Can i have guns

I have an outfit that includes a few guns on my body. The point of the guns is to serve as accessories to the outfit. I do not grief, but once in a while may fire off a few shots. The guns are on a saftey feature though so they don't do anything but make noise and particles. I wasn't worried about it much until all these posts about Griefers getting put on global ban lists that have been posted lately. Now i'm worried somebody would see me with guns or hear them fire and assume i'm griefing and hat would keep happening until i'm put on a ban list, even though i've never griefed.

Is this possible.
I can understand places that dont' allow guns because of Roleplay like gor. but what about general private sims ?
Has anybody ever accused you of griefing just because you had guns ?

Hi Mai,

Letting off guns, even those that only produce particles, is considered griefing in some areas because some people don't like seeing their av getting shot, even if there is no technical effect to go with it.

This depends on what kind of outfit you're talking about of course though.

You wouldn't expect to walk through most civilized urban areas wearing guns and 'occasionally firing a shot', would you? What makes you think it's OK here? Second Life is NOT a first person shooter game. Nor is it the Wild West.

You want to play with or wear guns in SL? Go to a combat sim, like Jesse or Rausch. If it isn't posted as a combat area, you're quite likely to be tagged as a griefer for wearing them in public.

Personally, I don't care if they are completely unscripted and welded to your Avatar's legs. Their visual presence is disturbing and unwelcome. They are not welcome near my home, and you'll be asked to take them off anywhere near me, if I control that area. And yes, refusing to do so when I ask politely could very well get you banned from at least three sims that I control ban lists for.

OKay that makes sense, Though i dont' shoot people just walls. the guns do make alotta noise though.



The outfit is just a silly army outfit , or swat type thing. and i have 3 guns. It' s a human, i have normal hair, and nothing private at all is showing, in fact it's probably one of the more modest outfits i have.

Maybe your corner of it isn't



I'd say to a certain extent this is a problem you need to deal with on your own. Obviously you control what goes on on your property, but there's a line between avatar-censorship and griefing-control.

Half the things that occur in SL i wouldn't expect IRL. And non-greifing things, like giant banana phones, flowery particle appearence effects (ppoofers ?), furries. I dont' consider any of that griefing though.




This is the issue i was really concerned with. People who are offended by the visual presence of guns. Do alotta people feel like Ceera in SL ?
Also Ceera i dont' mean to offend, if you told me to remove them i would do so without hesitation and apologize if i was in your sim.

Banana phones are griefing to some of us .... excessive and repetitive sounds, particles, or disruptive behavior can be considered griefing depending on where you are.

All you need to do is try to be respectful of others around you and you should be fine.

Mai, you seem like a nice person and all but when someone shows up at any of my places wearing a gun I don't interview them to determine their intent. I immediately boot and ban them with no questions asked. Yes, guns bother me in both First and Second Life. You may find a lot of people in Second Life who won't tolerate weapons so be prepared to get a lot of boots.

It's generally a good assumption to NOT wear guns as a matter of course; wear them in specific areas where weaponry is welcomed, but as a standard, it's a bad idea.

Good thing i'm using my alt.. *wipes sweat from her forhead* i'm sure this account is already on banlink or whatever they have out there.

Mai, I realize that you, personally, are probably well meaning and harmless. I am merely trying to warn you that a lot of people will ban first, and ask questions never. Because too many weapons-toting griefers seem to think everyone else in SL has volunteered to be live targets on their shooting gallery.

The problem is, all too often, when someone shows up at random in a non-combat sim, with guns at the ready, it is because they intend to cause trouble. Sim owners and land holders often have just a few seconds to decide to "Ban the griefer" or get shot. This is less of a problem now that we can turn off push effects on land that we control. None of the sims that I manage allow push effects, making a push-type gun ineffective there. But there are guns that do other things, like shooting cages or lag-causing particle streams, that can be almost as annoying as getting pushed to the edge of the sim by some troublemaker's guns or explosives.

I am a roleplayer. Acting 'in character' for my personna, Ceera is a person who was made an orphan at a very young age by thugs with ranged weapons, who then hunted her and tried to kill her. Her correct in-character reaction to someone drawing a gun on her would be use pyromantic spells to turn said firearm into a white-hot mass of molten metal, while still in the unfortunate wielder's hands. Fortunately for griefers, I haven't found a way to do that in SL. Yet.

If someone wants to run a Wild West theme sim, that is their choice. Outside of SL, or in places where guns are accepted within SL, I have no problems with responsible gun ownership. I own two rifles in RL, and am a sharpshooter. But I only take my guns out of their cases on an approved range. I wouldn't dream of walking into a club or down a busy street with my rifle on a shoulder sling over my shoulder. Nor to walk into any other public place with holstered handguns on my belt and ready to use.

Most people who run a business that relies on people feeling comfortable, like clubs and stores, etc. will choose to err on the side of caution and put the comfort level of their current customers before yours, seeing you as a potential customer. So with that logic they will say that you have to sacrifice your fashion style for the comfort level of the people around you. Although it sounds like you're polite enough to understand that and be willing to make the momentary sacrifice so it wouldn't be a problem at all. The upside is that often when you show that willingness the first time, they see you are no threat and will likely be more lenient the next time. Possibly.

