Cheats in SL...

i'm not really disagreeing with your post zap, but I do think it wouldn't be a shocker if some people didn't catch it. If you are new to SL or not really a builder, how would you know? There are some impressive things being done right now with rendered textures and fancy photoshop work.

The bed sheet was a dead giveaway, but I'm just saying if you haven't spent a lot of time fighting with prims and soft edges, how would you know what can't be done?

Eh.

Way I see it, this is no different from 90% of all marketing campaigns. It ranks up there with ads proclaiming hair gel will increase your sex life and how Ugg the Caveman invented the telephone.



If I had it my way, marketeers like those would be burned at the stake. But moving back to reality, consumer education and, yes, laws inhibiting false advertisements are really the only way we have.

I dont know why you listed the link to those shoes, there are no mistakes there hunny, those are what they are in SL... whats the problem?

On a tangent (just because I'm with that), there's the classic misunderstanding in SL that goes along the lines of:


Those are usually pretty hilarious in retrospect, but can be maddeningly terrifying the first time. I do understand.

Nice thing we have a better way to open boxes now...

ROFl it seems better, but im experiencing TONS of bugs with it.

When i click "Open" objects in contents are not showing and saying "No Contents"
I have to relog in order to see them pfft if they would fix it.. it would rock!

I see your point... But if I was gonna spend 2500 on furniture I'm not gonna be new..

But I do see your point, and at second look at the thread.. ITs definatly a scam..

Well, I looked at the age of the players. I read the enthusiasm in their advertisement. It didn't seem like it could be an intended scam, surely, because it would only work a few times anyway. That's an awful lot of work for new players to go to to scam people.

I agree about the refund, but I wasn't there for all those conversations, and it could be people got their undies in a bundle, in ways that would be understandable, had we been there. So I agree basically with Travis, earlier in this thread. And we may have lost two well-intended players.

coco

As someone pointed out in the other thread:
1) There's no shiny part on the texture but it was advertised to have one
2) Doesnt even look leather
3) Price is wayyy high
4) Claims to worked on it for a month and a half but their account is a month old today
5) Original post claimed the pics were from in game but later edited out

Its just too many things to say "oh probably an oversight". Im willing to forgive and forget but dont brush this off as 1 simple oversight, it was multiple occurances of misleading people.

If you use real life photos in your advertising, I think you should also be show the SL equivalent in precisely as consspicuous a fashion.

I can see valid uses for the technique ("Here's the real world car, here's my version." But none of those involve using the real photo as the sole representation.

As for Sean's vehicle... Don't take it too hard, Sean. The vehicle isn't ugly as faras I can tell. It just needs more to interest people, I think. (And I haven't sold much of the stuff I'm offering either. Primarily the free one. ^_^ )

wuvme, you and I are on the same page—there are indeed some improvements that could be done. Do you know what causes this for you? Sure sounds buggy but sometimes for me, with a box with LOTS OF SCHTUFF it says that it's loading... and doesn't load.

Seems to me there is *nothing* wrong with the vehicle at all. However, it's likely the market niche of 'shiny metallic flying things' is pretty full by now.


In any market RL or otherwise, general rule of thumb is that the top 2 names share 80% of whatever specific market they are in.


Kinda like the Pepsi / Coke thing, yet generally true down to much smaller scales.

So I wouldn't feel bad about small sales just yet.


Live it, breathe it, be it, make the Shiny Metallic Flying Genre YOUR thing, pwn it, zen-master it. Never give up... and your day will come.

We live in a world where even Milli Vanilli could succeed - there is nothing that can stop your success other than just... quitting outright.

- Desmond Shang

there is a difference between photosourcing textures and putting them on the things you sell in SL and photographing them exactly as they have been built; and using a photograph of something to sell your object and your object looks nothing like your advertizing, mistake or not.

those are simply two different things

many designers (vehicle creators, clothiers, builders etc) from the biggest names to beginners and including myself, use photosourcing

i do not think that is the issue here

Well..to me at least, it was obviously a scam to sucker people and collect some fast cash. Not just using incredibly misrepresenting pics on his products, but also his reaction and using the standard "poor me" defense. The alts and crappy quality of the actual product also lend themselves to the idea that it was some loser trying to rip folks off.

