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Forseti Svarog
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Join date: 2 Nov 2004
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10-17-2005 07:48
From: Martin Magpie What are your personal thoughts on the shaping of SL? Mar I actually think that LL tries very hard to listen to residents, but the old saying is true that you can't please all the people all the time. The forums are daily examples of that. Actually my biggest concern right now is that LL is going to be too conservative in not wanting to offend people, and the issue where that is important to me is "obsolescence" of our stuff. Backward compatibility can be really difficult and an anchor around the neck of a software product. I would rather see SL's technology get dramatically better rather than worry about whether my clothing textures still work or my vehicle still drives. I'll take the pain of making new ones for the sake of progress. I think that LL is trying very hard to protect people's investments of time and energy -- which is great! but I hope they don't take it so far as to hinder all of second life. this may be a groundless concern (i haven't spoken to a Linden about it) and it may be an unpopular stance (I don't know) but there it is.
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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10-17-2005 07:58
From: Martin Magpie I want proof of this so called Metaverse. sex balls.
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Khamon Fate
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Join date: 21 Nov 2003
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10-17-2005 10:09
From: Forseti Svarog I would rather see SL's technology get dramatically better rather than worry about whether my clothing textures still work or my vehicle still drives. I'll take the pain of making new ones for the sake of progress. I think that LL is trying very hard to protect people's investments of time and energy -- which is great! but I hope they don't take it so far as to hinder all of second life. Hear! Hear!
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Heuvadoches Naumova
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Join date: 6 Oct 2005
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10-17-2005 11:42
Muse reminds me of some sort of badly rendered "Lawnmower Man" scene that was (thankfully) left on the cutting room floor. While interesting, and possibly more accessable to low-end users, Muse is nothing more than another in a long series of failed web browser plug-ins. I'm more interested in plugging html into secondlife instead of the other way around.
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Cristiano Midnight
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10-17-2005 12:12
From: Ingrid Ingersoll sex balls. Those are called Pose Cubes(TM) now.
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Satchmo Prototype
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Join date: 26 Aug 2004
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10-17-2005 12:59
From: Katt Kongo meta- or met- pref. </p> [list=1]- Change; transformation
- Alternation
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- Beyond; transcending; more comprehensive
- At a higher state of development
Having undergone metamorphosis u·ni·verse n. The sphere or realm in which something exists or takes place. In SL, I have found a job I love, friends that I adore, and my soulmate. It is my metaverse, my other universe. Great post! I feel the same...
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Martin Magpie
Catherine Cotton
Join date: 13 Nov 2004
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10-17-2005 14:36
From: Kris Ritter Whilst Muse is kinda cool, to call it the metaverse, especially over and above SL, is an insult!
Muse is, essentially, a plugin to the web. It's merely a media extension to the existing 2d internet. It is most definitely NOT the metaverse. Kris how does that differ from SL as we already have to be connected to the internet to plug into SL? I thought it was a great compairison, within Muse there is news, stores, sites to visit all within a 3d space. Much like SL. Although the set up is different there are many simularities. Except with Muse you do not need a subscription to be part of it. Also you can build your own portal much like ppl building their own stores and islands. Mar
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Phoenix Psaltery
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Join date: 25 Feb 2005
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10-17-2005 15:55
From: Katt Kongo In SL, I have found a job I love, friends that I adore, and my soulmate. It is my metaverse, my other universe.
From: Satchmo Prototype Great post! I feel the same... To paraphrase Dr. Frank N. Furter... She wasn't TALKING about YOU!!!Oh, wait... ROFL! I love you , Katt... and Satch, I agree... isn't SL a wondrous thing? P2
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Andrew Linden
Linden staff
Join date: 18 Nov 2002
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10-19-2005 06:38
I don't think SL is the Metaverse, but it is a step in the right direction.
The Metaverse will be bigger than SL. SL would be a part of it, as well as other virtual spaces, the www, and ubiquitous voice communication (cellphones basically). The Metaverse will have arrived when you can:
1) walk through a portal in SL and arrive in YaWoW (Yet another World of Warfare).
2) go to a website that is an interactive view (you can see them and they can see you) into a persistant 3D virtual world.
3) wander a virtual space like SL and verbally contact (through the functionality of the space) your friend who is driving down a real highway, or they can call you and their voice will arrive in the virtual space.
SL was much like a game in version 1.0 but it has become less gamey since then. You can expect it to become more like a platform in the future. Unfortunately, it takes longer to make it so than to conceptualize it.
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Eggy Lippmann
Wiktator
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10-19-2005 10:29
From: Andrew Linden SL was much like a game in version 1.0 but it has become less gamey since then. You can expect it to become more like a platform in the future. Unfortunately, it takes longer to make it so than to conceptualize it. This bears repeating. All you noobies out there hear this man 
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Martin Magpie
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Join date: 13 Nov 2004
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10-19-2005 11:12
From: Andrew Linden I don't think SL is the Metaverse, but it is a step in the right direction.
The Metaverse will be bigger than SL. SL would be a part of it, as well as other virtual spaces, the www, and ubiquitous voice communication (cellphones basically). The Metaverse will have arrived when you can:
1) walk through a portal in SL and arrive in YaWoW (Yet another World of Warfare).