No i appreciate it. You probably saved my Primary account tons of bans and Me a lotta anguish. Still i really liked that outfit. I can only blame the griefers for this one though.

Actually, guns don't particularly bother me in First Life. If someone shows up on my land with guns in Second Life though, they'll get booted and banned. It is the fault of the griefers. At this point, anyone with a gun is suspect.

Honestly when someone lands on my land with a weapon I open a folder and light up every object in it... Just habit... but its a habit I would have loved to have never acquired... I enjoy relaxing and exploring... as well as creating on my land... but now I get ready first ask questions after

And it really depends on whom you ask, too. Some people think anyone carrying a decorative weapon is a greifer. Some people thing people who use water balloons are griefers.

Some people think that they're just having fun orbiting people, shooting at them, ruining social events and setting off suitcase nukes, and that "it's just a game" and we all need to lighten up. To my mind, those particular people need to have their moms looking over their shoulder once in a while to make sure they're doing their homework instead of harrassing people or crashing sims for sport - in violation of federal statute 18 regard computer fraud 18 U.S.C section 1030, which was amended in October, 1996 to protect computer and data integrity, confidentiality and availability.

Make no mistake - the little weasels doing this are violating federal law, and may be subject to federal prosecution. Imagine Mom's surprise when she finds out her little punk is wanted for questioning by the FBI.

Those are griefers.

In my opinion, a decorative pistol with pearl inlaid handles isn't greifing. There are lots worse things.

Aww.. and I just found the perfect accessory gun for my main AV. I was looking for such a long time for the gun, even stripped out the scripts and wear it 'slung' on my back. I'd hate to get insta-banned just for wearing it .

odds are if someone has a holsterable gun they ain't coming in blazing because those cost money and you can't get em from yadni's. Le sigh. CTRL ALT T will tell you if someones using a "Live" or equiped gun or not.

Its not that hard.

I don't ban people simply for posessing weapons, scripted or not. Now, if they're scripted guns instead of just prim attachments, I'll be a bit wary, but I don't knee-jerk ban anyone for anything.

On a side note, my main outfit includes a police-style gear belt, with a simplistic holstered pistol. The gun doesn't even have a barrel, nor is it removable from the belt, and it's not scripted (turn on Alt Shows Physical and press Alt to highlight all clickable objects, scripted guns are usually clickable). I've had it for almost as long as I've been on SL, and no one's ever said anything about it. I think it's a matter of presentation.

And if anyone wants to ban a paid account that's almost two years old for having a three-prim fake pistol, they don't need my business anyway

if someone comes on my land with weapons all over him, I am likely to make assumptions, just as if someone showed up in a leather bikini, whips and chains....

No offense.

Troy

A stranger shows up on my land wearing guns, am I going to welcome him/her? No, nore tben likely I am going to be wary and assume they may start trouble. If the gun appaers in thier hand I may eject and ban them from my land without waiting for the them to shoot it.

Guns are not a fashion accessory, they inspire fear and at best will make people you don't know distrust you.

okay, a lot of bullshit in this thread, a lot of peoples wear guns on hips or back usually these guns are simple props, drawn guns are in hands and in aiming or hip shooting pose. So i won't ban anybody wearing a gun on his hip by prevention (and who do this is a damn idiot)

it is as silly as asking peoples not to wear borsalino cause they could be gangsters. And for the global ban list, you will know that for instance you don't risk to be added to the SL-Guard list for that.

A lot of peoples are pretty childish in SL, but even more are even more agressive to protect their little self.

bunch of fuckers in both cases

I make and sell guns (amongst other things). You are quite free to enter any of my property holding, bearing, or wearing a firearm of any sort, though I will look askance at you if you chat to me whilst pointing the thing at me.

In general, I find that Caledon is very tolerant of such things - it's rudeness that's the issue.

Well you wouldn't see a giant dragon walking down the street RL. There's not a thing wrong with someone wearing guns, scripted or not, unless the person who owns the land requests otherwise. Their visual presence is not disturbing and unwelcome universally.

The last sentence illustrates why some people have concerns about 'global' or shared ban lists. It's a bit unreasonable I feel. Wearing guns, even refusing to take them off, is not griefing, even if it may be rude in some contexts. You have the right to ban anyone from your land for any reason you choose, but to carry that across to three sims where you have control over the ban lists, just because you have an issue with the sight of guns, is a little excessive.

As much as I think she is carrying this to the point of a hysterical phobia (I mean if its unscripted and a worn prop, I see no problem) she DOES have the right to censor others avatars on land she owns / controls. Now even though I do not wear guns out and about regularly...I do sometimes have a rifle/ shotgun in my home sim but that is normal for that era...I would personally avoid her areas just due to the stridency of her position.

Militant 'even replicas of guns are ebil!' fanatics are just as unappealing as the radical gun nuts.