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Martin Magpie
Catherine Cotton
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10-16-2005 15:46
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Willow Zander
Having Blahgasms
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10-16-2005 16:07
stick to the meatverse!
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Jauani Wu
pancake rabbit
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10-16-2005 16:15
metaverse (in my opinion):
"second life" avalon stagecoach island relay for life vertu the port metaverse is on it's way. 3d ebay!  _____________________
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Lordfly Digeridoo
Prim Orchestrator
Join date: 21 Jul 2003
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10-16-2005 16:41
metaverse = snowcrash = fiction = an okay book.
Second life = program we all use = can make money = an okay program. Second life != metaverse. LF _____________________
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
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10-16-2005 16:47
metaverse = snowcrash = fiction = an okay book. Second life = program we all use = can make money = an okay program. Second life != metaverse. LF Although credited to Snowcrash, the metaverse as a concept has been around for a long time in various other forms. Secpmd Life is the closest example so far of a truly alternative world to live, play, learn, and transact business in. It is not a pure example of it in the Snowcrash sense, but it is definitely the best example we have of what a metaverse is. The arguments over is it the metaverse vs is it not the metaverse are as arbitrary as the arguments about game vs platform. I imagine the metaverse will be a lot like Second Life in many ways - but Second Life itself probably won't ultimately be it. _____________________
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Logan Bauer
Inept Adept
Join date: 13 Jun 2004
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Semantics
10-16-2005 16:53
It's all in the name - Secondlife is, really only "Secondlife", a program created by LL. Just like "metaverse" as far as I've seen is only a term from the book Snowcrash. However, the idea of the metaverse is a giant networked virtual reality world, similar in many respects to what SL is. Basically a giant virtual 3-D world instead of information on webpages through web browsers. And myself and many other people think SL is close enough to that, and use the term. It's really all just semantics, you can call it whatever you want and I'm happy as long as I can log in, not crash, and build something.
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Snowcrash Hoffman
Digital mind virus
Join date: 30 Jan 2005
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10-16-2005 17:43
I want proof of this so called Metaverse. I have heard lots about it but I have yet to see any evidence that it exists in the form of SL. Please post your proof that SL is the Metaverse. Does my existence count as proof? |
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Phoenix Psaltery
Ninja Wizard
Join date: 25 Feb 2005
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10-16-2005 18:24
I want proof of this so called Metaverse. I have heard lots about it but I have yet to see any evidence that it exists in the form of SL. Please post your proof that SL is the Metaverse. Second Life is not the Metaverse, but many of us (myself included) believe that Second Life and other similar virtual worlds will someday evolve into the Metaverse. Be patient. P2 _____________________
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Martin Magpie
Catherine Cotton
Join date: 13 Nov 2004
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10-16-2005 19:08
It's all in the name - Secondlife is, really only "Secondlife", a program created by LL. Just like "metaverse" as far as I've seen is only a term from the book Snowcrash. However, the idea of the metaverse is a giant networked virtual reality world, similar in many respects to what SL is. Basically a giant virtual 3-D world instead of information on webpages through web browsers. And myself and many other people think SL is close enough to that, and use the term. It's really all just semantics, you can call it whatever you want and I'm happy as long as I can log in, not crash, and build something. Hmm sound like the internet. So a 3d version of the internet then, yes. Only problem I see with that is the internet is not run by a central government/organization/company. How can an evolution of great thing like the internet progress if its run by a single company? Thoughts? No this is not a negative discussion this is me pondering what the future really holds for SL or are our expectations too high. Long ago the internet was formed so that scientists and scholars could freely exchange information. No one expected the internet we have today. I am much more cautious than most about SL and what the future holds. Mar |
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Lordfly Digeridoo
Prim Orchestrator
Join date: 21 Jul 2003
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10-16-2005 19:33
The origins of the internet are from the military, who developed it in order to prevent a loss of infrastructure in the event of a nuclear holocaust.
Later on they permitted universities to hop on. Students did what students do, and populated it and caused a big ruckus. Today, The internet isn't really "run", per se. But, There's relatively few players that "run the show", so to speak. ICANN, Verisign, the backbone providers, etc. If any of them left, if I'm not mistaken, there'd be a major ruckus on the network. SL isn't goign to replace the internet anytime soon withinj the next ten years. Their best bet is turning it into the next online social meeting place and/or business prototyping app. LF _____________________
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Torley Linden
Enlightenment!
