unfortunately, it appears that Linden didn't take the time out to read the attached discussion thread to that proposal. If they did, they'd see that the discussion there is going similar to this thread right here.

As a result, this is how Linden responded:

I also hotlined this misunderstanding four times, but didn't get very far:

Hotline 1: Proposition 52 Misunderstanding - Avatar Invisibility vs. Chat Invisibility

Hotline 2: Possible Linden Misunderstanding of Prop #52

Hotline 3: Linden Response to Prop #52 may be a misunderstanding

Hotline 4: Are Discussion threads attached to vote proposals actually read by Linden?

Flip - maybe you'll have better luck than I did

Do you ever get the feeling the mainland has just been abandoned? I really don't want bail out of the mainland and get a private sim even though I pay the full sim tier already, but damnit I want access to the tools, especially better land textures. Grrrrrr.

It does feel that way sometimes. Why the heck would something like privacy tools ONLY be granted to islands? The mainland is where all LL's new customers start exploring and spend most of the beginning of their second lives - they might want to consider giving better tools to those on the mainland to avoid having a completely splintered world.

2000 separate islands does not a country make.

I understand, somewhat, that LL wants consistent land textures throughout different regions of the mainland - what I'd like to see, at least, is that ability to choose which textures appear at which height for a land plot. That way, you could have grass extending directly to the water instead of that hideous khaki beige sand, and people up high wouldn't have to use "grass prims" on top of mountains.

Regards,

-Flip

With an ever-increasing amount of islands, the mainland looks like it even took more of a spew to the west than I thot last year.

There is a sim on the mainland with over 59,000 sq. m. of snow terrain covered with grass prim.

Gray loading textures, anyone?

The Linden staff is using grass prims as "flat prims" on Help Island instead of using the height map to make flat terrain. Sometimes there is just no understanding what people do.

What textures the Lindens want on the land on the mainland doesn't really matter, they aren't paying for it, the landowners are.

Not letting mainland landowners be at least able to select their land terrain from standard land terrains is just silly. A unified land texture theme of Linden choice is worthless when it is covered with a zillion chaotic physics defying prims or a giant grid of grass prims.

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Hmm, with presence and availability privacy features, grid crashers can be in-world and not show as green dots on the map, and when you tell the Linden staff that you tried to contact the grid crasher, they will just say they had their chat visibility set to invisible to they could work on their experimental sphere rezzing devices in peace.

Too bad you can't see them on the map till you zoom in real far.

If I was paying for those island and wanting people to come to them I'd be pretty unhappy about their low visibility on the map.

Geez SuezanneC, try to be civil, eh? I thought you were suggesting that all hiding be limited to when you're on your own land, not just map-invisibility or avatar-invisibility.

Again, it looks like there's a separate need for chat-invisibility where someone can choose to not trigger calling cards, profile, Find->People, and IM presence when they login. Is there some reason this shouldn't be available to a Basic account holder? Don't they have a right to turn off their telephone, so to speak?


I don't think they do. Your concern about empty-looking sandboxes is a good example. I don't think residents have a right to be invisible except perhaps on their own land, group land, when conferred by a private island owner, etc.

That proposal does not seem to be quite the same as what Adam was talking about or what Logan proposed, which is specifically about not rendering things on parcels, not about green dots on maps or chat/find/friends list/etc. (Though it's possible those were added in the discussion thread, I don't recall)

Also, I don't see a discussion thread attached to 52. I see one on 703, however.

I apologize. That was a bit snippy.

Yes, we all need to be able to not be plagued with constant interruptions.

Somewhere in this we need to be able to turn off group chat by group, and to not have anything show up in the "local physical area" chat other than local area chat from people, so that when it's crowded you have the least possible confusion added.

This whole matter is confused by terms being used to discuss it. Being real clear like you were, using chat-invisibility, map-invisibility, etc. is a good idea.

All I really care about is chat invisibility, not map invisibility, and I don't want it to be an all or nothing thing. At the very least be able to be choose visibility seperately between IM, local, and group in any combination. Also the ability to tag certain people and allow them to always see you as visible (or never).

Along with this it would be nice to have better logging of messages while offline. I'd love to see some kind of message center for "while you were away" that listed every IM (without a cap!), and every inventory drop (who it was from and exactly what it was) that came in since the last time you were available.

I love this idea, but I still see the need for a cap. I wouldn't make it a numeric cap, however; that just penalizes successful businesses who may get a high volume. I'd suggest something like saving them for 30 or 60 days.

Regards,

-Flip

Yes very good idea.

I'd vote for this !





The whole freindship card thing is fundementally flawed. I'm not so nice as you are, I just refuse them to start with. And once every few months I delete all cards from people who I haven't seen in that time. I see no reason to apologise and I don't really think people care that much anyway.





I don't want to bail out either, but really the mainland should be renamed to "wasteland".
[edit removed rant which needs another thread to do it justice!]

Burn The Calling Cards!!! Fight The System!!! Free Yourselves!!!! Buy My Stuff!!!

1. Deleat all calling cards and only keep the ones for those people whom you Do want to know where you are located.

2. Do the same for Friends list

3. Set your land to access by invitation only (A process where you add peoples names to a list).

If you want to run a shop section off your land to allow people only into your shop.


There is no need for further tools etc in Second Life on Privacy... They already exist.

Perhaps you should ask yourself why it costs extra to be UNlisted when you get a phone line.
The answer? Telephones are a social system. It does a person less good to have a phone but not know how to contact others.

Second life is a social system.

Still. I wouldn't mind being able to be invisible, but I have a minimal enough reputation that I don't get a bunch of tells now...being new to the game.

Exactly. But being invisible allows for all the stalkers to do just that.

If telephones are social, how come conference calling is "a feature" and party lines aren't free? How come cell phone companies (most) don't publish their directory of users?

No, telephones are, literally and in-context, a way for 2+ people to talk to each other. There is no reason to exclude the possibility that a phone system can be a way for people to choose whom to be available. That's simply limiting choice.

And so your analogy to SL is flawed.

When I surf the Internet, other people surfing generally don't have access to where I'm surfing.

When I am hosting a website, I can password protect it and only let certain people in.

Or, when I host a website, I may choose to let everyone in, but only let them in a certain way - not any page they want.

Why should SL be any different?