Watch a blog for updates on performance of SL??????
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Fade Languish
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08-16-2006 03:23
From: Aodhan McDunnough Please read my other posts on the issue. I don't like the forum going. I value selected forum threads for discussing solutions we can toss to LL. Accepting that it has to go is not the same as liking that it's going. This is a thread focused on the issue of performance update announcements, which I feel do not need a forum at all. Please do not generalize that just because I say we don't need a forum for grid updates that I'm also saying we don't need the forum. Yup, two different issues, news and community discussion. I knew nothing about RSS feeds until this thread. Following SuzanneC's advice, googled it, read, downloaded one, installed it... and then all I had to do was add the URL, and it was all there for me. All done in a few minutes. Seriously, looking at it, this is better for getting this kind of information from LL. I've already caught up on more than I ever bothered reading on the forum, or by visiting the blog directly via my browser. Communication is changing rapidly, and we're going to have to be prepared to try new things. I greatly lament the loss of the forums, but for news from LL, I like this more already.
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Joannah Cramer
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08-16-2006 03:43
From: Aodhan McDunnough Please do not generalize that just because I say we don't need a forum for grid updates that I'm also saying we don't need the forum. Sorry, i didn't mean it that you personally may feel one way or another about the forum closing. ^^ And yes, these are two separated issues, but they were pretty much made one due to unfortunate timing on LL part... which is why i mentioned it. Finally, i think this whole 'blog' thing would actually be accepted quite easier if it actually *was* presented as what it really is, news page, and put where it belongs i.e. the front page and/or client window area on launch (along with the RSS feed/subscription option) The 'blog' hoopla is a bit irritating since it's to a degree taking the old concept and just re-branding it without any real functionality change behind it. So in a way, it feels rather fake -- 'ohh look at us, we're sooo modern and up-to-date, we have *company blog* now'. Yawn 
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Lewis Nerd
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08-16-2006 03:58
From: Aodhan McDunnough I seriously do not think they find out about grid problems from the forums. There are enough people signaling in-world, they also are in-world. The lag between incidents occurring and Linden announcements happening can be attributed to investigation time. Remember that when the Lindens post, it doesn't mean someone told them about it, it means they've already investigated and confirmed it. When you're in-world and there's a problem, you call Live Help and report the issue, then Lindens post in the Announcements forum to tell us what's going on. If you can't get in-world, you read the Announcements forum to find out what's going on. Forums are two-way discussions. Blogs are meant to be like diaries, read and commented on the subject given. They are in no way a replacement for the forums, and I certainly resent being forced into using a blog if it will be the only way to discuss issues of importance to the community that I am paying for. It appears that Linden Lab clearly do not see 'community' as any importance whatsoever, and are shifting their focus to big names and corporations who come here for one off events, rather than those of us who are creating their world for them. SL is already expensive compared to other games, if you wish to achieve anything at all. At the moment, I am still having fun for my monthly fee, and my fun is based on creating, not sales or making an income. The moment I stop having fun will be the moment I cancel and get out of here. To Linden Lab, that may just be a loss of a measly $50 a month amongst the millions - but to the community overall, it is the loss of a creative, talented enthusiastic player who cares passionately about making this place a better one. I know I'm not the only one in this position too. Lewis
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Aodhan McDunnough
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08-16-2006 04:12
From: Joannah Cramer Finally, i think this whole 'blog' thing would actually be accepted quite easier if it actually *was* presented as what it really is, news page, and put where it belongs i.e. the front page and/or client window area on launch (along with the RSS feed/subscription option) The 'blog' hoopla is a bit irritating since it's to a degree taking the old concept and just re-branding it without any real functionality change behind it. So in a way, it feels rather fake -- 'ohh look at us, we're sooo modern and up-to-date, we have *company blog* now'. Yawn  They've consolidated the blog already which means to me that they have the capability of filtering some of those posts to go on the homepage. Based on all that's been said I can see part of the Lindens' plans with regards to comms, but the picture is not complete. We shouldn't be assuming that closing the forum is all there is. But also Linden Lab needs to be a little more clear with communicating what the overall plan is. As it stands the pieces of information are all scattered. I'm not going to speculate on what LL plans to be the complete communication system and I do not assume the blog is the whole thing. But these I have gathered or can conclude: 1. The forum is draining resources while not producing the necessary information with good enough yield. We're too noisy. The forum is too cluttered. Intelligent discussions frequently get bombed by whining and grandstanding. As I mentioned in SLDrama: From: someone The SL forums would have gotten very unmanageable soon enough, maybe it's good after all that LL is pushing the community to migrate. Among all the forums I've been in, SL has the highest post generation rate, highest new thread generation rate, highest clutter level (really bad), and highest levels of off-topic posts (alarming). And this is from such a relatively small population.
It would seem then that it will be better for us and LL that we do move our discussions to other fora where we can be more focused per-thread. In many situations I have found unofficial forums to be more focused than official forums. 2. MORE exploits were relayed to LL by communications outside the forum than by the forum. So we can't argue that the forums are the chief exploit source. 3. LL is already getting a lot of its feedback on just about everything from outside the forums. As sad as it sounds, we were the ones responsible for making the forum not serve the purpose it was intended. In employment parlance, we made the forum redundant. I like discussing here on the SL forum because it's convenient and it's centralized. You don't have to wonder which residents are here or not. However I also cannot deny that a large part of this place has become an unproductive mess. LL cannot scale the fourms because they will also scale the mess. It's been said when the General and Sandbox were removed, troublemakers spilled into the other subforums. There's no way to stop those who won't behave or post properly. Many think the resmods have been heavy handed. I think they're still too lenient. There are a lot of posts I see on a daily basis that should have been de-approved, not at all because of content, but because of the way they're written. Though I like discussing on these forums and feel bad that we're losing them, you also won't find me campaigning hard to keep them. Why? It's because no one has shown a way to keep the mess from scaling along with the forums. There is only a select few on the forum that I truly respect and they include people I agree with, and alsp people I disagree with, people who support LL and people who are critical of LL. I respect them because they know how to discuss and argue without losing it. Wherever they will congregate, that's where I'll be. @Lewis You make good points. However it arises from the assumption that everything we see now (external forums, Linden blog, and SL forum closure) is the complete picture and will never change. I don't think it's the whole picture and I certainly don't believe it will never change.