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
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10-16-2005 19:47
"Metaverse". Something that makes it particularly incongruent as a term for me, within the context of Stephenson's literature, is the prevalence of minivans within the story. Where are all the SUVs?
 So I say it in a fun way, a broadly general way.In the realm of arguments, perhaps "metaverse" is well-served as being analogous to the Coke bottle in The Gods Must Be Crazy. _____________________
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Martin Magpie
Catherine Cotton
Join date: 13 Nov 2004
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10-16-2005 20:06
The origins of the internet are from the military, who developed it in order to prevent a loss of infrastructure in the event of a nuclear holocaust. Later on they permitted universities to hop on. Students did what students do, and populated it and caused a big ruckus. Today, The internet isn't really "run", per se. But, There's relatively few players that "run the show", so to speak. ICANN, Verisign, the backbone providers, etc. If any of them left, if I'm not mistaken, there'd be a major ruckus on the network. SL isn't goign to replace the internet anytime soon withinj the next ten years. Their best bet is turning it into the next online social meeting place and/or business prototyping app. LF LF with all due respect I don't think there is one person in SL that can't be replaced. For everyone one valueable person in sl there are 10 ready to take their place. In the end however its abundantly clear at least to me that LL calls the shots. Which lead me to a new question, if this is to be the metaverse shouldn't we all have a say as we now do on the internet? I'm not suggesting that the "vote" was not a good idea because it was. Nor am I suggesting a government, although lately the idea of a gov't vs LL shaping our world has been on my mind. As for the internet your talking about the network ARPANET that started it. True I was talking more in general terms of when the rest of the world decided to get on board and what the purpose was. Mar |
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Martin Magpie
Catherine Cotton
Join date: 13 Nov 2004
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10-16-2005 20:09
Does my existence count as proof? No more than the power button I'm afraid. |
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Forseti Svarog
ESC
Join date: 2 Nov 2004
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10-16-2005 21:49
Which lead me to a new question, if this is to be the metaverse shouldn't we all have a say as we now do on the internet? I'm not suggesting that the "vote" was not a good idea because it was. Nor am I suggesting a government, although lately the idea of a gov't vs LL shaping our world has been on my mind. how exactly, pragmatically speaking, do you have a say in the Internet that is so superior to your say in SL? Did you have a say when UUNet and BBN started aggregating networks? Did you have a say when the TCP/IP protocol was written? On the Internet, you have a say now in terms of what websites you can register, and you can vote with your feet by going to certain websites and ignoring others. In SL you can rent your own land and decide where you want to visit and shop. On the Internet, you don't have a say in whether spammers grief you. In SL, you can't control griefing either other than ignoring or reporting it. On the Internet, you don't have a say in how other people design their websites or conduct commerce morally. That's why you have to be so careful with your information and credit card. In SL, you also can't control other people's designs and business practices. just a few examples as I think about the two... _____________________
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Susie Boffin
Certified Nutcase
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
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10-16-2005 22:05
stick to the meatverse! Hehe Willow has it it exactly! _____________________
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Katt Kongo
M2 Publisher
Join date: 9 Jun 2005
Posts: 1,020
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10-16-2005 22:27
meta- or met-
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n. The sphere or realm in which something exists or takes place. In SL, I have found a job I love, friends that I adore, and my soulmate. It is my metaverse, my other universe. _____________________
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Damanios Thetan
looking in
Join date: 6 Mar 2004
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10-16-2005 22:37
Actually our RL is the actual 'metaverse', when viewed from the perspective of our second life avatars. As RL is basically a higher state of reality (meta state) from our 'second lifes'. For some reason we tend to reverse the two.. I blame a guy called Stephenson.
