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what does the court of public opinion have to say on this one?
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paulie Femto
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09-09-2006 14:37
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Alex Fitzsimmons
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09-09-2006 14:41
It seems to hinge on this:
"  c) The notification required by this section may be delayed if a law enforcement agency determines that the notification will impede a criminal investigation. The notification required by this section shall be made after the law enforcement agency determines that it will not compromise the investigation."... and whether LL had in fact gotten the go-ahead from a law enforcement agency to delay. Good question, though. Very good question. _____________________
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09-09-2006 14:42
/139/ae/136287/1.html#post1279330/139/ae/136287/1.html#post1279330 What does the court of public opinion have to say on this one? They will wanna lynch them before we even know more of the facts  I will wait and hear what LLs have to say first _____________________
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Obic Malaprop
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09-09-2006 14:43
I for one would like to know why they keep credit card info for those who have cancelled their accounts??
I'm seriously thinking about giving up but I'll have to demand personally that they get rid of all of my info. _____________________
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Joshua Nightshade
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09-09-2006 14:47
/139/ae/136287/1.html#post1279330/139/ae/136287/1.html#post1279330 What does the court of public opinion have to say on this one? Paulie I know you're well intentioned, (or I'm assuming good faith here) but really, shut up. I'm the last person to apologise for Linden Labs, but when you keep saturating SL Answers with "YOU FUCKED UP!!!" and "YOU NEED TO BEG OUR FORGIVENESS!!" in such a horrible & antagonistic way I'm actually shocked they're still even bothering to reply to you. Just let it go. They are trying. They're fully aware that they fucked up. You're just harping and it's becoming irritating. _____________________
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Alex Fitzsimmons
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09-09-2006 14:49
Paulie I know you're well intentioned, (or I'm assuming good faith here) but really, shut up. I'm the last person to apologise for Linden Labs, but when you keep saturating SL Answers with "YOU FUCKED UP!!!" and "YOU NEED TO BEG OUR FORGIVENESS!!" in such a horrible & antagonistic way I'm actually shocked they're still even bothering to reply to you. Just let it go. They are trying. They're fully aware that they fucked up. You're just harping and it's becoming irritating. No, I think this is actually a question to ask. I think it's likely that LL did contact a law enforcement agency and get the go-ahead to delay, but I don't know that. I don't think there's anything wrong with people wanting to know. _____________________
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Joshua Nightshade
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09-09-2006 14:50
No, I think this is actually a question to ask. I think it's likely that LL did contact a law enforcement agency and get the go-ahead to delay, but I don't know that. I don't think there's anything wrong with people wanting to know. No it's a perfectly valid question. It's the way Paulie keeps doing it that's really bothersome. Look at SL Answers. A thousand threads were started by Paulie and they're all massively snippy and argumentative. _____________________
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paulie Femto
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09-09-2006 15:02
True, I went on a hell of a negative-post bender last night. I still have the hangover to prove it. Should I apologize to the community or to Linden Lab for that? That's another one for the court of public opinon, to which I willingly submit myself here.
But, I'm asking some serious questions in my latest ANSWERS post. I tried to give it some thought and ask relevant questions that I thought we all might be asking. Questions that I haven't seen answered yet. Robin asked for questions on specific parts of the law, so I was trying to come up with some. I expect the post will be answered by Linden Council, probably Ginsu Linden. That's fine. I don't wish Linden Lab any legal trouble over the breach. I hope that they can learn from it and do better. _____________________
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Joshua Nightshade
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09-09-2006 15:03
True, I went on a hell of a negative-post bender last night. I still have the hangover to prove it. Should I apologize to the community or to Linden Lab for that? That's another one for the court of public opinon, to which I willingly submit myself here. But, I'm asking some serious questions in my latest ANSWERS post. I tried to give it some thought and ask relevant questions that I thought we all might be asking. Questions that I haven't seen answered yet. I don't wish Linden Lab any legal trouble over the breach. I hope that they can learn from it and do better. I don't think we need another apology thread. Just calm down.  _____________________
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paulie Femto
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Josh
09-09-2006 15:06
Thanks. I'm calm. In fact, I'm gonna "step away from the forums" now and let things work themselves out.
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Macphisto Angelus
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09-09-2006 15:08
Reading these two parts in the FAQ makes one think that the law was not called, but that LL is doing it's own investigation on the matters:
Q: What kind of attack was used to gain access to the Second Life databases? Has the identity of the attacker been established? A: We have gathered a significant amount of information regarding the attack and the attacker. However, because the investigation is ongoing, we cannot provide very detailed information regarding the type of attack or identity of the attacker. We can disclose that the intrusion path took advantage of a "zero-day exploit" in third-party web software. Q: What was the timing of the attack and Linden Lab's investigation? A: Our forensic investigation began on September 6, 2006. Based on this investigation, the intrusion attempts may have started as early as September 3, 2006. However, we have not found evidence of successful database access occurring before September 5, 2006. On September 6, 2006, unusual activity in our database logs revealed the attack to Linden Lab, and we investigated, found and closed the intrusion on the same day. At that point, there was no evidence that databases containing customer identity information had been compromised. For the following two days, the focus of our investigation was to determine the extent of the database access and the nature of the data downloaded from our system. On September 8, 2006, we concluded that there was a substantial likelihood that customer account information could have been accessed. The investigation is ongoing and we will report further results as they become available at http://blog.secondlife.com/?tag=security. _____________________
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Kalia Meiklejohn
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09-09-2006 15:09
I wanna know the specifics like: how long between the breach, and LL becoming aware of it? I want to know they took the right steps after discovering it, so they can recitify the situation as best as possible.
