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Opinion on "silks"

Jonas Pierterson
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08-18-2006 09:44
From: Ghoti Nyak
LOL thanks for the offer, April, but no thanks. I prefer friends over play-things. :)

I think if I were ever to get involved with Gor, I'd have to be a Panthergirl... at least from what I understand of the mythos. No way am I going to be anyone's sex object, nor could I be a 'Free Woman' and wear the gorean equivalent of a burka.

That said, they do have some nice clothes. Just too bad my catgirl ears and tail would get me caged and banned for even trying to visit their shops.

-Ghoti


Ghoti, while I was on msn Gor realms.. I was with a variety of women in my various names. Panthergirls, outlaws, slaves, Free Women..

If you ran across me in SL Gor (if I participated) Id still welcome you as a friend. I was keen on playing 'Low Caste' unlike many who seemed to only want to be Warriors, Scribes, Physicians, or Builders. Ironically one High Caste goes mostly empty..must be the never touching women part.

I was also mean enough to hold nkz (no kill zone) rules in the baths and such to include assassins, my main holds were skz (sanctioned kill zones). I would (fairly and unbiasedly) review each log of an incident. One time they killed a good friend of mine..but thats the way the log played out, within the 7/7/7 system.

All are special in their own right and worth knowing, my rl fiance is a slave of mine I met in MSN.

Dianne: Very true. A 'real' Gorean Master or Mistress would cherish and nurture their slaves knowledge and talent, and a 'real' slave would serve for the joy, definately not enjoying punishments.

Just my opinions..agree or disagree, your choice. :)
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08-18-2006 10:01
So..... not much opening for Indian ladies wearing silken sari's? It's been said that any woman will look good in a sari and, having an appreciative eye for the female form, I must agree. Eh, but it's got nuffink to do with the rest of the thread so I'm off.
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08-18-2006 10:04
From: Alazarin Mondrian
So..... not much opening for Indian ladies wearing silken sari's? It's been said that any woman will look good in a sari and, having an appreciative eye for the female form, I must agree. Eh, but it's got nuffink to do with the rest of the thread so I'm off.



Mmmmm, saris! And what they say is true.
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Jonas Pierterson
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08-18-2006 10:08
From: Alazarin Mondrian
So..... not much opening for Indian ladies wearing silken sari's? It's been said that any woman will look good in a sari and, having an appreciative eye for the female form, I must agree. Eh, but it's got nuffink to do with the rest of the thread so I'm off.



Very true.
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08-18-2006 10:56
From: April Firefly
I don't know, I think it would be kind of fun to role play a total sex object just available for someone's sexual gratification. The fact that it's Second Life and doesn't affect my real emotional and financial standing would make it fun.
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08-18-2006 10:58
From: Dianne Mechanique
Not that I am a Gorean (or even like it) ... but many years ago I did read the Gor series of books and this is definitely not what they were all about.

A true Gorean master would never treat a slave that way and if you do you are just another run-of-the-mill BDSM'er. Gor slavery is supposed to be about the joy of service, not "slappin my bitches around."


Actually, I would say it's just the opposite, I don't often see the kind of dehumanization in bdsm as in Gor on SL or the books (a slave nothing more than an object like a chair, to be bought and sold, yada yada), it is the most extreme, (unless that is specifically what is asked for, in D/s). Submission in Gor is all based on a fantasy of taking women against their will and forcing them into slavery, or they are born to it, making them love it, while bdsm is based more in reality and by it's very nature involves the concept of consent. And the whole idea of "joyfully" giving submission... in the novels that "joy" came only after being forced into total slavery. Now on SL obviously this is chosen by the women involved, but in the novels on which it is based it is not. What people do with it in SL is dependent on them and how far they want to take it.

On the silks thing, I love silks and those kinds of fabrics, I wish more were used in SL in a non-Gorean way.
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08-18-2006 11:00
From: Dianne Mechanique
Not that I am a Gorean (or even like it) ... but many years ago I did read the Gor series of books and this is definitely not what they were all about.

