Closing Down..:-(

yes, we have come ot the decision to close the manic casino. A casino loved by the group of four who spent all thier time in and on making it what it was the day before we closed are all very sad to se it go.

Ms Melnitz and I started Manic Productions awhile back, starting with a mall, then some apartments, then housing, then a HUGE club. and fianlly we reachead manic casino. where we have spent the last months piuring our time into.

now laot will ask why we are closing, there are a number of reasons.

One of which is the problems SL is facing, with open registration we get pounded by griefers, yelling scream and abusing...we would get struck losing thousands of L$ at a time because our region has gone down right before an event we spend serious L$ advertising....Till finally we have problem because of half checked updates messing our scripts and machines...yes we filed reports about everything, with no responce.

so kiddies, we have extracted our L$ from manic and for the time, ill still be running eden developments wih John and Marty. sorting out our soon opeing netowk lottery. But, we have come to the conclusion tht having thousands of USD tied up in something as unstable as SL is not the right at the moment.

I understand LL will always do thier best to make SL a great and pleasurable experience for everyone. but the past few updates have gone...well..not so well.

so till i see a mass increase in stability. you can catch me chilling at a club, casino, or bar. sipping my ninth freebie vodka. Thinking about life. real life.

This is sad but very understandable.
I assume you tried all the standard tricks before deciding to do this (like limiting your land to people with pay info on file, disabling push, and contacting LL about sim crashes), and that your choice to leave is probably a last resort.

I can even understand your situation... I have a sim myself and it crashes on a daily basis, sometimes multiple times per day. The Lindens seem clueless about what is going on and nothing seems to fix it no matter how many how many bug reports we file. Updates have not helped and it is seriously hurting my ability to host events in the sim I paid for.

LL really need to fix the bugs that cause terminal lag and crashes in sims. I've been told that the devs are trying as hard as they can but isolating the bugs are hard. I just hope the devs manage it before it causes yet more sim owners to pull their money out of SL.

Sorry to hear that you've had to make such a decision. I'm afraid that many of us in all sorts of businesses are in the same boat.

Omg close it down, and sell each prim .. eh brick for 30,000L !! .. ??? profit!

lol Lost, i think that was a one off piss take that was.

This is sad but not unsurprising, and it bodes ill for SL's future if LL allows this sort of thing to continue. Given the decisions they appear to be making so far, I can't think of many reasons why it wouldn't.

God help them if someone big like Anshe decides it's time to cash out and pull out.

its probably what will need to happen for this to stop. you know i cant even get hold of a linden to help me cure my TP bug. Yet they still are not hiring more liasons!!!!

I was right. The griefers ARE winning!

sadly yes, and LL are only making the whole "SL sucks right now" situation worse

Well, Torley announced in SL Answers today, "We are not the police."

Make of that what you will.

coco

All I make out if it is "well who the hell is".

Lewis

Apparently you misunderstand the nature of a free society.

Not in the slightest. "Free" does not mean "lawless". Any society must have laws for the good of the overall if it is to survive. Lack of Linden enforcement - summarised in Torley's post - is a green card to every grifer out there to come here and have fun, on a freebie account at the expense of people like me who pay to be here and build the world they are ruining.

No laws deteriorates into anarchy. That is not what will sell Second Life; that's not what big businesses and corporations want to see or hear. Stability, growth, potential, market, competition... that's what they want, not some idiot with a 10ft penis flopping around their board meeting.

Besides, if it's free, what the hell am I paying $40 a month for?

Lewis

Look as SL which is located in California which has tons of gangs that the police can't do anything about; they just brought that all here to second life. Why stop greefers and crooks it just makes it more realistic to the home state linden labs is located in. Since the police can't stop the crime or the gangs there why should Linden Labs stop them here? Hey California wanted to give ID cards to illegal emigrants Linden Labs took away personal ID validation to have people show proof as too who they are here. California has earthquakes and second life has crashes. California has welfare, Sl has free accounts that cause damage to the people who pay for there accounts. Seems to be a pattern I think they want to make SL like California, first they will kill the economy which has begun, then they will drive people out of the world which has also begun soon we will be a melting pot of pure poop.

When I see Philip Linden dressed like Arnold Schwarzenegger... then I know there really is no hope.

Lewis

Philip addressed that at SLCC a little. He said the same thing, LL isn't and doesn't want to police anything, they want to give us the tools to police ourselves. Unfortunately, we're in a nice limbo of 'We don't want to do anything and we can't let you do anything...yet.' so not much gets done. Torley's quote was in response to keeping their own welcome areas policed, which it seems like they ought to be doing at the minimum.

Unfortunately Phillip Linden talks out of his arse. Its not that they don't want to be a police force - its because they don't give a shit.
Why should they care about texture theft? The money they get ($10l upload fee) actually doubles everytime an image is thieved.

Texture theft is a global problem that needs policing by Lindens. Banning someone from your land locally isn't going to make any difference.
Or will everyone with land get a tool to ban someones account and alts from all of SL?

