Ode To How It Might Be
(Alterntive Title: I Take It The Sky Really Is Falling This Time?)
The forums are fucked,
The economy shafted,
Now teens run amok,
With the grey goo they crafted.
No flexible dongs,
And Xcite'd no more.
Let's all raise our shields,
To step out and explore.
The teens are descending,
And griefers disease.
It's war in the homeland,
No swearing though, please.
But Second Life's great,
Watch the numbers rise higher!
That's if we could get in,
'Cause the grid is on fire.
The economy shafted,
The forums are fucked,
The grid's in a mess,
Good night and good luck.
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Moopf Murray
Moopfmerising
Join date: 7 Jan 2004
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06-07-2006 06:37
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Usagi Musashi
UM ™®
Join date: 24 Oct 2004
Posts: 6,083
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06-07-2006 06:45
So in light of this relaxed registration, would Linden Labs back away from their do nothing about Child AV sex issue? (right now they say it's between two consenting adults). This opens a huge door to sick pedo's who'd come here instead of myspace or something and ruin the game for everyone else. It seems like child role play is going to be going on alot more then before. LLabs i believe caresless, well then again llabs is a business and will let its users do what the like when they like  |
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Schwanson Schlegel
SL's Tokin' Villain
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 2,721
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06-07-2006 06:46
Ode To How It Might Be (Alterntive Title: I Take It The Sky Really Is Falling This Time?) The forums are fucked, The economy shafted, Now teens run amok, With the grey goo they crafted. No flexible dongs, And Xcite'd no more. Let's all raise our shields, To step out and explore. The teens are descending, And griefers disease. It's war in the homeland, No swearing though, please. But Second Life's great, Watch the numbers rise higher! That's if we could get in, 'Cause the grid is on fire. The economy shafted, The forums are fucked, The grid's in a mess, Good night and good luck.  _____________________
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Maxx Mackenzie
... and a bottle of rum
Join date: 30 Jul 2004
Posts: 208
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06-07-2006 06:52
ITS GOING TO ME A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG SUMMER!  For some reason i'm having a Family Guy vision... MM: How old are you? Teen Second Lifer: thirtee...  MM:eighteen? you're first ;3 TSL:  MOOOOM! MM: I like where this is going... Giggiddy Giggiddy Gi-gah-deee!  _____________________
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Usagi Musashi
UM ™®
Join date: 24 Oct 2004
Posts: 6,083
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06-07-2006 06:55
For some reason i'm having a Family Guy vision... MM: How old are you? Teen Second Lifer: thirtee... MM:eighteen? you're first ;3 TSL: MOOOOM! MM: I like where this is going... Giggiddy Giggiddy Gi-gah-deee! I am sorry really my spelling is not good with typing these days.......Besides English is not my main languge...... No I am not 18. more like 37......... why in the word are you digging at this...........?!?!?!??!?!? |
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Maxx Mackenzie
... and a bottle of rum
Join date: 30 Jul 2004
Posts: 208
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06-07-2006 06:58
I am sorry really my spelling is not good with typing these days.......Besides English is not my main languge...... No I am not 18. more like 37......... why in the word are you digging at this...........?!?!?!??!?!? don't know, i get a kick out of confusing you  37? rawr! ;3 _____________________
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Eponine Basiat
Deer in the Headlights
Join date: 27 Apr 2006
Posts: 121
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06-07-2006 07:01
Why not restrict the accounts that have not submitted a credit card to PG sims?
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Usagi Musashi
UM ™®
Join date: 24 Oct 2004
Posts: 6,083
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06-07-2006 07:06
don't know, i get a kick out of confusing you 37? rawr! ;3 confusing is the name of the game on sl.........Thats why i can deal with newbies so well. If you were once lost and confused. Relating to those same types is very easy. |
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Merwan Marker
Booring...
Join date: 28 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,706
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06-07-2006 07:09
After reading about the new free accounts that require no billing information to be entered whatsoever, I just have to ask what in the hell is LL thinking? Are they so desperate to bulk up the low population numbers that they will resort to forgoing even the pretense of preventing underage users from getting into SL? Cory Linden's comments about SL surpassing World of Warcraft seem ridiculous enough, but now this just seems to be some last ditch effort to inflate the population numbers. I thought the cell phone authentication method was bad enough - but not requiring any verification is just opening up the floodgates even more to griefers and underaged users. Is it really worth forgoing all common sense to just get subscribers at any cost? Excellent!  _____________________
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FlipperPA Peregrine
Magically Delicious!
