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Jesrad Seraph
Nonsense
Join date: 11 Dec 2004
Posts: 1,463
11-03-2005 06:28
I have a question for LL: can someone log in as Linden from outside of LL's local network (I guess so for the international liasons) ? If yes are there specific policies for securing an employee's remote connection besides the SL authentication (I'm thinking VPN here) ?
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Forseti Svarog
ESC
Join date: 2 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,730
11-03-2005 06:28
From: Sensual Casanova
Then tell me what's wrong with this picture?



why does that picture scare you so much? or at least bother you so much?

Maybe there are specifics with Queso's group (I don't know anything about it) but there been occurances for various events where a linden name has popped up in a group because of non-black-hat-spy-chopper reasons and still people get up in arms

As a platform company, the Lindens should stay out of resident-run efforts by and large, with exceptions for education and other non-profit things. This isn't "laid back and fun" but IMO you are all right that it's probably the right thing to do.

If they want to get involved, do it on their own time and av name, not a Linden name (no, I don't have a problem with them having Linden and non-linden avatars... cue foaming at the mouth in certain quarters)...
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Hank Ramos
Lifetime Scripter
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 2,328
11-03-2005 07:20
From: Lordfly Digeridoo
I've seen Lindens join resident groups and then beat babies.

I wasn't joking.
Kelly Linden
Linden Developer
Join date: 29 Mar 2004
Posts: 896
11-03-2005 07:53
From: Jesrad Seraph
I have a question for LL: can someone log in as Linden from outside of LL's local network (I guess so for the international liasons) ? If yes are there specific policies for securing an employee's remote connection besides the SL authentication (I'm thinking VPN here) ?
No, they are not. Although god actions go through a bit of extra verification on the back end, logging in as a Linden is no different than logging into a non-linden account.
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Jesrad Seraph
Nonsense
Join date: 11 Dec 2004
Posts: 1,463
11-03-2005 07:55
Ah, thanks. So if someone steals a Linden account through a trojan on the Linden's personal computer at home, we're toast until this ID thief is stopped :(
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Either Man can enjoy universal freedom, or Man cannot. If it is possible then everyone can act freely if they don't stop anyone else from doing same. If it is not possible, then conflict will arise anyway so punch those that try to stop you. In conclusion the only strategy that wins in all cases is that of doing what you want against all adversity, as long as you respect that right in others.
Sensual Casanova
Spoiled Brat
Join date: 28 Feb 2004
Posts: 4,807
11-03-2005 08:23
From: Forseti Svarog
why does that picture scare you so much? or at least bother you so much?

Maybe there are specifics with Queso's group (I don't know anything about it) but there been occurances for various events where a linden name has popped up in a group because of non-black-hat-spy-chopper reasons and still people get up in arms

As a platform company, the Lindens should stay out of resident-run efforts by and large, with exceptions for education and other non-profit things. This isn't "laid back and fun" but IMO you are all right that it's probably the right thing to do.

If they want to get involved, do it on their own time and av name, not a Linden name (no, I don't have a problem with them having Linden and non-linden avatars... cue foaming at the mouth in certain quarters)...


Scare me? What for?
Bother me? Yes... of course it bothers me, especially when it is clearly a violation of a Linden policy... was just an example that all Lindens are not following or aware of thier own policies...
Kelly Linden
Linden Developer
Join date: 29 Mar 2004
Posts: 896
11-03-2005 08:53
From: Jesrad Seraph
Ah, thanks. So if someone steals a Linden account through a trojan on the Linden's personal computer at home, we're toast until this ID thief is stopped :(
Yes. This has never happened.

From: Sensual Casanova
Then tell me what's wrong with this picture?


If you feel a Linden is violating the Linden Policies, or have other complaints about a Linden, please send an email to [email]abuse-manager@lindenlab.com[/email].
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
11-03-2005 09:16
It seems this issue comes up from time to time, where a Linden is CAUGHT as a memeber of a player group. Every time the scandal is examined more closely it turns out the offending Linden needed the group privs to make some benign land changes, drop something on player land for a joint project or SOME such reason.

So fuss over this if you will, but be prepared to clutch your wounded credibility if it turns out this Liason needed to be in that group for legitimate reasons.
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
11-03-2005 10:09
I have a theory on the demand for these policies.

The first part of it agrees with what LF said - LL is a privately held company - so their willingness to put this info out there at all, is to be commended.

I am wondering if those who yelled loudest to get these policies published didn't really only want them so that they could then say "Oh!!! Lookie!!! You're breaking this policy and that policy, so <Condition X> IS REAL!"

I highly doubt this push was simply an altruisic <cue, "look what WE did for YOU!" soundtrack> attempt to get info to the masses. As is already becoming apparent in this thread, it was probably just another method to further an agenda.