Uh... LL doesn't "profit" when you burn L$10 for an upload.

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Someone that "gives a shit" isn't always preferable to someone that doesn't.

You forgot:

Traffic (lag)
Steep real estate costs (tier)
Gated communities (private sims)
Excessive cell phone usage (floods of IMs)

I can't think of anything to compare SUV's and gas prices to.

At least CA's not getting rolling blackouts anymore,
maybe that's something we can look forward LL adopting.

LL doesnt want to police anything!!!! WHAT!!!!

Well then LL, create a volenteer group like live help where you apply to join the "SL S.W.A.T"

if your getting griefed, help>9111>request. then the police get a pop up tht they can tp to the complaint location and eject the perp and ban them for say, up to 6 hours (like prison!!!!!0

come on LL...maybe if you needed a credit card to register still this whole anarcy would work but when accounts r worthless.....NEHHH!!!

So you /do/ misunderstand the nature of a free society.

"Free" /does/ mean "lawless" - in that no-one has to /enforce/ those laws, no-one really recognises the laws are /there/, and no-one tries/succeeds in /breaking/ those laws. A free society is one in which people are free to do as they please as long as it does not harm another. Laws do not exist for the benefit of society - laws exist to protect individuals from society, and the society from itself. Societies will form in and of themselves. A free, global society provides a framework for these particular societies and tolerates and nurtures them equally.

The Lindens are far from "lacking enforcement":

They've built a world that has numerous automated rules and laws - one cannot (normally) view someone else's no-copy-no-mod script, for example. One cannot trespass onto private simland that one has been banned from. Everything you do, see, script, or manipulate in Second Life is based on Linden Labs' enforcement of an entire paradigm on your CPU, TCP/IP stack, and graphics card. If you don't think it's "enforcement", then by all means, here are your POP and POKE tools, I hope you read Hexadecimal Unicode fluently.

They create a framework - YOU create your society, YOU do the enforcement of what you think your society's ideals are and I get freedom from your enforcement if I choose such. THAT is what a 'free society' is, globally. Second Life has never been - to my knowledge - an anarchy; There have been many social anarchies /in/ it, but the only way /it/ could be anarchy is if they just let anyone screw with the asset server or database code.

If you don't want a flopping dorkus in your BOD meeting, feel free to make that a rule in YOUR society and enforce YOUR rules - maybe someone out there wants it. Not my place to tell them "no", not yours, and not LL's.

You're paying forty dollars a month for, among other things, controlling a quantity of simland, the ability to buy/sell more than $150.00 USD on the Lindex, and a variety of status-bits. You're /not/ paying forty dollars a month to guilt a free society into enforcing your arbitrary psychological needs / morality, except where they've already contractually agreed to try to do it (and note, they only agreed to TRY. (PG Sims)). You're paying forty dollars a month for a framework, not for your own culture rapidiotyped and crystallised and sold back to you.

You believe that only things that adhere to your moral code are 'proper' and only they will 'sell' - Gee, in your worldview, TCP/IP, HTML, X86 instruction codes, streaming video, XML - none of these are good, useful, worthy, will 'sell' - because they are all amoral (according to your way of thinking).

Oyea left those out but you have a point, SUV and gas prices hummm ok I got it
Cali has SUV's and High Gas Prices and SL has files and upload fee's

I don't think I would say California is tanking but I would say that the gap between rich and poor is getting wider with less middleclass in between. High Taxes, High Fuel rates, High energy costs are hurting everyone but the middleclass more then anyone. What happens when the middleclass can't afford to live in an area? They leave it. Construction is going on like crazy every place, if there is a plot of land they will toss a house on it but actually from what I have been reading the real estate market is heading for trouble many people who were having houses built are now trying to break out of there contracts and many houses that were built are now being sold with big discounts due to no one can afford them. It is nice to build but if you can't rent or sell what you have what good is it. Companies are having problems filling jobs because it is hard to find trained people who can't afford to live in an area the jobs are or can't afford to travel to the jobs because of high fuel costs.
Of course this has nothing to do with linden labs but what I was trying to say was this,
LL removed dwell so a lot of places that counted on dwell are closing down because they can’t afford to stay open. LL removed user verification and now we have troublemakers who only want to cause problems by attacking locations, if they get banned, they make a new account and come back over and over and it don’t stop. You ask for linden help and they say file a report and will refuse to come see what is going on. LL might suspend people for causing trouble but what good is that when you can keep making unverified accounts. Due to this people who own land with things that people like to visit will start closing down and leaving SL, this has started. I see more land for sale now then I have seen in ages there has to be a reason for it. LL says they don’t want to play police officers but its there system if they wont then who will? It has gone way out of hand. By removing all accountability they hurt every good person in SL.
Why are so many people leaving SL? We have lost some top people in the last few weeks why is this happening is a question we must ask. If SL is supposed to be resident run then why don’t they listen to what residents want? It is one big farce.