Warning- Money Chair Exploit!

Been to LF mall or something like that... camping chairs right in the center of the place, nothing rezed, I was so frustraed I forgot what I even went there for, but I can guarantee I won't be back....

I have been trying to visit Shadow Weavers shop in LF Mall and the sim is full due to camping chairs, this has got to be bad for business

there are failsafe that shut down chairs! don`t you use that feature? I seen this happen in a number of them. They TURN OFF................Besides i believe there is a 2000 a chair limit. and if few diff people sit in them in a length of a day.there is not close in 2000l in a chair..... NIce drama thou thumbs up!

Kaza is one of the friendy and caring owner on sl. He cares about his club and theose that sit in his clubs money chairs. So if your flaming him because he running his club so well then PFFFFF............

I went to check out a mall for a possible rental. A friend told me it was a really cool mall, had a lot of traffic.
I got there, well to the border anyway. The sim was full and everyone was in the mall.

There were a few of us hanging outside.
One of the people on the border with us said "How can it be full 24/7?"
I started looking around, zooming in to see what everyone was doing. There didn't seem to be a club, tringo, slingo etc.
Then, I noticed all the full camping chairs.
At the same time, my friend was able to get in as someone left.

We had seen a few rentos up from outside so I asked him to check the rent.
I couldnt believe it when he told me it was 350 a week!! I think this was for something like 20 prims.

What amazes me, is that so many people had actually rented retail spots there.

Is it so hard to figure out that if they are so busy with camping chairs there are a few things that happen...

-No one else who lives or has a business in that sim can get customers or even themselves in.

-The lag caused by that many people alone even if the chairs themselves don't lag would make shopping a very bad experience.

-People who sit in chairs to make such a small amount of money are not your potential customers.

-The mall owners that have so many chairs that it easily and frequently max's the sims capacity for avatars do not care about bringing customers to your shop. They care about attracting you with their high dwell numbers so they can get outrageous rent out of you. They also have no regard for other residents of that sim.

-People who do come to the mall to shop and face the experience I did...hanging outside for 10 mins...are not going to stick around or come back. There are too many other choices out there.

I rent retail spots in a few places that do have chairs, but not enough to max the sim capacity. I have no problem with those. But I would be a fool to slap down my hard earned money for a place where I would be lucky to see a handfull of legitimate shoppers.

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Go on, I'll flame away! The people that have these camping chairs are simply abusing the system to make their locations look popular, and to eek as much dwell out of the system as possible. They are only popular because they're paying people to sit down there. Most of these places are god-awful messes built by people with absolutely no sense of aesthetics, or of how to create engaging content, so the only way they can be popular (and, in their minds, no doubt "win the game" is to resort to base tactics such as this. They're parasites and they add very little to the Second Life experience and, in many cases, have a negative impact.

To be honest it's pathetic.

We originally put our chairs down hoping new users would use them.

It was working out fine for awhile.

We had less then 8 chairs located at different areas. Mostly over looking a park area or in this little room we had hidden away. Our hosts and family members were using them the hang out on the land while they worked etc.

The problems started when people would sit, play free slots (we think with a mouse macro) or log on with 3 or 4 alts using the chairs. It got to be a big hassle and wasn't working out as planned.

We now only use a few chairs and only turn on the free slots when the chairs are turned off.

We would rather have the traffic from our SL-ingo guests or people visiting and just hanging out. We have done well for a small place and was very excited when we got on the popular list for a few days.

Camp chairs aren't worth the hassle and it looks really bad on the list when you see all these chairs listed in a competition at the top of the list. Our neighbors, Vixens, have done great with traffic by having great events and friendly hosts, no chairs needed.

Next I imagine someone will design a click ball that pays you a set amount after spending five minutes on the land. That would make more sense for traffic, kinda like a money tree...

Hi Moopf I totally agree with you! They do abuse the dwelling purpose. We can thank a few owner that causes this to happen. I have been in on sl for over a year and i agree there should be some changes to this dwelling (sit on your bunny tail and get paid for it). If you read some of my other post about money chairs/Newbies become more greedy you will see. AS I see the game today its getting like who can get the most dwelling and that is all. What happened to social and interaction in the game? I tell you!..............The cut in week pay! Well Moopf I can`t agree with you more hun in the statement you made!
But With the post i replied to Sen C, she is bitching about others who are making money where she has free money for dwelling and not doing as well.