Join date: 14 Nov 2003
Posts: 3,703
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06-07-2006 07:09
I typically agree with LL's decisions on many things, but with this one, I'm quite opposed. What I predicted at yesterday's mentors meeting has already come true: a scourge of underage players and grey goo attacks (witness above testimony). Word is already out to the SomethingAwful forums, I'm sure. Welcome back, Plastic Duck; change the Mac address on your router and you're in! Yay!
At the mentors meeting it was explained that LL will continue to rely on abuse reports as they do now to weed out minors, and that they've found that many minors use their parents' credit cards. Still, I'd feel much better with the CC requirement roadblock in place. While it might not block *all* minors, I'm sure it blocks a significant amount of minors who have a parent raising them instead of the TV/PlayStation raising them. Regards, -Flip _____________________
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Rose Portocarrero
Here to look cute
Join date: 23 May 2004
Posts: 168
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06-07-2006 07:09
Why not restrict the accounts that have not submitted a credit card to PG sims? There isn't much rhyme or reason to what sims are pg and which are mature. Many times you see a pg sim bordered by one or more mature sims. Its not like a section of the world is all pg and another section separated by a bridge is mature. It would be a nightmare for the new user under those restrictions to even just walk across a sim boundary in this case. Now with p2p sure, just teleport to the next approved sim, but that kind of defeats the purpose of showing off your continuously connected world. I can see the grid map now looking like a blacked out checker board.  Then you got to feel for the adult residents of the pg sims. I think mature land prices would rocket in that case. *watches Schwanson drool even now.* _____________________
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Cindy Claveau
Gignowanasanafonicon
Join date: 16 May 2005
Posts: 2,008
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06-07-2006 07:10
I can't even imagine the amount of content that is based on the sex industry that would need to be removed or restricted. Me either, which is why it's not going to happen. Think about LL's past patterns regarding policing and enforcement -- given any choice, they will opt for those choices which (a) do not involve additional staff; (b) do not involve legal risk -- the irony is that the less a provider knows about user content, the less liable it is for the nature of that content (see numerous child pedo cases where ISPs skated because they didn't monitor user email). In most cases, this means the answer is "do nothing" or "do nothing and make official noises about it". I can see the policy for the new signups being "check here to certify you are over 18", and that's it. Until Jack Thompson gets wind of it. _____________________
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Ginge Reymont
Registered User
Join date: 10 Oct 2005
Posts: 190
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06-07-2006 07:13
Did i miss something? im looking at the registration page right now and there still is the bit to put in the credit card.
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Moopf Murray
Moopfmerising
Join date: 7 Jan 2004
Posts: 2,448
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06-07-2006 07:13
Did i miss something? im looking at the registration page right now and there still is the bit to put in the credit card. Logout, then try it _____________________
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Rose Portocarrero
Here to look cute
Join date: 23 May 2004
Posts: 168
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06-07-2006 07:15
Did i miss something? im looking at the registration page right now and there still is the bit to put in the credit card. Their still testing it out. You will see both pages at any random time. See the official announcement here explaining the new registration system: /3/af/112077/1.html _____________________
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Rose Portocarrero
Here to look cute
Join date: 23 May 2004
Posts: 168
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06-07-2006 07:22
Me either, which is why it's not going to happen. Think about LL's past patterns regarding policing and enforcement -- given any choice, they will opt for those choices which (a) do not involve additional staff; (b) do not involve legal risk -- the irony is that the less a provider knows about user content, the less liable it is for the nature of that content (see numerous child pedo cases where ISPs skated because they didn't monitor user email). In most cases, this means the answer is "do nothing" or "do nothing and make official noises about it". I can see the policy for the new signups being "check here to certify you are over 18", and that's it. Until Jack Thompson gets wind of it. Yup, they definately take the stand of, "if we don't know about it, it didn't happen." I just got to wonder what ulcer Ginsu Linden is forming in his/her stomach right now? Almost all the media attention they get has some portion dedicated to the adult nature of SL. Why open themselves up to even more negative attention by failing to even try to filter ages at the door? _____________________
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Maxx Mackenzie
... and a bottle of rum
Join date: 30 Jul 2004
Posts: 208
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06-07-2006 07:53
I can see the policy for the new signups being "check here to certify you are over 18", and that's it. Until Jack Thompson gets wind of it. HA! i can see it now... and yet another Maxx-o-vision (c) /semi rant mode... still feeling silly Jack Thompson flinging crap in a courthouse: Secondlifers are teh spawn of satan! they stab people in teh face, google for "Secondlife" and the word pedophile comes up about.... 20 billion times!! Phillip Rosedale gave Rockstar games the idea of San Andreas! Nazis live in anctarctica! THEY FLIP OUT KITTENS!! TEH HORROR! 2 days later... the BBC reports something somewhat related, yet absolutelly retarded, and its quickly plastered on google news: Did ya know that... serial murderers and rapists drink, eat and breathe just like normal people, that makes j00 a potential law breaker. _____________________
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katykiwi Moonflower
Esquirette
Join date: 5 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,489
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06-07-2006 08:03
Seems the new easy to create accounts are just one week free trial accounts. After one week the account expires unless the owner creates a permanent account with billing info etc.