Of course if the policy is deemed too vaguely written, they will use that too - "Oh you're hiding stuff - so <condition X> must exist! See we were right all along!"

So those who espouse theories that LL is corrupt, practices unbridled favoritism, etc., win a battle regardless. Brilliant!
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Ingrid Ingersoll
Archived
Join date: 10 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,601
11-03-2005 10:30
Look... I think it's obvious this is part of a Linden counter-intelligence operation. Let the anxiety begin!
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Ingrid Ingersoll
Archived
Join date: 10 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,601
11-03-2005 10:33
From: Aimee Weber
Every time the scandal is examined more closely it turns out the offending Linden needed the group privs to make some benign land changes, drop something on player land for a joint project or SOME such reason.



hey, HEY, HEY... Let's not get bogged down by facts!

(to quote Marcos)
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Sensual Casanova
Spoiled Brat
Join date: 28 Feb 2004
Posts: 4,807
11-03-2005 13:07
From: Aimee Weber
It seems this issue comes up from time to time, where a Linden is CAUGHT as a memeber of a player group. Every time the scandal is examined more closely it turns out the offending Linden needed the group privs to make some benign land changes, drop something on player land for a joint project or SOME such reason.

So fuss over this if you will, but be prepared to clutch your wounded credibility if it turns out this Liason needed to be in that group for legitimate reasons.


I dont think anyone is "fussing" simply stating facts... need a pill?
Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
11-03-2005 13:54
From: Sensual Casanova
Scare me? What for?
Bother me? Yes... of course it bothers me, especially when it is clearly a violation of a Linden policy... was just an example that all Lindens are not following or aware of thier own policies...


Sensual,

There is a big difference between the letter and spirit of the law. The Lindens saying they will not be officers in a group does not mean there will never ever be a case where they will need to be in a group for various reasons. They have joined groups temporarily to facilitate transfers of builds, solve problems, etc. If the Linden in question has remained in a particular group for more than a short period of time, then it is valid to question. Just coming up with an AH HAH! SEE! picture without any additional information or context doesn't prove anything.
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Hiro Queso
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Join date: 23 Feb 2005
Posts: 2,753
11-03-2005 14:00
Sens,

If it bothers you that much, I am only an IM away ;)
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Cristiano Midnight
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Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
11-03-2005 14:04
From: Hiro Queso
Sens,

If it bothers you that much, I am only an IM away ;)


Actually it would do well for you to clear it up, Hiro. Why is there a Linden as an officer in your group?
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Hiro Queso
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Join date: 23 Feb 2005
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11-03-2005 14:11
Sure why not. I had a plot of land deeded to that group in a sim on the main grid. Every time I went edit the land, I crashed the sim. I contacted livehelp, and Adam showed up. He asked me to repeat in front of him, and again I managed to crash the sim. Of course the next logical thing he wanted to know, was if it was my av, or the land. So he asked for an officer invite first so that the process could be replicated exactly, only with him clicking to edit land instead of me.

I can understand why people might jump to conclusions, I have been guilty of that myself. What I can't understand is why people don't ask those concerned before posting in the forums lol *scratches head*
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
11-03-2005 14:14
From: Hiro Queso
What I can't understand is why people don't ask those concerned before posting in the forums lol *scratches head*


I have some theories on this, but that pill is kicking in so I'm just going to go chill :D
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blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
11-03-2005 14:20
ahhah.

Don't you worry, the lindens are up to their eyeballs in fraternizing with the residents.

LL should just remove all pretence
Hiro Queso
503less
Join date: 23 Feb 2005
Posts: 2,753
11-03-2005 14:28
From: Aimee Weber
I have some theories on this, but that pill is kicking in so I'm just going to go chill :D

What are you a dentist? Where's mine?
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
11-03-2005 14:34
From: Aimee Weber
I have some theories on this, but that pill is kicking in so I'm just going to go chill :D


I have warned you about the evils of Vicodin and alcohol.

PS - thanks Hiro for your answer :)
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Sensual Casanova
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Join date: 28 Feb 2004
Posts: 4,807
11-03-2005 14:53
From: Cristiano Midnight
Actually it would do well for you to clear it up, Hiro. Why is there a Linden as an officer in your group?


Actually I was informed by someone asking the Linden why he was an offier of a group and he said he wasn't aware and could have been an "accident" and left the group... I wasn't pointing fingers or or saying this Linden was bad for being in such a group... which is why his name and other info was left out of the picture...
I wasn't upset or angry, or whatever, I was making a point, I am sorry that others thought I was making a bigger deal then what I really thought it was...
And for the record... this linden also stated that he was NOT AWARE there was such a policy...
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