Note to those having yard sales

If your yard sale is all day every day 24 hours a day -- its not a yard sale. Its a shop.

Just thought we ought to get that terminology straight.

That is all.

Viv

hehehehe, this has been a pet peeve of mine as well. However, the events listings continue to get spammed by people worshipping at the altar of the almighty TRAFFICVS.

An event, people, is when you do something that BREAKS the status quo. If you're a tringo parlor, hosting tringo is not an event. If you're a store, selling items is not an event. If you're me, being a wiseass isn't an event. Get it?

Regards,

-Flip

Do we still have an events list? Do people still bother to trudge through it?

I haven't looked at events since a few weeks after I started. I got tired of seeing the same thing over and over...

Well, let me be more specific. I actually happen to like yard sales. I've been to many legitimate yard sales and have bought quite a few good things -- like top designer items -- at very good prices. I love going to yard sales in RL too -- so its no surprise that I like them here.

But for crying out loud I there's nothing worse than flying 1Km away from the TP drop to get to a yard sale to find out its nothing more than a business and its there every friggin day and the prices are more expensive than if you had just gone to the orginial shop and bought it there in the first place. AND THEN they list it for every friggin hour!!!

Open a shop for crying out loud. And quit selling crap and trying to take newbies money -- cause they are the only ones who don't realize what a scam it is.

arrrgh

/soapbox off

What pisses me off is the requirement that I have some kind of contest with a high L$ amount to get anyone to show up at all. I'm going to have to start my Pirate Jaunts at these tringo and yardsale events, robbing and plundering people.

Maybe the correct terminology for some of them would be flea market, since some set up stalls and restrict it to one or two days.

But Flipper, you certainly make being a wiseass an event to witness!

Burke, sounds like your Pirate Jaunts needs a bit of publicity. Have you thought of asking the Messenger to do a story on it? I've heard they are looking for this kind of stuff...

I am so sick of going to a 'yard sale' and its not one at all. As you say, its there all day every day and the items for sale are either rubbish or more expensive than you could buy in a shop.

End result is that I don't go to them any more.

Alexa

When things stablize I will just start dropping in my own little vendor/kiosk at these places, and rez-hacking them so they don't autoreturn.

Pardonnez-moi, Flipper. I was with you on the first sentence above. That was cute.

But you lost me with the second!

TRINGO IS AN EVENT.

A store is a store is a store, 24 hours a day; period, the end.

A Tringo is NOT a Tringo 24 hours a day; period, the end. Tringo is an EVENT, that must have a HOST.

In fact, probably the best bottom line definition of "event" would be "something at which a host must be present." (Although that wouldn't cover everything, obviously - there are events that are "there" for a limited, like special fairs and exhibitions, but you can still attend them with no host present.)

I hosted the Game Show Channel in TSO, so this concept - that these EVENTS are not events - really irritates me.

Tringo, Bingo, Slingo, most certainly are events. Events for which the host must prepare, and must attend.

And when the host attends, believe me, it is SHOWTIME.

Have you never hosted a game, Flipper? I think you must not have. Or you would realize how much show biz it is.

If you had to be there, and you had to put it on, then you would realize that it is most definitely an event. There is no such thing as a "Tringo Parlor" - because TRINGO CANNOT HAPPEN WITHOUT A HOST.


Now you may have a host, and have a Tringo event, seven times a day. Or you may have it two nights a week, as I had GSC in TSO. That is your scheduling. It doesn't matter if you schedule frequently or infrequently. The point is, unlike a store, it must be scheduled, a host must be there, and the show must go on.

That makes each show - each Tringo session - an EVENT.


coco

Yes, I do.

Getting rid of events (or constraining them unduly) would irritate me as much as getting rid of Classifieds did. (Which are now reinstated.)

I want this information. You don't have to "trudge" through it much if you sort it by categories.

Last night I discovered a fun game called "Blood 21." You should try it!

You will find it on the EVENTS LIST.

coco

Haha, events list.

I've never used that piece of crap. I can't scroll through it for more than thirty seconds without my brain liquifying and flowing from my ears. That thing is a useless travesty. I'd definitely embrace a per-listing fee of L$10, like upload fees. Then you'd see some real quality on the list.

No I won't. It's buried under yard sales, Tringo, Slingo, Oingo Boingo, and Hawt Thawng contests.

300 of them, at last count.

i haven't bothered searching, because it broke in 1.6.x.

Wake me up when the Events List isn't a fucking throng of $L schemes.

Bring Back Bad Poetry Contests!

LF

ok. If I bring it back will you come? Cause I'm tellin ya -- its about to come back...

given that I don't know what the original was like, you'll have to forgive me if I don't copy the format exactly. But yeah, I have a place to hold it, I can dig up a prize or two, and I can put it on the events list.

Every other Thursday, Phoenix Spa Resort. Starts a week from yesterday.

Now off with me to get his approved <G>

My personal opinion:

An event is any sort of organized gathering. If it doesn't have a host/leader, and isn't a group activity of some sort - its not an event.

While I personally dislike Tringo because its overdone, and I've never once been to a Tringo event... I have to admit it does fit within my definition above as an event.

Now... if it was a Tringo "Kiosk" - that was there all the time, all automated with no host? That's not an event IMHO.

The categories that were implemented recently help a tiny, tiny, tiny bit. But its not a problem-solver. If we had a way to *filter out* specific kinds of events, possibly something ala google - I think the event calendar would be much more useful for everyone. Right now, about all we can do - is "Show me only this Category", or "Search for specific word". Not so useful for things like Games or Nightlife/Entertainment.

