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Sell Modifiable Flex Prims.....why?

Sensual Casanova
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Join date: 28 Feb 2004
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06-04-2006 22:16
From: Nyx Divine
Do you have a point or a succinct response?

Or are you attempting to make me feel small for posting my response?

Or are you trying to be funny?

Please do tell, because then I will know how to respond :D

hmm, I guess trying to be funny and lighten the mood... but seriously I think youtook his comment a bit too personal and need to lighten up.. make you feel small? of course not... you have the right to say how you feel...
Alex Fitzsimmons
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06-04-2006 22:21



This thing's getting a workout. :p
Debeenz Pavlova
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Join date: 1 Sep 2005
Posts: 88
06-04-2006 22:23
From: Sensual Casanova
If they so happen to mess it up beyond repair, no biggie.. send me the remains and I send a new one lol


bwahaha... mangled prim remains... brilliant.

I have on occasion mangled the odd prim or two and wish I had the cahones to im the creator and tell them.

"hiya... I'm stupid and 'asploded your prims... they sure are pretty though, hyuk hyuk"

anyway... when it comes to clothes or attachmentie things always get modify enabled.
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Cristiano Midnight
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Join date: 17 May 2003
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06-05-2006 03:03
From: Nyx Divine
No offense, but why oh why do people, and you I guess, determine a persons worth by what kind of avatar they decide to have?

What if my avatar has huge tits, a tiny waist and I saunter around in heels all day, why does that bother you SO much?

You really really assume way to much...I don't judge a person by his or her AV.....but I get the impression you look down on anyone who wants to look 'nice' or 'hawt' per their definition, in SL.

While your comment pushed a button, this is NOT only addressed to you Cristiano, I have seen, many times since I got here, how folks in the forums belittle others for their choice of shape, style and dress of their AV and it pisses me off.

If I want to be a 'Barbie Doll' as so many here put it, then why not let me be one? But it has now become a derogatory label.

*sigh* this really could be a whole nother topic and I kinda hijacked this thread


It is you who assumes way too much, you got all of that from one sentence? I don't judge an individual by their avatar, where did I say that? I said I was tired of seeing only one representation of what female beauty is supposed to be. The one that society shoves down women's throats and tells them that they are worthless if they don't look like Paris Hilton. Believe me, I live in one of the most beauty obsessed cities in the world, and I find nothing less appealing than a fake rack on a board thin woman who agonizes over the carb content of a Tic Tac. I would much rather be with someone who is comfortable with who they are without augmentation.

It is sad really that this is the only accepted vision of beauty in society, when beautiful women come in all shapes and sizes. You don't really see that diversity reflected in SL though. If you want to make yourself look a certain way because that is how you've always wanted to look, then more power to you. I would just ask the question is the big tits tiny waist impossibly thin look your ideal or someone else's definition? It is just sad that the same harsh definition of beauy in RL is carried over into a place like SL, and that more people don't feel comfortable expressing themselves beyond just what is considered ideal.
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Joannah Cramer
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06-05-2006 07:09
From: Cristiano Midnight
I would just ask the question is the big tits tiny waist impossibly thin look your ideal or someone else's definition? It is just sad that the same harsh definition of beauy in RL is carried over into a place like SL, and that more people don't feel comfortable expressing themselves beyond just what is considered ideal.

Well, kind of funny you'd say so when part of the SL 'ideal' seems to also include JLo-like butt sticking half a mile out, which you quite approved earlier in the thread ^^;;
Persephone Milk
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Join date: 7 Oct 2004
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06-05-2006 07:15
At the risk of steering this tread back onto it's original course ... :p

I find no-copy/no-mod things very frustrating and tend to avoid them if I can. But I also tend to find no-transfer items frustrating when shopping for a gift. Unfortunately, I don't think there will be a good solution to these problems until Linden Lab makes some changes. Here are some frustrations I have, and how I feel they can be resolved.

NO-COPY

Frustration: No-copy perms are frustrating for somebody like me because I like to mix and match items from various outfits to create my own unique looks. Lacking copy perms means I have to move a skirt out of it's original folder into my outfit folder, breaking the original outfit. Worse still, I cannot use the same skirt in more than one custom outfit. If I have mod rights, but lack copy rights, then I cannot even back up the original and I risk ruining an item if I change it.

Solution: Inventory shortcuts. When I right click on a no-copy item (or any item) I should get the option to "Copy Shortcut." When I paste the shortcut into a folder I would be pasting a link to the original item (actually the item's key so that if the item is moved the shortcut isn't broken). This way I can leave the skirt in it's original folder and use it in many custom outfits. I would also love it if the "Create Outfit" feature of the Appearances dialog created a folder of shortcuts, rather than moving items and destroying the original sets.


NO-MOD

Frustration: No-mod items, particularly clothing or attachments made from prim, are frustrating because not every avatar shape is identical. I have purchased many boots and prim skirts that were ultimately useless to me because I could not fit them to my shape (no, my booty isn't that big!). At the same time I recognize that many designers make a good living selling color and texture variations of their items.

Solution: More granularity in permissions. Presently items are either mod, or no-mod. I would like to see each tab of the edit dialog addressed with a separate mod perm. So, for example, an item could be "object" mod, but "texture" no-mod. This would allow me to size my boots, but not retexture them.


NO-TRANSFER:

Frustration: No-transfer items make gifting very frustrating. This hurts both seller and buyer. While many designers are happy to send a gift on your behalf, that kind of spoils the idea of wrapping a gift and watching your friend open it.

Solution
: Transfer Complete and Transfer Once. With Transfer Complete perms, if you transfer an items, you transfer all copies of that item. With Transfer Once perms, you can transfer the item one time, and the recipient gets the item as no-transfer.


Anyway, those are my thoughts. As a seller and a shopaholic, I would sure love to see some improvements in the area of perms in a future release.
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Cindy Claveau
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06-05-2006 07:39
From: milady Guillaume
It's been a week or two since flex prims came into being. Thank you LL for another option in prim manipulations. The beef that I have is with designers that create flex prim skirts, ribbons, hair, that is no modify. I have gotten the reason for no mod in a variety of excuses. The one that irratates me the most is "a customer will muck it up" and I'll have unwanted IMs to fix their scew ups.

I've seen vendors sell items mod/copy and no transfer, with ample signs and notecards WARNING customers to "make a copy before you dink with it". I think this not only lets customers customize the size to fit their avie (very critical with prim attachments) but seriously reduces needless customer support calls.
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06-05-2006 07:49
From: Persephone Milk


Solution
: Transfer Complete and Transfer Once. With Transfer Complete perms, if you transfer an items, you transfer all copies of that item. With Transfer Once perms, you can transfer the item one time, and the recipient gets the item as no-transfer.


One big bonus - for stuff I've made - of no-transfer is that it becomes much, much easier to provide customer support. If you make an updated/improved version of something, you can just give out copies of it to all the buyers without any fear that they'll pass off their old versions to other people, who will then use the same update system to claim their newer version and pass the old version on again and so on.

If you're doing it manually, you can ask people to give you their existing copies, of course, but if you're doing it automatically it's very hard for a script to validate the item handed in is genuine (if only we could have integer llIsInstanceOfSameAsset(key a, key b)... :) )
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