Usagi give it up.. we do not use these money chairs, and I was not complaining because they are doing well, I was complaining because you can not enter the place to shop... it was a mall I was trying to get to, not a club btw... save your drama, you have no clue what you are even talking about.

give it up? ummmmmmmmmmmmm some things never change.............must be nice to THINK YOUR perfect a? NOT!! I was young like you once......But I was never close to like you. THANK GOD! The Only Drama I ever saw was the post you make on the forum. I too old for little girl games.......

I think you've got the wrong end of the stick here. I don't get on with Sensual at all, but even I can't see in her post what you're implying. She was saying that there are lots of camping chairs and nothing rezzed, that's kind of like most of those sorts of places in SL, unless they've been done properly.

Your viewpoints appear to contradict themselves and I'm more than a little confused. You're protecting this person whilst also agreeing that they're abusing the system for their own ends. Huh? Which is it?

I have newer seen this kind of chairs.. where can I?...

I noticed this after i posted it...........But I have bitched about this chairs and their problems they are causing in the game. As Protection that person well....I looking at both ends of this issue not just one. Yes they are causing problems and yes they are helping owners get dwelling. Can you really blame these owners? Well I guess it depends on which sinde of the issue your on right? If LL did nt cut our week pay DO YOU THINK we see these many chairs in the game as we do see them now? I bet not!.......I just glade I am not a sim owner now adays.

Does anyone else find it really sad that of realm of possible things to do in SL, some people chose to sit on chairs for a few lindens??? There is so much to SL... this just seems like such a waste!

It is sad........Seeing countless newbies and older players just sit for hours and hours doing nothing. But then again its a trend t the moment right? It wil blowover.....

Can I blame the owners? Sure I can. If they can't build traffic on their own effort legitimately by offering useable environments, compelling content or interesting attractions and events then yup, absolutely 100%. They're not adding anything, they're just parasites, gathering dwell for dwell's sake. They're just appearing to be succesful by gaming the system when in fact it's all a sham. What exactly are they adding? Forgive me if I'm blind, but it doesn't seem to be much at all.

As for it being LL's fault, sorry I can't agree with that either. There are plenty of places that are justifyably popular that don't have to rely on lazy means to get there. They actually put effort in. All these camping chair owners are doing are cynically feeding off those with little cash, chucking them a few beans, to further their own egos and make them and their places appear popular. I'm sure they treat them well (as you previously said) because they want them to keep coming back, wasting their own time sitting on the chairs. Oh and the chairs are just the latest in a long line of things like that that have been around since way before LL cut stipends, so cause and effect do not follow here at all. But it's always easy to blame somebody else - they forced me to do it!!!

I still think it's pathetic and Second Life would be better off without them. People want success without the effort.

Hardly - this is just one more variation on a the money ball idea.

I don't like money chairs..... but id be all for sexballs that paid out

I think money chairs may even get worse as time passes... there are alot of nice places and decent dwell but these places with the money chairs have 50k or more dwell than the average place, how is one to compete with that?

Well You Don`t see me being a club/mall owner do you? Why? because I seen more failed business on sl in the last 6 months then ones that have made it.


Being LLabs fault well again that depends on which side your the issue. Owner do cause LLabs to change their rules because the are from time to time.Why? Because people are always looking for a fast linden and will doing anything to many money. So LLabs changes the rules. Protection? Or The only the strong make it concept? You Choose.


Stipends cut have played a big part in these Moneychair/Dance Pad dwelling muncher concept. One day there was 5 then BOOM! There was 15 then 20 now over 35 in the game.

I think you missunderstood that I was refering to BLAME THE OTHER GUY CONCEPT. I was far from do this this. I was just pointing out the sides of the issues. I neither a fence sitter or ass kisser.........

I have found that, with regard to that particular set of viewpoints, it's easiest to pretend they don't exist. The brain isn't designed to cope with that much convolution.

edit: You're not going to end up missing much anyway.

LOL LUC Think about it OMG they make a mint

But is it? Then i am only looking at it from 1 year old player standpoint.I bet older players have a view of this don`t you think?!

I have newer seen this kind of chairs.. where can I?...

Do a search under find... money chairs