Note that just in this thread alone, you can see that there are varying perspectives on what the definition of an event is. Until some sort of universal definition of an event materializes (highly unlikely), I think any experiments into resident moderation of the event calender will be rife with drama and accusations.

Better filters, please.

We should just get rid of the whole events thing or have it HIGHLY monitored and needing approval like before.

It'd be funny to see how many clubs would fail that owe all their popularity to spamming the events list with titles like "~~FREE MONIES!!1~~" or "OMGBARE ALLASS NTITTIES!!", that sadly seems to well attract the majority of the grid population.

And Coco, Tringo isn't an event by the definition Flipper laid out of Event, that being a momentous and not likely to be seen again occasion. I would call the 1969 moon landing an event, but if it happened every week (or in Tringos case: 182 times a day) i'd be more likely to call it a routine.

One idea that was suggested before that was a good one was to make a seperate event listing, one event listing would be ACTUAL events, stuff that doesn't happen often and might not happen again, and the other one would be routine events, stuff that happens 300 times a day.

Lordfly, you just put in "Games and Contests."

Then you READ.

It really isn't that hard.

You read the whole list to see if there is a game or contest you don't know about. Like "Blood21" if you didn't know it existed.

Or that one that is like Yahtzee. I want to check that out sometime.

Or, if you know what you are looking for, you put in "Games and Contests" and then search for Bingo, or for Blood21, or whatever.

However, if you don't skim the whole list of "Games and Contests" once in a while, you will never know when a new game, like Blood21, comes along. You will lead a more limited life.

Then, when you find "Blood21" or whatever, you click on it and the page for it will tell you what it's about, enough to know if it intrigues you or not.

If you are interested in "Discussion" - which I always am - then you click on "Discussion." Usually there will be only 3-5 of these; sometimes more, sometimes less. It's VERY easy to find discussions you might be interested in.

I also always check the cultural and the charity categories.

Interestingly, there's never anything listed under "Pageants!" They would all much rather be considered "Nightlife," I think! haha

Listen, all of you who go on and on about hating the events list, why not just don't look at it? (And many of you say you already don't.)

Why do things like charge more for them? Why do you want to punish the people who like the events categories and depend on them to play their Second Lives?

Because those of us who actually like Bingo or Blood 21, or best boob contests or whatever are intolerably low-brow?

The categories addresses any concern of "quality" events getting lost in the lists, and any idiot can easily access those categories. The categories FIXED that problem.

The Events list is one of the BEST things SL has going for it. Getting rid of it (or penalizing it by fees) would be akin to getting rid of the Classifieds forum. It would curtail information, and make it harder for people to find the things they like.

And by the way, if those events were not popular, you wouldn't find them filled with AV's.

I like the garage sales ads, too. Any idiot knows these are buyer beware, and they are FUN to check out. Yet another thing for me to do when I'm bored and tired of working.

Why take all these things away? Why make them harder to find?

Because you think I shouldn't like Bingo and garage sales. Well, I don't like all the naked AV contests, and I'm even slightly offended by reading their names, too. But I wouldn't go so far as to take them away from the people who enjoy them just because they are too "lowbrow" for my tastes and I'd rather not have to ever see their names.

coco

P.S. Would agree with Travis's suggestion for a further tweak, so I could put "-boobs" in.

That would offer MORE options, see - not just throw the baby out with the bathwater or attempt to constrain people's freedom and individual ideas of a good time.

Yes, well, see, I don't LIKE Flipper's definition.

"Momentous and not likely to be seen again" wasn't even part of his definition. By that definition, things like "MST3000" wouldn't qualify.

Remember, it's not the same person having those 182 Tringo's a day. Objecting to that is tantamount to nothing more than objecting to the popularity of Tringo! Ergo, taking away the ability to publicize Tringo would piss off a YUGE amount of people! (Love ya, Torley!)

coco

Here's part of the problem:

I looked up the word event on wikipedia. Here's what it came up with:

An event is something that takes place; an occurrence and arbitrary point in time; A significant occurrence or happening; A social gathering or activity.

Wow... all of those seem to support and refute everyone's perspectives simultaneously.

Is any one of those 4 definitions above more right or more wrong than another? I don't think so.


So, those of you who are in the camp that an event is a significant occurrence or happening? You're right!

Those of you who say its simply a social gathering or activity, or something that takes place? Why, you're right too!.

I don't think there's a way to please everyone on this one, as long as people are creating exclusive definitions.

(For even more confusion, look up the definition of the word Event on google.)

who said it should anyways?

I say it should. Because I want to know when MST3000 is happening. I don't care if you don't want to know.

That is the whole point of an events calendar. List all the things that are going on so people can easily find them. No one is making anybody attend MST3000, and no one is making anybody attend "Best Tits and Ass," either.

What people seem to be trying to do is prevent other people from finding all of these things, by allowing them to all be listed. That is counter to the whole point of having the events calendar.

coco

I agree...the yard sale postings are out of control, and what really makes me mad is to go to one and find FREE items for sale. For example, avies and houses that are free at every telehub being sold for $L...come on!

I did see an old set of the olde england/peter pan avies for sale...they were free when that island was around...now that the island isn't around anymore and the avies aren't offered for free should people be able to sell them?

Maybe it's just me but it kinda bugs me when people sell items for more than they paid for them. I saw a fireplace made by a friend of mine..she charges $75 per fireplace, and the yard sale owner was selling it for $150. This is exactly the reason so many designers make their stuff no transfer! In RL you sell things for WAY less at yard sales then you paid for them.

I think yard sales should be taken off the event list and forced to have to take out a classified for them. That would certainly reduce how long they showed up!

I am an event.