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!!!fuc*n Sick And Tired!!!

Rafael Lamar
Registered User
Join date: 23 Jul 2006
Posts: 24
08-16-2006 13:20
well, after the last update, the lag has been all over the place. I can't be on for 15 minutes without crash and burn. usually it's like 5 minutes or less, and that's on sadbocxes and other normally lag-free areas.
Ishtara Rothschild
Do not expose to sunlight
Join date: 21 Apr 2006
Posts: 569
08-16-2006 17:21
From: Chloe Lowell
1) Do you work for LL? Or are you just a fanboy that is blinded by the terrible mistakes a for-profit company makes?
2) Why do you care what people complain about? If it offends you somehow, why not read something else?
3) Do you pay for a broken piece of software that is supposed to be a user-based development platform among other things? Do you see why LL doesn't charge now?

A lot of people are overly down on LL no matter what they do, others are overly protective of a for-profit company as if they are best friends - you appear to be the latter. I'll never be either, but that doesn't mean I don't have the right to come here and state what is glaringly obvious with respect to LL's policy of resolving these issues.


1) I don't work for LL, I just play and craft in SL and have a lot of fun doing so. Enough fun and enough service to justify the small amount that I pay for it. So yes, I think you probably could call me a fan :) Of course I'm annoyed by some bugs and performance issues too, but so far all my questions to the support were answered and the issues I still have to fight with are nothing I couldn't live with. As a former SOE customer I'm used to much worse.

2) I apologize for overreacting a little. I just find it annoying when people tell their grandmother they didn't like her christmas present. I also think whine threads don't help either the support staff or customers looking for help with specific bugs and problems.

3) I once paid $1300 for a development platform, MS Visual Studio Pro. I wouldn't call it bug-free (so far I've never seen a bug-free piece of software), and all I got was half a year of support; for further support I was supposed to pay. I used it to develop some database applications and I had to learn that every larger database that constantly keeps growing is bound to get severe problems at some point.
When I imagine the server park of LL and the database it uses (properties, permissions and inventory of every single prim, plus the sheer unlimited player inventories), I'm just astonished it works at all. And whenever I experience extreme lag in some areas, I can clearly see why. If I stand in a giant shopping mall with 120 little shops, each of them using 50+ scripted vendors with 50+ individual textures, I don't wonder about lag at all. Just as I don't wonder why my own computer is getting slower when I keep installing more and more little software tools which all run at the same time.

Btw, I wonder why you harp on the point that LL is a for-profit company? I'm glad they are. As long as they earn enough money with this game, they won't file for bankruptcy and bereft me of my no. 1 hobby. For-profit companies aren't the devil, they just try to make a living like anyone else. As long as I get what I paid for, I don't complain. If I don't pay a cent for it, I can of course still report bugs and ask for problem solutions, but just spamming "I don't like it" doesn't help anyone.
Chloe Lowell
Registered User
Join date: 28 Mar 2006
Posts: 84
08-17-2006 04:20
Question one, two and three, fine and dandy. Good responses really.

Why did you have to spoil it with that last paragraph though? You were so looking like a more reasonable person until you dropped that ball.

From: someone
Btw, I wonder why you harp on the point that LL is a for-profit company?


I could say, why do you constantly use words like, I, the, and and. The reason I don't is because it would be taking their usage out of context. The point is, for-profit companies don't need fanboys. Do you know why? Because one of their, if not always their main objective is to make money for their owners and investors. They don't need Little Johnny Red Coat flying a flag and cheering them on.

For example, if TESCO's (or I guess Wallmart could be a good American comparison?) failed to deliver milk for a week: do you stand outside the store shouting, "Yeah but check out their prices on fresh veg"? No, you don't. People's irrational fascination with sycophantic butt-kissing of for-profit companies astounds me.

From: someone
If I don't pay a cent for it, I can of course still report bugs and ask for problem solutions, but just spamming "I don't like it" doesn't help anyone.


This is really annoying, on many levels. Firstly, I don’t “spam”, secondly, spamming your disapproval of a companies actions when you don’t pay is about your only option, and the company’s only chance to learn. Because there are so many Little Johnny Red Coat’s in the world, genuine customers that roll over and empty their wallets while thanking them for it – some companies don’t always get a true picture if they just go with the paying customers view.

As is well known as a standard (but very rough estimate), it costs 10 times more to attract a paying customer than it does it to keep one. If people like me are saying, this is shockingly poor, I’m not even really happy when I get this for free let alone paying for it, that’s something a company should listen to.

So to cut any further explanation short as otherwise this will turn into an essay, you’re wrong! The forums are a great place for everyone to express their feelings one way or another. You may not agree, and it seems as LL is (apparently) getting rid of the forums, they may not agree either. But with their current practices, that isn’t saying much. Don’t get me wrong, I like SL, or more importantly the people and places. I want to see LL succeed and to make this into a better platform for everyone, so I may enjoy and even pay perhaps in the future for a better product. If they can’t do that, I hope someone else will.
Ishtara Rothschild
Do not expose to sunlight
Join date: 21 Apr 2006
Posts: 569
08-17-2006 05:40
With the spam I didn't mean your posts which are very well written. I was rather pointing at the original whine post that started this thread. If too many threads in a support forum look like this, the customer support will hardly make the effort of searching for real bug reports, useful feedback or questions.
But, alas, it's the same in every online game forum. MMORPGs tend to get 95% negative feedback, no matter how good the actual product is. I just hoped in an adult game complaints would take a more productive and civilized form (again referencing to post no.1, not the follow-ups).

Your comparison with Tesco's / Wallmart doesn't really catch the nature of SL, which is more of an entertainment product, like a TV channel. A free TV channel in this case. Of course, it's unpleasant if such a channel has an interference, but if it's free I don't write letters to the TV station. I just switch to another one for a while, or decide to turn off the TV and do something else.
Gigs Taggart
The Invisible Hand
Join date: 12 Feb 2006
Posts: 406
08-17-2006 05:57
From: Ishtara Rothschild
Uhm... anyone who complains about lag issues should ask herself or himself a few questions.

1.) Am I paying for this game?


Yes. More than some people pay for rent in RL each month!

From: someone

2.) Do I own land in the region affected by the lag?
If so, you can indeed complain. But before you do that, look around, at your home and the places of your neighbours - all those scripted objects, rotating logos,


I own all the public land in Epirrhoe. I know exactly what scripts are running and what objects are there. Nothing has changed. The sim is nearly empty, and few people are ever in it. Yet, Time Dilation has become terrible. If someone new flies into the sim the TD drops for 3 or 4 minutes. It wasn't like this before last week, except for about 2 weeks ago, it got like this and Patsy Linden rebooted it and fixed it.


From: someone
can afford it, buy an own plot of land, in a quiet sim without large clubs or shopping centers, and invite your friends to visit you there..


Lot of good that does us that own entire sims that are still seeing horrible sim performance problems lately.
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Usagi Musashi
UM ™®
Join date: 24 Oct 2004
Posts: 6,083
08-17-2006 20:48
OMG withe Populas at around 9000 in game...........The game is so lagged and people are crashing left and right.You called this Resolved???????? OMG its worse then ever.
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