A true Gorean master would never treat a slave that way and if you do you are just another run-of-the-mill BDSM'er. Gor slavery is supposed to be about the joy of service, not "slappin my bitches around."


Maybe you read the Gor book by Disney?

Cause damned as hell, the Gorean books I read was not how you represent Gor. Heh! Even a Gorean newbie knows this much. xD.
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08-18-2006 11:18
From: Lost Newcomb
Maybe you read the Gor book by Disney?

Cause damned as hell, the Gorean books I read was not how you represent Gor. Heh! Even a Gorean newbie knows this much. xD.


Please, I'm still getting my head around the idea of the Disney Character Militia.

:)

*now imagines a Disney World based on Gor*

(an aside, from the novels, something I always remembered, was one scene where the "joy of sex" from a slave's point of view was described as being based in part on the fact that the master who was fucking her had the right to take her life if he wished. I mean, jeezus, you really have to go to the extremes of BDSM to find that sort of thing. Fine if you like it but please, I've have experience with the latter and find the idea of it as abusive compared to Gor a bit more than annoying.)
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08-18-2006 11:40
If I were to join the Gor culture I would definately want to be a Priest King :D
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08-18-2006 11:45
From: Nyx Divine
If I were to join the Gor culture I would definately want to be a Priest King :D


I'll be a Kurri, the Gorean Furry.

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Don't worry the Disney Gor educated SL Goreans would not know such beasts exist. xD
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08-18-2006 11:50
From: Lost Newcomb
Don't worry the Disney Gor educated SL Goreans would not know such beasts exist. xD


Yes they do, why do you think they don't allow Furs in their sims? ;)
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08-18-2006 11:56
am I the only women who just cringes when she hears another woman called "Slut" by her "Master"... I'm just too much of a feminist to handle that stuff.. I'd slap the man that called me a slut.. but hey.. to each their own.. and as long as I don't have to be included in it.. that's fine with me..
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08-18-2006 12:11
From: Rowan Carroll
am I the only women who just cringes when she hears another woman called "Slut" by her "Master"... I'm just too much of a feminist to handle that stuff.. I'd slap the man that called me a slut.. but hey.. to each their own.. and as long as I don't have to be included in it.. that's fine with me..


To me, that is best kept in the bedroom...er... skybox or whatever if it turns you on, which it does some people, like a lot of things we wouldn't do in public, heh. D/s or no, it's bad manners and inconsiderate of other people who don't want to play your voyeur against their will, although I guess we all do here in SL, but with sex... I would castrate anyone who used the kind of language reserved for sex that way. I really don't want to hear your "dirty talk" in public even in SL. Unless your name really is Slut Zeno or something, lol.

Oh, boy, I've gone off on Gor and SL sexual manners and this was supposed to be about silks, I'll just shuddup, now. :)
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08-18-2006 12:27
Back to silks I suppose.

Anyways, the Goreans are your number one customers, since the Taliban is not that SL savy.

Thus, the usually discriminating eye of the Gorean Master is looking for silks that might be along the lines of those worn in Ar, or Ko-ro-bar or Turia.

A Gorean silk must be not be seen as a something that's ment to conceal, it must at all times be seen as some sort of a adornment, a highlighting of a feature. Never should it be used to hide the various sensual spots on a Gorean slave. The less silk a girl has, the more her price is, generally.

And on Furries, Gorean furries do indeed exist, infact all Gorean woman are furries. This is somewhat inter-related to silks. A Gorean silk should be cut in a way as not to hide the furry between a Gorean woman. Yes Gorean woman never shave any of their body fur.
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08-18-2006 12:33
Hogwash..the most beautiful silk is the one laying in shreds at the feet of a naked slave never to be worn again. Masters prefer their slaves naked...it's the girl that thinks she needs silks.
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08-18-2006 12:47
From: Lost Newcomb
OMG if you dont like the D*** how would we as a race exist :( :p


I love the dick. :P
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08-18-2006 12:51
Why hasn't anybody made a thread about polyester? Some folks think thats hawt.