Hell, I get pissed when I buy clothes that look only vaguely like the photochopped pic on the box. And that happens fairly frequently.

I like that phrase - Photochopped, and I see I am not the only one who gets stuck with clothes that don't look like the picture.

Encourage the regular use of holo-vendors to display items so that people can see what they are getting?

i've seen way better leather furniture for less money, and it does look like actual leather. whether being a "newb" or being around for awhile, it's a matter of common sense i think. post what you actually make, not what you wish it would look like.

Before I started throwing/giving them away I had a whole folder labeled "this stuff sucks" with like 100 items in it. Mismatched straps, bad seam alignment, prim skirts made to fit a 12 year old boy that are no mod. Only thing I miss about There is "try before you buy" At least if people could see it was crap before they bought it people would have to try harder not to make complete garbage.

I use Holo-Vendors for my furniture whenever the prim limits will permit. Some landlords don't understand about temp-rezzing yet and give you a hard time about the number of prims in the display. The new prims owner list in the land property popup counts the temp-rezzed prims even if the they are not counted against the land prim limit. In some cases, I have resorted to a "Click-to-Rez" approach to keep the prim count down. oop's, sorry for the tangent.

I can assure you that an inworld sample sells the furniture much better than a picture does. However, many will still buy funiture from a picture/photo. I only use photos taken inworld and rarely have I "Photochopped" except to size the image for the vendor or change the overall brightnness.

I'm a strong believer that what you show is what you should be selling. And I will always go out of my way to make the buyer happy with their purchase.

If this wasn't a scam this was a good and hard lesson for him/them. I just hope this was also a good lesson for the buyers. Those pictures were clearly RL pics and 2500L for 3 peices of furniture, I would have asked to see them before I even considered buying them. I've made alot of purchase mistakes over the past year and a half in SL and this is a common one. I've learned to buy from word of mouth and from designers that I've been happy with already. I've saved alot of L$'s since doing this.

MJ

Well, if it was an intentional scam, it surely had to be one of the world's stupidest and shortest-lived scams! That it would be such a stupid scam is, I guess, the reason I doubt whether it was one.

coco

If they presented a picture of a RL object as the SL object, I don't care when they joined, that's not "a mistake", that's a scam.
You think? People fall for those "I'm the ex president of zimbabwe" scams! I mean, BIG time, flying to Nigeria and getting kidnapped and everything.

I don't think I was hard on him at all. He asked why the vehicle didn't sell, I told him that it didn't look attractive in the picture. I didn't say it was an ugly vehicle, just that the picture didn't present it as something I found attractive. And I've bought about a dozen 'planes... one of them twice!

Really, have a look at what the successful vendors are doing. In RL as well.

Heck, you know that. He could use your displays for ideas.

Anyone who refuses a refund to an honestly and obviously misled customer doesn't deserve business as far as I'm concerned.

It is reasons like this that I am content with being a unknown vehicle builder. I have incorporated abilitites to allow test drive models to be made available for free that are good for one use and are full feature representations of the actual retail version. Too bad there wasn't a way to have this sort of feature in furniture. I mean, it could be done but it would take some script fu and some leg work. Hmm..... Some sort of furniture server that commands display model furniture to die after some point.... Biggest problem, a customer might be able to remove the scripts..... hmmm...... I will need to think on this some more. Thanks for giving me yet another project......

SL is in need of some sort of try before you buy feature for more static items like houses and furniture that do not need the main scripts to function. Remove a vehicle's main script and you most likely have a large paperweight. Remove a sit script from a chair, just set a poseball on it.

sorry argent, yeah going back i see I misread your post