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I make my observations because new players (and some older ones) complain, right off the bat, that there is nothing to do and no way to make money. They are bored, and they don't WANT to learn to build or script.

We want them! And we don't need to have everyone be a builder!

No, we actually don't want them. Anyone wandering around SL going "there is nothing to do" doesn't get the whole concept of a SECOND LIFE. The point is to live a SECOND LIFE. That SECOND LIFE can be anything you have ever imagined in your wildest dreams

No, we actually don't want them. Anyone wandering around SL going "there is nothing to do" doesn't get the whole concept of a SECOND LIFE. The point is to live a SECOND LIFE. That SECOND LIFE can be anything you have ever imagined in your wildest dreams, those that have no imagination and can't exist without levels, goals, monsters to slay, hookers to run over, or whatever else are never going to be happy here. Not eveyone needs to build or script, but if you can't find enough interest in exploring, socializing, dancing or just living a fantasy life then go back to your regularly scheduled violent video game that requires less than zero intellectual ability and creativity.

Who we want are the people who's eyes get big when the realize all the things they CAN do here...the ones who can't wait to fill their plate with the banquet of things SL has to offer. The people who's imaginations run wild when they contemplate the possibilities. Those things have nothing to do with building and scripting, they have to do the with non-linear thinking and being open to new ideas, concepts, cultures and adventures.

I'm talking about doing it to get more players and more premium members. That relates to the Linden economy in that it perpetuates LL and SL. Probably a good return for a small outlay, too.

I make my observations because new players (and some older ones) complain, right off the bat, that there is nothing to do and no way to make money.

Only if you can get hold of the objects you need to make it fit into the graphical game (or, at least, if you can't it's no better than a messenger service). And that means either money (which you have to make stuff to get, and you'd better hope others have made the things you need) or making stuff yourself.

The dwell someone lays down should be based on their economic activity, not just their presence...

When you show up in-game you have L$250 to your name, and another L$50 within the next 7 days. I got a really nice tintable shirt for L$70, the standard Linden jeans are perfectly decent, and in Yadni's Junkyard I got more freebies than I knew what to do with for another L$20. I still haven't gone through all the boxes... but there's so much free stuff there I really wonder how someone playing a human avatar could POSSIBLY need thousands of Lindens to get fixed up pretty much any way they want.

They did? Tell me how!

P.S. And what do you mean, it's not scalable?

They are bored, and they don't WANT to learn to build or script.

Well, I'm not really sure what to tell you. WoW, perhaps? TSO? Second Life can't be everything to everyone. It's largely a creative medium, so if you don't enjoy the exploration or production of creativity

Who we want are the people who's eyes get big when the realize all the things they CAN do here...the ones who can't wait to fill their plate with the banquet of things SL has to offer. The people who's imaginations run wild when they contemplate the possibilities. Those things have nothing to do with building and scripting, they have to do the with non-linear thinking and being open to new ideas, concepts, cultures and adventures.

So, can we really make SL support the people who enjoy creativity?

I'm really not going to be sad if we shed the unimaginative. There are better places for them anyway.

1) Log in

2) Find club

3) Fly to club

4) Right-click > Rate

5) Click all the positives, then click rate

6) Repeat all night long

7) Wait for your nicely inflated stipend bonus to come on Tuesday.



As the service grew, more and more people participated and this (measurably) devalued the L$. Left unchecked, the L$ would have lost value entirely and then content creators would have had to charge in US$. Obviously, there are a host of regulatory and other reasons why Linden Lab would prefer its own currency to a world run by US$.



Well, I'm not really sure what to tell you. WoW, perhaps? TSO? Second Life can't be everything to everyone. It's largely a creative medium, so if you don't enjoy the exploration or production of creativity, or don't enjoy socializing in 3D with all the advantages that entails, this isn't the place for you. I don't see the point of dumbing down Second Life to become TSO. If people want TSO, they can go there. No product can or will satisfy every single person who uses it. You don't retool a riding lawn tractor because it doesn't provide the advantages of an airplane.

"But Enabran, what about the people who want an airplane?"

Let them buy their airplane. Each has its place.

They're already giving the accounts away for free, and the result is that they've got more new players than they're ready to deal with. The problem is that at the same time they removed the ability for the basic players to earn a little money by getting tips (er, get a stipend bonus for reputation points, but that's what it amounts to). To keep more players and get more players to actually interact in the game, they should bring that back with sufficient changes that the best way to "game" it is to actually do stuff that's worth getting tipped for.

I'm not sure why they killed it. I suspect it was to avoid freaking out the premiums and the landowners over people getting a "free ride" on basic. Well, now the landowners are giving the basics an even bigger "free ride" by gaming the system. To counter that, they need to nerf dwell for free riders, too. Free riders dont spend much on "real life dwell" in real life. The dwell someone lays down should be based on their economic activity, not just their presence... people who spend more money on luxuries spend more on restaurant meals and buy more gas and snacks and whatever. For basics, they should generate maybe 1/2 or even 1/4 a premium dwell. Then anyone gets an extra half dwell point for an account holding more than 5000L in the past week, or being officer in a group with 1024*N (where N is the number of officers) land... because if you "own" land or buy or earn enough Lindens you're not a free rider any more.

To get more premium members? Heck, they need to make the premium membership worth getting. The postage-stamp sized "first land" plots all bunched together into ghettoes need to go, to begin with, I don't know what else... I just know that getting a slightly better price for a trickle of Lindens and the rights to some land I've got no interest in owning doesn't interest me. I get more for my money renting land in the Islands.

How about instead of having ghetto-like all-first-land sims, you scatter the first land plots along the Linden highways in all the sims? First-land buyers are Premium members, they shouldn't be treated as second-class citizens.

They sound like teenagers to me. That's normal teenager activity. It's in the teenager contract they sign when they turn 13. "I'm bored" "There's nothing to do".

What I might say, though, is that they shouldn't have to find better places (at least, not if SL was fully matured). The idea is that the creative people create things and others enjoy them. Philip often talks about how SL is like the web: how many people that enjoy the web have even the feintest idea how to make a webpage?

OK, well, you mean - people voted for clubs or places, endlessly? And the bonus that club got was based on that?

It wouldn't involve large amounts of money,

and it wouldn't be so attractive that people would want to do it forever. Or as big a deal as the system you spoke of, or as the rating stipends were, and would hopefully have a cap on how much you could make. (But NOT on how young you have to be to do it.)

Having them around doesn't hurt anyone; it gives us more customers. And since many of us make niche products, like, say siegebots, it is a good thing to have an ever-increasing population so the siegebot market doesn't become saturated and stagnant.

I'm not calling your siegebot itself as niche, Enabran, sorry if it came off that way. I'm talking about weapons in general being niche. In other words, not something just everyone would buy - like clothes. There is a saturation point concerning people who like weapons, in other words. (Not that you will ever run into it - but the more players, the more siegebots sold.)