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Niamh Flanders
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08-16-2006 04:40
From: Sansarya Caligari I tried clicking the orange RSS, but it took me to a page that stated there was no style information available and below that a lot of html coding.
?? I did that too. Up in the bar where you type the url is the little orange icon you need to click, not the one on the right side of the page that says entries.
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Chronic Skronski
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08-16-2006 06:36
From: Pham Neutra The most recent item actually is at the top of the Linden blog. This might not be the most recent status of the grid. But ... ... when the most recent item is not a grid status, the grid probably does not have any problems (anymore).  Careful, you're being totally logical.
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Chronic Skronski
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08-16-2006 06:45
From: Niamh Flanders I did that too. Up in the bar where you type the url is the little orange icon you need to click, not the one on the right side of the page that says entries. We both replied to this, but unfortunately mine was lost in the complaints, just like everything else here. If people are still complaining about how difficult it is, then it's glaringly obvious that they refuse to even try. Adding a live bookmark to Firefox can be done in under five seconds, and you don't even need an RSS reader. I posted the instructions (all three clicks) a couple of pages ago. Useful information that would help all players see the grid status immediately without having to go to a forum OR blog - but it has been drowned out by the moaning. I agree 99% with everything Aodhan has said in this thread except for one thing - I am going to be glad to see certain parts of the forum go.
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08-16-2006 09:51
From: Cocoanut Koala I don't believe I suggested that they are supposed to post warnings previous to difficulties. I also believe I said that I had already gone to the link at the bottom of the page. I believe I pointed out that if you want more details, you then have to "snake around," as another user put it so aptly, to find them on a blog. You really have a very low opinion of the residents, don't you. coco Just the continually stupid ones.
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08-16-2006 10:42
From: Aodhan McDunnough Something I just remembered. All the MMOGs I've been to (heck and even a lot of non-mmogs) report all their major announcements like promotions, policy changes, new features, and grid status on their homepage in a large space usually in the middle of the page and a bit down from the main graphics. The news update section of the home page takes on the format of a vertical string of individual articles with the newest one on top and older articles below. Guess what structure that is? .... yes, it's a blog. All LL needs to do (and it's likely they will) is to modify their blog structure to make the different classifications of data easier to access. They initially had separate blogs, now they have a consolidated blog, they can create a focused spinoff blog fed by the consolidated blog. At the very least, they can make the news update blog show up on the homepage just like how everyone else does it. I'm thinking they need to get a wordpress plugin for sticky posts that lock important announcments to the top of a page... Oh, and I use http://blog.secondlife.com/category/announcements/ to find all the latest info right now
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Jellin Pico
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08-16-2006 11:56
From: milady Guillaume Why in hell would I want to watch a blog to find out when SL is up and running up to par? I want to read that HERE ! Well clearly the problem here is, if they keep these sorts of announcements in the forums, then there is altogether too much opportunity for people to somehow disagree with LL's version of the announcement. With the elimination of the forums, then we'll be free to hear the unadulterated and pure LL chosen truth about the stability and usability of SL as a whole, unfettered by any opinions of the stinky people masses.
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Torley Linden
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08-16-2006 12:28
From: Pham Neutra Ooops! No way to do a proper announcement blog. Maybe we should educate Torley about blogging a bit? (She is an experienced blogger for quite a while, though.)  Thx--learning, adapting! Next time I'll remember. Whatever blogging education comes my way, I'm grateful for it. It's how we growwww
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Torley Linden
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08-16-2006 12:33
From: Aodhan McDunnough I seriously do not think they find out about grid problems from the forums. There are enough people signaling in-world, they also are in-world. The lag between incidents occurring and Linden announcements happening can be attributed to investigation time. Remember that when the Lindens post, it doesn't mean someone told them about it, it means they've already investigated and confirmed it. Yes, I know firsthand Liaisons find out tons and tons o' stuff on Live Help! Also my comment in here: http://blog.secondlife.com/2006/08/14/releases-past-present-and-future/#comment-2295And also what Josh wrote: And for those wondering “why are the Lindens not telling us what’s wrong during these outages?”http://blog.secondlife.com/2006/08/09/grid-outage-due-to-presence-issue/#comment-2031so it is super-important to acknowledge problems and do it quickly and firmly. And then followup!
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jrrdraco Oe
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08-16-2006 12:46
There is a small widget for Yahoo widget engine that shows SL grid status. it stays on your desktop or into konfabulator.
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Cocoanut Koala
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08-16-2006 15:45
Torley, the announcement still says "Several regions down" (or some such).
Shouldn't you update that?
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Chronic Skronski
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08-16-2006 20:06
http://secondlife.com/status/The Second Life grid and the Second Life web site are open.
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08-16-2006 20:43
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Torley Linden
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08-17-2006 10:21
From: Cocoanut Koala Torley, the announcement still says "Several regions down" (or some such). Shouldn't you update that? coco Thank you got it! "Let it come... streamline..."
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