Me, I'll stick with wool. There is something about pure wool on skin.
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08-19-2006 07:32
From: Lost Newcomb
And on Furries, Gorean furries do indeed exist, infact all Gorean woman are furries. This is somewhat inter-related to silks. A Gorean silk should be cut in a way as not to hide the furry between a Gorean woman. Yes Gorean woman never shave any of their body fur.


ah the helga syndrom.

Man thats one more reason I don't like Gor.
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08-19-2006 10:33
From: Io Zeno
Yes they do, why do you think they don't allow Furs in their sims? ;)


Because the Kurii think female (human) meat is a delicacy and eat the men too...

Because the Kurii have zilch ability to fit in peacefully because all of them would rather eat a human than learn one of their trades.

Thats why they don't allow them in. Furs of other types aren't allowed because they DIDN'T EXIST.
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08-19-2006 11:12
From: Dianne Mechanique
Not that I am a Gorean (or even like it) ... but many years ago I did read the Gor series of books and this is definitely not what they were all about.

A true Gorean master would never treat a slave that way and if you do you are just another run-of-the-mill BDSM'er. Gor slavery is supposed to be about the joy of service, not "slappin my bitches around."


Speaking as a "run-of-the-mill BDSM'er", this statement is so far off base. A D/s (Dominant/submissive) relationship is most definately NOT about "slappin bitches around".

A so called "master" who treats a slave that way is nothing more than a roleplayer (or simply an abuser getting his rocks off), he can call himself a Gorean but that does not make him a Dominant and shows he knows nothing about what BDSM is.

BDSM is not Gor. It is not related to Gor. BDSM was around long before some guy (badly) wrote some lame book series. Some Gorean roleplayers utilize some aspects of BDSM in their roleplay and some do not.

To say that Gor and BDSM are the same thing is like saying brocolli and apples are the same thing. Yes they are both food but believe me you get a very different flavor from each.
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08-19-2006 11:18
Without getting into all of the chatter about whether we D/s lifestylers are or are not terribly damaged, pitiful people ... :rolleyes:

I would personally vote for Solange!/The Silk Raven as the source for the best silks I've found to date. These days, you really want to get flexi silks for the most part, and the ones sold there are simply beautiful.
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08-19-2006 11:26
Allana is right, D/s is not Gor neither is it BDSM. All of which is consentual.

The premise of Gor as given in the books is based on non-consentual rape and slavery through sadistic fear of pain, impalement and rape.

Alex, don't include Gor in D/s. We are talking about Gor not D/s. Infact, I myself am a little Master... ahem.

Edit: Who is Helga? Is it this guy ? http://l3d.cs.colorado.edu/systems/agentsheets/city/Helga-Martin.gif yeah he's dressed like a kajira.
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08-19-2006 11:34
From: Lost Newcomb
Allana is right, D/s is not Gor neither is it BDSM. All of which is consentual.

The premise of Gor as given in the books is based on non-consentual rape and slavery through sadistic fear of pain, impalement and rape.

Alex, don't include Gor in D/s. We are talking about Gor not D/s. Infact, I myself am a little Master... ahem.

Edit: Who is Helga? Is it this guy ? http://l3d.cs.colorado.edu/systems/agentsheets/city/Helga-Martin.gif yeah he's dressed like a kajira.


A male Gorean slave would be a "kajirus," technically. ;)
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08-19-2006 11:39
From: Alex Fitzsimmons
A male Gorean slave would be a "kajirus," technically. ;)


I'll say Helga is at least a B, if not a C cup, thus it kinda rules out Helga being a kajirus. And look at those thighs, surely those are for breeding babies? no?
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08-19-2006 11:49
From: Lost Newcomb
I'll say Helga is at least a B, if not a C cup, thus it kinda rules out Helga being a kajirus. And look at those thighs, surely those are for breeding babies? no?



*wrinkles brow* but he looks shaved thus making him not a helga.
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