The question I have is will free accounts still exist. Will the free trial account be capable of converting to a free basic account upon presentation of credit card information, or must each of these new accounts be converted to a tier paying one. Is this a middle ground decision that allows a free trial while eliminating the glut of free basic accounts. This could be another way to try to convert all the free basic accounts into premium ones. I once suggested to Philip allowing a limited free trial period with easy registration and assigning the game surname "Visitor" to those accounts. The lack of age verification is an interesting dilemma, but the old honor system didn't seem to work anyway. _____________________
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Moopf Murray
Moopfmerising
Join date: 7 Jan 2004
Posts: 2,448
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06-07-2006 08:04
Seems the new easy to create accounts are just one week free trial accounts. After one week the account expires unless the owner creates a permanent account with billing info etc. Nope, Chris Linden posted a follow up that the email was wrong. They're not trial acounts. _____________________
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Introvert Petunia
over 2 billion posts
Join date: 11 Sep 2004
Posts: 2,065
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06-07-2006 08:10
Also, the teen grid "split" is not so much to protect the children as it is to protect LL should some COPA bureaucrat come and say "you are allowing minors access to extremely low quality porn". If they were discounting the future, they wouldn't worry much, if they thought they had a future, they could say "see, we're trying".
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Margaret Mfume
I.C.
Join date: 30 Dec 2004
Posts: 2,492
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06-07-2006 08:16
I think this is a stupid move on LL's part, but lets face it, credit card companies will give credit to anyone and don't actually verify the card holder is over 18 any more then Linden Labs verifying the credit card number actually belongs to the person registering and that THEY are over 18. (My opinion of course, not trying to state a fact here.)( I am unaware of any situation involving the extension of a line of credit which doesn't require a social security number. Enlighten me. _____________________
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Tsukasa Karuna
Master of all things desu
Join date: 30 Jun 2004
Posts: 370
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06-07-2006 08:19
Just chucking something else out there that's sprung into my mind: If this does lead to the 18+ policy being scrapped, would LL restrict access to Mature sims for only those on Premium accounts, which would still require the same presentation of payment credentials as is used now for age verification? Hmm... with all the talk of ending stipends and change in the air, this would fit SUPRISINGLY well with some of the stuff LL has been up to as of late. No incentive to stay on premium? OK! Lets restrict mature sims to premium account holders! **edit And this also gives them an excuse to let teens onto the main grid, since technically, teens shouldnt be able to buy premium accounts. PG sims, lookout. _____________________
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Cindy Claveau
Gignowanasanafonicon
Join date: 16 May 2005
Posts: 2,008
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06-07-2006 08:23
extremely low quality porn Hey, watch it now! I'll have you know my porn is only the VERY highest quality! _____________________
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Luciftias Neurocam
Ecosystem Design
Join date: 13 Oct 2005
Posts: 742
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06-07-2006 08:27
Also, the teen grid "split" is not so much to protect the children as it is to protect LL should some COPA bureaucrat come and say "you are allowing minors access to extremely low quality porn". If they were discounting the future, they wouldn't worry much, if they thought they had a future, they could say "see, we're trying". The house is on fire. As much as attriibuting motivations to LL is fun and trendy, I really, really doubt this is their motivation. |
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Introvert Petunia
over 2 billion posts
Join date: 11 Sep 2004
Posts: 2,065
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06-07-2006 08:31
As much as attriibuting motivations to LL is fun and trendy, I really, really doubt this is their motivation. |