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Macphisto Angelus
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09-09-2006 15:12
And Paulie,
No apologies necessary. Yep, you went a little on the overkill-o-meter but all in all your questions are ones to be considered. Considering the amount of spamorama on the boards of late your posts were on the subject matter at hand. Feel free to turn the fire down a notch, but we all have a right to have our questions answered. This is involving us all afterall. _____________________
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Lord Sullivan
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09-09-2006 15:21
I wanna know the specifics like: how long between the breach, and LL becoming aware of it? I want to know they took the right steps after discovering it, so they can recitify the situation as best as possible. Im sure that we will get informed in due course but first at least let them get the backstage work fixed first  and also they may be limited in what they can tell us at the moment, as im sure the law enforcement agencies have made sure of that for the time being. _____________________
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Lord Sullivan
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09-09-2006 15:23
Reading these two parts in the FAQ makes one think that the law was not called, but that LL is doing it's own investigation on the matters: Perhaps thats what they want you to believe _____________________
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Steve Steed
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09-09-2006 15:33
Did Linden Lab break the law? NO! _____________________
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Macphisto Angelus
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09-09-2006 15:34
Perhaps thats what they want you to believe Then I would have to look at the whole thing and all info they have given us as "What they want me to believe". That opens up a whole new can of worms BUT I am willing to believe the letter to be the truth. _____________________
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Uma Bauhaus
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09-09-2006 20:35
Should I apologize to the community or to Linden Lab for that? _____________________
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Joshua Nightshade
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09-09-2006 21:03
Oooh. I can help you with the public apology. First you craft a heartfelt and honest explanation and then you have your ass handed to you by people with an axe to grind. It's painful yet rejuvenating, doing to your psyche what an enema does for your colon. It only counts though if you yell at your alt for the damage she's done to the community. _____________________
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Doubledown Tandino
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09-09-2006 21:16
I doubt we're going to get the whole truth in the first place. LL wants to cover their asses first priority.... 2nd priority for them is to TRY to figure out what the hell happened.
Just my own commom sense knowledge tells me that if a very intelligent IT company can allow a breach into their systems, then they probably have no way to confirm everything that happened when the breaching ensued. But going back to the OP topic, whether they broke the law or didn't, LL won't ever tell us if they didn't follow proper legal proceedure. .... It all will just come down to us users.... if/when we are affected, (either from credit card related issues, personal info attacks, etc) that's when LL will have to deal with the law, either in the form of a civil suit or individual claims. _____________________
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Troy Vogel
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09-09-2006 22:36
/139/ae/136287/1.html#post1279330/139/ae/136287/1.html#post1279330 what does the court of public opinion have to say on this one? Bless the person who posted this. What a wonderfully diverse community. I am so impressed by this post. I did not even know about any of this stuff. We sure would like to see the answers to this set of very valid, very urgent and pressing questions. Troy _____________________
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cinda Hoodoo
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09-09-2006 22:37
From reading Robin's time line, it says the obvious breach that "could" have reached our personal info, was not substantiated until Sept 8, Thursday. They did notify everyone on Sept 9, Friday. Now whether that is breaking the law i do not know, and im sure it will be for a court to decide later, if it comes down to that.
I personally do not plan to get a rope, until i have a problem of theft or unusual activity on my debit card account, which i have called my bank and advised of the circumstances of above. They will cover my losses if reported in 48hrs to them, so i will have to access my account everyday and check, thats a real pain in the ass, but i will do it to err on the safe side. However if my bank has to cover any theft related to this incident, your darn tootin their insurance co will go after LL's insurance co..that is if they have insurance to cover such things. Being that they kinda live in a lil pink cloud of happiness over there, am not sure if something like this would have occurred to them, to have business insurance to cover damages related to "intrusion" theft. However if some nut case shows up on my doorstep with an ice pick, i may not be so generous, and would file a civil suit for damages if i had any blood left to do it with..lol |
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Doubledown Tandino
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09-09-2006 23:06
However if some nut case shows up on my doorstep with an ice pick, i may not be so generous, and would file a civil suit for damages if i had any blood left to do it with..lol Well, if someone shows up with an ice pick and they ask me if I'm doubledown tandino... all i gotta do is say "no." _____________________
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Tre Giles
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09-09-2006 23:21
.....ok
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Missy Malaprop
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09-10-2006 03:41
I personally do not plan to get a rope, until i have a problem of theft or unusual activity on my debit card account, which i have called my bank and advised of the circumstances of above. They will cover my losses if reported in 48hrs to 48 hours? ouch... My bank gives me 30 days to report something like that... |