2) go to a website that is an interactive view (you can see them and they can see you) into a persistant 3D virtual world.
3) wander a virtual space like SL and verbally contact (through the functionality of the space) your friend who is driving down a real highway, or they can call you and their voice will arrive in the virtual space.
SL was much like a game in version 1.0 but it has become less gamey since then. You can expect it to become more like a platform in the future. Unfortunately, it takes longer to make it so than to conceptualize it. Andrew; Thank you for participating in this thread I always like to hear the opinions of the lindens in any discussion. More so I welcome those comments as they are some what more realistic than those of the players. I agree SL isn’t the metaverse that was once envisioned not yet anyway. Will SL get to that metaverse point,? In one sense yes of course it will because that entirely consistent with the goals of LL and I expect it to be a platform entirely within the next couple of years. The only mistake I see LL making at this point is discarding parts of the cumulative metaverse. Playing favorites such as big business over those who view sl a game in my opinion is a mistake. I on the other hand would embrace all parts that make up SL as a whole. By doing so everyone feels a part of this metaverse both now and in the future. I understand this metaverse and the procedures to get to that point. MMORPG developers, news agencies, corporations, startups, and small home based businesses can co exist within SL via the purchase of sims and I think it not only can happen but we are well on our way. As versions of SL progress since 1.0 the metaverse progresses. I think it would be to the advantage of LL to cultivate all the diversity in SL rather than pit one group against each other. I am very curious about this type of action by LL. Can you give us any insight as to why things are being done in this way, so we can understand this particular procedure towards the metaverse. Mar
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Daz Honey
Fine, Fine Artist
Join date: 27 Jun 2005
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10-20-2005 00:58
From: Martin Magpie I want proof of this so called Metaverse. I have heard lots about it but I have yet to see any evidence that it exists in the form of SL. Please post your proof that SL is the Metaverse.
Thx
Mar ok, I met a new friend in SL by pure random choosing a listed event, a month later I moved to where she lives, we hang out, laugh and cry together and work on our pcs designing graphics and things for SL AND work on our blogs etc. That is a metaverse, SL and the real world and the world of the internet. Have a lovely day!
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Eggy Lippmann
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10-20-2005 01:33
From: Kris Ritter Whilst Muse is kinda cool, to call it the metaverse, especially over and above SL, is an insult!
Muse is, essentially, a plugin to the web. It's merely a media extension to the existing 2d internet. It is most definitely NOT the metaverse. Actually, that would be a very good approach to building a metaverse, if said plugin would be a view to a persistent world. If SL could be cut down to run inside a browser it would be far closer to a metaverse than it is today. A metaverse must be ubiquitous, and the best way to achieve that is to leverage something else's ubiquity and piggyback on it.
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Daz Honey
Fine, Fine Artist
Join date: 27 Jun 2005
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10-20-2005 01:36
I don't think you can call SL a metaverse unless you include a real life connection, meta is many, SL is one universe etc (just my 2L cents worth!) *gives Dr. Pepper to Eggy*
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Hiro Pendragon
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10-20-2005 02:07
From: Eggy Lippmann Actually, that would be a very good approach to building a metaverse, if said plugin would be a view to a persistent world. If SL could be cut down to run inside a browser it would be far closer to a metaverse than it is today. A metaverse must be ubiquitous, and the best way to achieve that is to leverage something else's ubiquity and piggyback on it. That was my original rationale when I first thought about how to go about building a Metaverse. After exploring SL, I much prefer the approach of making something new, innovating, and layering on top the old system. I think innovation in general works like this - the appearance is preserved - for a time - to preserve usability, but the underlying technology is radically altered.
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Martin Magpie
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10-20-2005 08:20
Ahhh but like any good system there must first be a system in place. I fully expect to see SL streamlined into categories, compartmentalized and sanitized for the protection of all Make no mistake there is a clear plan at work here, and even although the majority of ppl do not see that plan there are clues given nearly daily now. From stippend changes, rating changes, forum changes, account limit changes, island cost changes, LindenX,... the list goes on and on. Point being I find its easier for me at least to view the overall picture to get a sense of where LL is leading us. I fully expect more changes in the near future. Mar
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Joseph Proudfoot
Proud Tsalagi
Join date: 2 Sep 2004
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10-20-2005 12:10
From: Martin Magpie I want proof of this so called Metaverse. I have heard lots about it but I have yet to see any evidence that it exists in the form of SL. Please post your proof that SL is the Metaverse.
Thx
Mar I've yet to see any proof that it's NOT.  Peace, Joseph
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Angle Angel
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Join date: 12 Oct 2005
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10-20-2005 13:54
“My friend…you have seen this incident, based on sworn testimony. Can you prove that it didn’t happen? Perhaps, on your way home, someone will pass you in the dark, and you will never know it. For they will be from outer space. Many scientists believe that another world is watching us this moment. We once laughed at the horseless carriage. The airplane. The telephone. The electric light. Vitamins. Radio, and even television. And now, some of us laugh at outer space."
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