When we look at our 'Metaverse', it would be the one that transcends our reality. Basically it's the world where the guy/girl/creature controlling us as avies in our real life logs off from our universe to go and have dinner... Less Stephenson, more Hofstadter! _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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10-16-2005 23:04
how exactly, pragmatically speaking, do you have a say in the Internet that is so superior to your say in SL? Did you have a say when UUNet and BBN started aggregating networks? Did you have a say when the TCP/IP protocol was written? On the Internet, you have a say now in terms of what websites you can register, and you can vote with your feet by going to certain websites and ignoring others. In SL you can rent your own land and decide where you want to visit and shop. On the Internet, you don't have a say in whether spammers grief you. In SL, you can't control griefing either other than ignoring or reporting it. On the Internet, you don't have a say in how other people design their websites or conduct commerce morally. That's why you have to be so careful with your information and credit card. In SL, you also can't control other people's designs and business practices. just a few examples as I think about the two... Theoretically, at least, you do have a say in the Internet, insofar as one's government makes laws that regulate the Internet (not many, fortunately), and you participate in that government, depending on which country you are in. coco _____________________
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Martin Magpie
Catherine Cotton
Join date: 13 Nov 2004
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10-16-2005 23:26
The metaverse you all are discribing already exists. It's called Muse. you can see it here:
http://www.musecorp.com/ Mar |
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Martin Magpie
Catherine Cotton
Join date: 13 Nov 2004
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10-16-2005 23:32
how exactly, pragmatically speaking, do you have a say in the Internet that is so superior to your say in SL? Did you have a say when UUNet and BBN started aggregating networks? Did you have a say when the TCP/IP protocol was written? On the Internet, you have a say now in terms of what websites you can register, and you can vote with your feet by going to certain websites and ignoring others. In SL you can rent your own land and decide where you want to visit and shop. On the Internet, you don't have a say in whether spammers grief you. In SL, you can't control griefing either other than ignoring or reporting it. On the Internet, you don't have a say in how other people design their websites or conduct commerce morally. That's why you have to be so careful with your information and credit card. In SL, you also can't control other people's designs and business practices. just a few examples as I think about the two... Did i say it was superior? No I didn't say that. I think your taking my wording in a negative way. Instead however try to think of my words in a postive way. I do however have a say on fourms, which sites I visit, whick sites I spend money at, where I read my news, whiteboards, irc, usenet, etc. I'm not literaly compairing SL to the internet unless the internet is the metaverse. |
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Forseti Svarog
ESC
Join date: 2 Nov 2004
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10-16-2005 23:41
Theoretically, at least, you do have a say in the Internet, insofar as one's government makes laws that regulate the Internet (not many, fortunately), and you participate in that government, depending on which country you are in. coco that's why I included the word "pragmatically" maybe I misinterpreted your intention, martin -- i read your post to say that we have more say in the internet than we have in second life and that's what i was skeptical about _____________________
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Martin Magpie
Catherine Cotton
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10-16-2005 23:45
that's why I included the word "pragmatically" maybe I misinterpreted your intention, martin -- i read your post to say that we have more say in the internet than we have in second life and that's what i was skeptical about Thanks Forseti actually I am wondering(one of the things that brought me to starting a tread on the subject) if we do have the ability to shape our world or is it already shaped for us. Perhaps I am thinking out load a bit too much in that area, I re read my post and can see your point. What are your personal thoughts on the shaping of SL?Mar |
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Kris Ritter
paradoxical embolism
Join date: 31 Oct 2003
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10-17-2005 00:33
The metaverse you all are discribing already exists. It's called Muse. you can see it here: http://www.musecorp.com/ Mar Whilst Muse is kinda cool, to call it the metaverse, especially over and above SL, is an insult! Muse is, essentially, a plugin to the web. It's merely a media extension to the existing 2d internet. It is most definitely NOT the metaverse. |
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Vivianne Draper
Registered User
Join date: 15 Sep 2005
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10-17-2005 06:39
::big grin::
It's a game ::ducks, runs, hides:: Someone had to say it! |
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Margaret Mfume
I.C.
Join date: 30 Dec 2004
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10-17-2005 07:15
Thanks Forseti actually I am wondering(one of the things that brought me to starting a tread on the subject) if we do have the ability to shape our world or is it already shaped for us. Both, imo. Any company, group or individual needs a plan to move forward. Continual evaluation keeps the process pertinent. The best chance for influence and alteration would likely be before it's set in place. |